How to "fall in love"

[Monkey]

(doug @ Nov. 01 2007,22:39) You know that if I got on here and started crowing that "So-n-So" was giving me freebies, some feckless git from here would approach her and say, "Hey, how come I gotta pay 2000 baht? You're giving Doug freebies, why not me too?"

I know exactly what you mean.

When I was in Pattaya (15 months) I was doing a GG on the side (had long term GF) from Sabai Land, in Samui (8 months) I had a GG and a FB and Phuket (9 months) I had a few GGs, all these were regular and FREE!

Guys were paying these girls up to 1,500THB ST and they all had sponsors as well, one girl would even have me run her down to Western Union to collect the money and then take me out on the piss and fuck me afterwards.

Happy days...

[doug]

(Looker @ Nov. 01 2007,23:13) Nah..I don't think so.
If all what you say it's true, and so I truly wish for you, I can only tell that this is a fruit of a very skillful and calculated action..
You don't fool me  
For sure, action alone may not be that effective if not backed by a mind that knows exactly what to do and expect...and can foresee any move that the girl is doing by taking advantage of it.
Well done doug!

With all honesty, nope, that's just not the case. I'm not calculating actions when I with these girls, shit just kinda happens.

Case in point, Dirty and Som invited me out last week for some drinks. We end up at one of the after hours bars and meet up with some more of their friends.

Of course, I have no shame, so I'm blatantly groping Som and Dirty (at one point, I was literally finger-fucking both of them from behind at the same time, in the middle of the bar. it was hilarious, and Dirty even favored the boys across from us by pulling up her skirt so they could have a look at my finger grinding in and out of her pussy).

At first the other girls were a bit shocked, but after a bottle and a half of whiskey, they all warmed up to the idea. So out of those six girls, by the end of the night, I'd groped, kissed, fondled, humped, grinded, and finger-fucked five of them (the sixth one wasn't interested, oh well).

To top it off, one of the girls had some friends in the bar who were celebrating another girl's birthday. She kept dragging girls from that table over to our table to give me lap-dances. I kid you not.

I'd be sitting there minding my own business when she'd bring a girl over, grind her ass into my lap for a bit to get me hard, and then move over, push the other girl into place and say something that was the Thai equivilent of "Have a go at it".

There's no amount of calculating action that could bring about that kind of situation. I was perfectly happy finger-fucking and getting lap-dances from my group of girls, and nothing I did or said would have suggested to this girl that I wanted to have another half-dozen girls grind my lap. She came up with that idea on her own, and I'm surely not going to complain! I'm just going to sit there, enjoy the whole experience and perhaps reach my hand under their blouses to cop a feel of some nice sets of natural tits.

The whole night was a blur, and Dirty and Som eventually went home with two different guys (oh well, I took a nice Chinese-looking girl from the birthday table back to a hotel, so I certainly didn't begrudge them their bit of fun).

By the way, in case anyone is thinking I'm tossing around big piles of cash to attract this much attention, my total cost out of pocket for the evening was 1000 baht on a round of Tequila.

The girls paid for their own bottles of whiskey and they treated me. Pretty much all I did to earn my drinks was sit on purse duty all night so the girls could run around the bar and flirt with every single guy in the place.

It was really funny, actually. They'd come back to our table, stuff a phone number or two in their purse, top off their drinks, make out with me for a bit, cop a feel of my dick or perhaps do a bit of dirty dancing with me or each other, and then take off around the bar again.

I admit I flirted heavily with the Chinese girl, but I don't think that amounts to "calculating action". At the end of the night, when everyone was saying their good-byes, I just grabbed her hand and dragged her out of the bar, hopped into a taxi and took her to a hotel. I didn't even ask her if she wanted to go, but she didn't object at all.

Oh, and just to keep you updated on the "experiment". I went over to Lolita's apartment to take her out on a date last week. But when I got there, she was wearing one of those ridiculously short skirts she likes so much. Being typically lazy, she hadn't washed any of the clothes I'd given her, so she only had her old outfits.

I realize that "Katie" is Lolita's ladyboy-mama, and therefore has a big influence on how she dresses and acts, but I didn't realize how bad it was until I rummaged through Katie's closet looking for something Lolita could borrow. ALL of Katie's outfits consist of ridiculously short skirts and slutty tops. Great outfits if you're a bar girl, but come on, does she seriously go to the market dressed like that??

