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  • Should the forum play a part...

    Well, SamplerDocs thread has become a billboard for the 'law' and how it affects us when we travel to Thailand, especially Bangkok and Pattaya.

    Do YOU know what the law is and do you know what will happen to you when you get caught on the wrong side of it?

    Maybe you do and maybe you don't and maybe you just don't care.

    It's been suggested that this forum isn't doing enough to (try to) make sure that some of the more popular bars are doing enough to make sure we don't get into trouble. The issue is mainly about going with girls and ladyboys who aren't yet 18.

    It's also been suggested that bars that don't follow the laws that will protect us should be sanctioned on the forum so that they will (if they want to post here) make an effort to attract our custom with more honest means.

    Some members argue that this is the way Pattaya is and you should do your own homework to avoid possible trouble and that the responsibility lies with the buyer, not the seller.

    It's a controversial issue and I hope I've presented this poll in a balanced and fairminded way...

    The choices are...

    Stay out of it... You'll live longer.

    Basically it's my neck on the chopping block and I know all the bar owners. So when the hammer falls it falls on me and noone else. So I'm obviously reluctant to make unenforcable demands that are gonna get me ostracised from this country/bar scene (or even worse!)

    It's not the jurisdiction of the forum.

    Do you feel that the forum does have a role to play when it comes to badgering the bars to operate within the law? Do you think that if we DO take a stand that the bars that we 'name and shame' will actually change the way they do business?

    Stick to presenting the facts.

    Are we doing enough already without the need for more heavy handed involvement. The forum is already open to people who can voice their opinions and experiences. Is this enough to educate our members so they avoid the traps?

    Take a more active role with the bars.

    Maybe we could take a more positive role with the bars and ask them nicely to do their best to make sure we avoid risky situations. Not as silly as it sounds as more and more bars use 'niche marketing' like this forum to sell their products.

    Take responsibility for the members and do something!

    Have we been letting you down by not doing enough? Do you think that we (me, mainly) are too heavily in favour of the bars and are turning a blind eye to somethings?

    Should we get tough and start deleting threads which bar owners are posting to advertise their special nights and new girls, etc? Will this just piss them off or make them rethink about the way they take us for granted?

    I'm not sure. Erm... well!

    Well... if you have any thoughts and ideas then please post them. I'll wait for a few to appear before I add my own thoughts.
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    We should get organized, and then be deputized, then we can wear cool matching black polo shirts and march up and down Walking Street all night with a grimace on our face....and if we ask nicely maybe we can get whistles too !
    "Snick, You Sperm Too Much" - Anon

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    • #3
      This forum probably can only influence Farang owned lb bars - it won't have much, if any impact on the Thai owned/managed bars like Obsessions, KC3, Cascades, Casanova, Temptations.

      Certainly underage workers are a danger to the punter. Having information about how to check IDs and which bars are known to have underage workers will help reduce the risk.

      Information reported on the forum does influence some of the Farang bar owners in Pattaya for the better, and perhaps that is what the best result can be at this time.

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      • #4
        personally i like the younger LEGALLLY younger ones, but i dont ever want trouble with underage. so i appreciate a warning here time to time.

        but dont mess with the bars... looking out for ourselves is enough...

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        • #5
          Who said this hobby was safe anyway. Its not 100% risk free . There is some chance that you may be banged up or get aids or some shit whatever precautions u take. Anyway I would keep well away from involvement in issues that the bars have got and just read the forum for the lowdown...

          Pattaya is a sex city and you just have to face all shit that comes with it...Anyway if they look to young they are to young...move on to the next one....

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          • #6
            (Snick @ Aug. 14 2007,17:39) and if we ask nicely maybe we can get whistles too !
            I want a whistle...can I get a faggy purple one like this ? ? ?

            Seriously...we are ultimately only responsible for ourselves...

            If it's a confirmed underage siting, by all means blow the whistle and allow each of us to make our own decisions...

            And maybe, those bars who advertise here regularly will take notice and try and clean up their acts...
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            "It's not Gay if you beat them up afterwards."  --- Anon

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            • #7
              And after underage, should the site investigate bribes to police, and do they follow hygiene laws, and are all permits up to date?

              And, of course, as sex tourists who dominate their vacations with illegal prostitutes, often drunk, abusing the intent of visa durations through visa runs, avoiding paying Thai tax even though they are residents, bypassing banned ICT Ministry web-sites, purchasing illegal viagra (and other drugs), viewing illegal pornography, purchasing illegal copied CDs, DVDs, ..., members on this site are far superior and law abiding than a bar owner who has an underage girl in from time to time.