Stymied by the complete lack of "normal clothing" in the apartment, I told Lolita, "I'm not going out with you in public if you're going to dress like you just walked out of a bar, period."

And I left.

Hopefully, she'll get her act together and do a bit of laundry before I see her again, but if not, oh well, I'm sure the 30-guys-a-week she'd see in Nana absolutely LOVE that style, so they're more than welcome to it.

I like women, I like ladyboys, and I like femboys, but I do not like flaming gay queens who just happen to dress in skirts. Unfortunately, that's Katie in a nutshell (and unfortunately, that's also most of the Guess bar staff in a nutshell), and since Lolita is modelling herself on Katie, she's developing a lot of those catty, trampy, overly-flamboyant mannerisms that are a complete turn-off for me (but I'll admit that a lot of guys LOVE that stuff, so I'm not saying it's necessarily a bad thing, but to each his own, right?).

So again, I don't think that's "calculating action" on my part. I'm not cancelling the date in vain hope to "train" the girl or in some calculating plan to mold her into my kind of ladyboy. I'm just a bit inflexible when it comes to my standards and if a girl doesn't want to meet them, no problem, up to her, but then I've also got better things to do with my time.

For me, part of being a "passable" ladyboy is dressing down and acting like a woman, not just looking like one. For example, many of the girls in Guess Bar are very feminine and passable in appearance, but when they start prancing around like catwalk models, I just look the other way.

I like Lolita because she's practically a twin of her sister in appearance, but if she keeps on picking up Flaming Queen habits from Katie, I'm going to have to move on. I simply cannot walk into a nice restaurant with a girl who looks like she's just been short-timed from Nana Plaza. Call me a shallow git, if you must, but I really DO want the girl on my arm to make ME look good.

IMHO, hot, passable ladyboys make most girls look plain and uninteresting. But also IMHO, flaming queens in dresses substitute REAL displays of feminine beauty with flamboyant theatrics that are embarassing to everyone in the room, especially the poor old fool sitting next to them.

[stogie bear]

You da man!

[Looker]

(doug @ Nov. 04 2007,18:54) So again, I don't think that's "calculating action" on my part.  

You must have liked the "calculating action" thing!!
Going to write that in the book??
I want my rights duly paid then

Oh..btw..never believing in coincidence.
Spies' rule No.1

[divertwo]

(doug @ Nov. 04 2007,01:54) [For me, part of being a "passable" ladyboy is dressing down and acting like a woman, not just looking like one. many of the girls in Guess Bar are very feminine and passable in appearance, but when they start prancing around like catwalk models

I simply cannot walk into a nice restaurant with a girl who looks like she's just been short-timed from Nana Plaza. Call me a shallow git, if you must, but I really DO want the girl

But also IMHO, flaming queens in dresses substitute REAL displays of feminine beauty with flamboyant theatrics that are embarassing to everyone in the room, especially the poor old fool sitting next to them.

...I couldn't have voiced my feelings any better..........

[doug]

(divertwo @ Nov. 07 2007,05:41) ...I couldn't have voiced my feelings any better..........  

Yeah, I'm hoping that Katie and Lolita have a falling out soon, because the longer she stays with Katie, the more bar-queen habits she picks up.

Today I went shopping and bought her some more clothes. Got her some nice long skirts and cute blouses, and the difference is amazing.

If she wears the short-short cut-offs, she practically screams "ladyboy bargirl", but when she puts on "girl clothes", she looks like a nice, normal Thai girl. It makes a world of difference and she'd totally pass anywhere.

I also noticed a real change in attitude when she dressed a bit more conservatively, she also acted a bit more like a "girl" too.

[maycduk]

(doug @ Nov. 01 2007,22:33)

 I mean, you could just walk into a bar, point at a girl, barfine her and walk right back out again (try it some time, it's funny).[/quote]
Doug,

Respect. Your experience makes for interesting reading.

As for picking up girls at Nana, i thought everyone just go there and pick a girl with not too much impressing needed. Sure, there will be a few who would try to impress the ladies with $100 bills, but i don't imagine there will be many. Or am i mistaken?

[doug]

(maycduk @ Nov. 09 2007,08:53) As for picking up girls at Nana, i thought everyone just go there and pick a girl with not too much impressing needed. Sure, there will be a few who would try to impress the ladies with $100 bills, but i don't imagine there will be many. Or am i mistaken?

True, but I was talking about go-go bars and strip clubs in general, both here and back home.

How many guys go into these places and drop their whole paychecks trying to be a mac'daddy playa?

We've all done it before, probably (at least I have, haha).

Bars make a shitload of money off guys who feel they need to impress a girl a bit before taking her home. Otherwise, why would they (back home) sell those bottles of champagne (aka sparkling grape soda) by the case when Bud Lite is on the menu?

[doug]

OK, certain parts of the "plan" may not be fully implemented yet (still looking for a decent Fuck Flat), but other aspects are already paying dividends.

For example, Lolita's getting a bit jealous (I think she's starting to like me, hahah). She's getting a bit pouty whenever we hang out at her sister's apartment and just recently, she called a few numbers back on my phone.

So right there, that proves the benefits of having a second phone!!!

Can you imagine a jealous ladyboy calling one of your business associates, customers, or friends (or if you're a teacher, a parent or student)?? That would totally suck!

Fortunately, I gave Lolita a different name than the one I use when I'm out trolling the discos, so when she called back the numbers, the girls who answered were like: "Sam? Who's Sam??"

Hahah, smarter than the average bear, eh?

Lolita, of course, gave them my description, but fortunately the girls she called were pretty saavy and were wise to what she was up to. They probably gave her some unhelpful answers, because when she conforted me about it, it was pretty clear she was just grasping at straws. I told her to knock it off, that she's not my girlfriend and so she should stop acting like one.

Lily, on the other hand, seems to be taking it all in stride. After all, she's got a boyfriend already and she's cheating on him, so she really doesn't care what I do when she's not around. But Lolita's starting to get a bit possessive and she doesn't like leaving me alone with her sister. I keep telling her that her sister doesn't even really like me (it's just kinky sex for her), but you know how Thais can be sometimes. What they assume to be real is often more important than what actually is real.

Case in point:

The other night, Lolita and I stayed over at Lily's apartment. We'd all gone out to eat together and it was easier to just crash at her place than make our way back across town.

So Lily's in her bedroom and Lolita and I are uncomfortably crashed on the couch, but around 3 or 4am, I wake up and start bump'n and grind'n Lolita until she wakes up. Shorts go down, condom goes on, and pretty soon we're shagging like crazy. Now, of course, I know Lily's in the other room, so that adds a bit to the situation, and I'm giving it to Lolita with a bit more zest than usual (OK, I admit, I was kind of hoping Lily would hear me fucking her brother in the ass, yes, I'm a perv like that).

After a few minutes of VERY hard action, I was pretty sure I heard the door creak open a bit behind me, and so I went into overdrive, knowing that Lily was probably peeking out the door to watch me drive my cock into her brother's ass. I even made sure to angle Lolita just right so everything would be visible if someone were watching from the bedroom. Also, Lolita normally doesn't like blowjobs (and she never tops), because she's been on hormones forever and doesn't get 100% hard (her only flaw ). But I just couldn't resist the idea of blowing her while being watched, so I gave her a nice sloppy blowjob at juuust the right angle . Then again, maybe it was just wishful thinking on my part, but just the idea of being watched by her sister certainly gave me a charge.

Needless to say, when we all got up for breakfast the next morning, there was a pretty obvious charge between me and Lily. Even if she hadn't been watching, it was pretty clear what Lolita and I had been doing on her couch (the room smelled of cum and she had woke up before I cleaned the condoms up off the floor). Thing is, Lolita wasn't having any of it. She wouldn't leave the two of us alone for a minute because she KNEW we'd make arrangements to hook up the minute she was out of earshot.

Finally, I made ready to leave, gave Lolita a hug and said, "I'm thirsty, I think I'll stop off at 7-11 downstairs", but I mouthed "(in one hour)" to Lily whn Lolita wasn't looking.

Downstairs, I waited at 7 until Lily showed up, but with no place to go and limited time, we only managed a bit of a grope session in the stairwell of her apartment. Lucky we cut it short too, because not two seconds after Lily walked out of the stairwell (I stayed behind to let my hard-on die down a bit before walking around in public, hahah), I heard Lolita's voice. She'd come down to "get something", but it was pretty clear from her tone of voice that she'd expected to find me down there.