              As a bar owner, I'd kick anyone from the site out permanently who kept a holier than though attitude like that, or direct my paid police on them to investigate their holiness.

              Can you tell I think it's a bad idea?

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              • #8
                I think we should just stick to presenting the facts ...
                And of the day who the hell are we to tell anyone what to do..
                We'll tell the BMs whats out there best we can and they can make there own minds up...
                So many Ladyboys so little time..

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                • #9
                  Can you tell I think it's a bad idea?
                  Well - occasionally we see eye to eye, eh! From what someone was saying on another thread I was beginning to have doubts about whether we were headed on the right path, but billy69 summed it up for me...

                  We'll tell the BMs what's out there best we can and they can make there own minds up...
                  For now we'll stick to what we do best and just post opinions and present the information as it happens.

                  I'm sorry for those who think it's not enough, but I'm not putting my neck on the line for people who can't be arsed to take reasonable precautions to protect themselves.

                  Pattaya is a sex city and you just have to face all shit that comes with it...
                  Another good point. If we don't like it - we don't have to go. It's a crazy dangerous city and part of the danger is that there are too many underaged girls who'll do anything to screw us out of our money.

                  If you live in Pattaya I'd be more inclined to listen - but if you're just a visitor who goes there to fuck and expects someone else to clean up the place then you're mistaken if you think it's gonna be the people who enjoy being on this forum.

                  It's interesting to me that the few who want us to get involved and take a more active role haven't posted any comments and haven't presented ideas that may endorse their votes.

                  But in the end it doesn't matter - if there's something about a bar/hotel/restaurant/ladyboy you don't like you don't have to return.

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                  • #10
                    I think we should stick to presenting the facts.

                    I don't believe its our role to change the way things operate.

                    We should ensure our board members are informed of the potential risks, and then offer advice in order to minimise these risks.

                    Cheers
                    Koykaeng
                    Ladyboys need to learn...... Listerine is not a beverage !

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                    • #11
                      (Snick @ Aug. 14 2007,17:39) We should get organized, and then be deputized, then we can wear cool matching black polo shirts and march up and down Walking Street all night with a grimace on our face....and if we ask nicely maybe we can get whistles too !
                      Perhaps we could get a discount as well!

                      but seriously stick to the facts as best that can be obtained, yes we take risks but lets not take horrific risks, lifes too dear, think of the fun you are going to miss out on?

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                      • #12
                        Stick to presenting the facts. They speak for themselves.

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                        • #13
                          It SHOULD but can it really do so?

                          The opinion of some foreigners has unfortunately very few to do with how bars are run in Bangkok and thailand (I think - personal opinion)

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                          • #14
                            This poll is clearly driven by the discussion Stogie and I had in another thread.

                            I have think that forums like this are in a position to influence the bar owners to try and reduce the possibility and underage is in their bar. I never once mentioned that they should become so invilved as to risk themselves all I said was that if the bar owners wish to advertise themselves on here then they should provide clear information as to their policy on underage girls and how they handle the situation and forum members should have to the ability to out the bars that obviously have underage girls inside their bar. This has nothing to do withy freelancers who loiter outside.

                            I still do not understand why a mamsan cannot check on id of a girl who is not on salary and wanders into a bar? This would only have to happen once. Shit how hard can it be!

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                            • #15
                              Bloody hell. Is this so hard to understand? Surely you guys understand this. Many guys LIKE underage girls. That is why mamasans and owners hire them on purpose. It is no accident. I know this for a fact as I know at least 3 mamasan and owners whom I don't want to mention who confirmed "yes, I know she and she are 16 and 17, and we hire them, because many men like those young girls, come here for them, and pay a lot". For Christ's sake, what do you think Pattaya's Sunee Plaza is about, with all it's very underaged gay boys. It's about ... MONEY ... surprised?

                              That is why it is ridiculous to say we should aim at the bar owners. WE are the problem, or at least some of us are. It's like the US pointing at Colombia as a drug source problem when most of the drugs are destined for paying users in the US. Do I need to point at all the members who take the 'just turned 18' femboys out? Like it's so wildly ok 1 month after 18, and not ok 1 month before. Clearly those members WANT young, and perhaps even desire underage partners, it is just jail they are scared of, not the morality of it all.

                              This problem will stop when clients stop wanting underage girls ... like when hell freezes over.

                              Sorry to be so blunt on this, but this had to be said. We are by no means the moral squad here.

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