So there you have it. Lolita's acting all jealous just because she thinks I'm having sex with 6 or 7 other girls (including her sister). She's right, of course, but what she mistakenly assumes is that: a ) I'm serious about one of those girls and b ) that she's got some say in what I do or don't do.

Now, of course, I needlessly complicated the whole scenario by messing around with her sister, but if you saw Lily, you'd do the same, I'm sure. But regardless this all goes to prove that some precautions are a good idea when messing around like this.

Lolita might eventually snap and throw a bit hissy fit over the whole situation, but what's the worst she can do? Delete the phone numbers out of my phone? (mostly one-night stands, so like I'd care). Throw my phone away? (it cost me 1000 baht, so like I'd care). Call a bunch of girls I barely know? (Like they'd care).

Whatever it is, the one thing she CAN'T do is mess with my real life, real girlfriend, real friends, or real apartment. She's safely walled off from that, and so even if she does pop, the worst it'll mean for me is that I'll be cut out of my perverted Lily/Lolita triangle. Oh well, it'll have to end eventually, right?

That actually gives me some piece of mind, and helps me not to stress out too much when she does things like call back numbers on my phone. If that was my real phone, I'd be freaking out, but since it was just a bunch of holla'back girls, who cares? I didn't even get mad about it or anything. That really helped the situation, because instead of having a big fight, we had a nice little chat. Of course, I know she didn't really pay attention to anything I said, but in the end she wasn't mad about it anymore either. I don't think I could have managed that if I was stressed out and freaking about who she might have caused and what kind of damage she might have done.



Oh, one last thing. I know it's a big "gift", but I think I'm going to totally have to get Lolita a set of tits. Femboy fans will recoil in horror at that, but judging by what Lily looks (and feels) like with her tits, it'll totally be worth it. I'm totally doing it for my entertainment, so I don't really consider it a gift for her (since I'm going to enjoy them WAY more than she does, hahah). Besides, with a nice proportional set of tits, she'll totally pass. I mean, she'll practically be a Laos-looking version of Nong Poy. Seriously, she'll be that hot.

[buttafly]

I haven't read this thread at all..... 4 pages of falling in love and buying things for ladyboys would just make me violently ill so I will skip the flowery poetry and just suggest that everyone gets directed to the Life & Living in Thailand forum, and a new thread called The Ugly Part.

https://theladyboyforums.com/cgi-bin....t=12205

THAT is what happens when you try to bring "love" or anything like it into relationships with hookers or Thai's in general.

 Every single time, and without exception.....why don't people understand this?    

[buttafly]

(doug @ Nov. 09 2007,23:32) I think I'm going to totally have to get Lolita a set of tits....she'll practically be a Laos-looking version of Nong Poy.

Jaizus..... I just can't take this anymore

     I have no idea who the fuck Nong Poy is and I don't care, but in 6 months maximum this person won't even know YOUR fucking name so why would you blow 50,000 baht on those things??   so some other clown can be feeling 'em up while you're jacking off to her photo's and crying into your beer?

 See my signature, my little girl in the slums could live for a year on that kind of cash; send it to me and let the femboy stay the way she is for Crissakes.  I gotta go to bed now, as usual reading shit from stoopid falangs makes me exhausted and grumpy.

[Stewart]

Best thread ever on the forum....absolute magic!

[Guest]

(Stewart @ Nov. 10 2007,14:52) Best thread ever on the forum....absolute magic!  

Yes I enjoy I good fiction now and again.

[Stewart]

(ozzie @ Nov. 10 2007,12:55)

(Stewart @ Nov. 10 2007,14:52) Best thread ever on the forum....absolute magic!  

Yes I enjoy I good fiction now and again.

I didn't say it was true....just the best thread ever!

I guess the truth is in there somewhere, but the writing exaggerates the impact. Absolutely brilliant!

[Guest]

The funniest part is a stupid falang calling other falangs stupid. The request for money for the poor though, is very touching. Tears come to my eyes. I may even donate.

As for slavery and a manipulative twisting of young girls minds, it's a good thread. Can you think of a better reason whey Thai people think of us as disgusting? It is perfectly embodied in this thread.