throwing your money around

[stogie bear]

I got a chuckle out of the loser who hangs out at Nana hoping for a freebie 'cos he's young and good looking!

Does he seriously think that a ladyboy who has been pole dancing for the last 10 hours is seriously gonna be in the mood to give it away? What a twat!

And if she says that she wants to bone him for free I wonder if the sap has any alarm bells chiming in his empty head!

[donnnnnny]

MONEY NUMBER ONE THERE IS A FUK WIT born every minute
stogie bear why you up so late
you bad man i know)MLTMT

[Groundhog]

(stogie bear @ Oct. 30 2006,05:25) I got a chuckle out of the loser who hangs out at Nana hoping for a freebie 'cos he's young and good looking!

Does he seriously think that a ladyboy who has been pole dancing for the last 10 hours is seriously gonna be in the mood to give it away? What a twat!

And if she says that she wants to bone him for free I wonder if the sap has any alarm bells chiming in his empty head!

Atta boy Stogie ... I've always said:

Rich old boy > young and poor

and the ladyboys know it

[Guest]

again, it all goes back to what I was saying in that long-ass manifesto from thursday; in this gig I have read letters from over a thousand guys and read thousands of threads here also. I have met face-to-face with the dreamers, the charmers, the cool talkers and the good-looking men [funny how THEY are the only ones who state these opinions of themselves], and so many others and the story is always the same........

"It's the OTHER guys who are saps and being played, not me! These girls like me for me, really!! It's because I am handsome and can talk cool and they like my body and my big cock, not because I have any cash, hell I don't even spend much on 'em or refuse to pay hookers at all and yet they STILL want me"!


Yawwwwnnnn.... heard that, seen that...... hundreds of times...... it's all total bullshit, because as I say 100% of ladyboys have an ulterior motive and every single westerner, starting with me if that will make you all feel better, are being used. Admit that and travel in Thailand becomes more fun, trust me.

Damn, the Truth sucks sometimes, huh?

[donnnnnny]

(JaiDee @ Oct. 30 2006,07:39) again, it all goes back to what I was saying in that long-ass manifesto from thursday; in this gig I have read letters from over a thousand guys and read thousands of threads here also.  I have met face-to-face with the dreamers, the charmers, the cool talkers and the good-looking men [funny how THEY are the only ones who state these opinions of themselves], and so many others and the story is always the same........

         "It's the OTHER guys who are saps and being played, not me! These girls like me for me, really!! It's because I am handsome and can talk cool and they like my body and my big cock, not because I have any cash, hell I don't even spend much on 'em  or refuse to pay hookers at all and yet they STILL  want me"!


  Yawwwwnnnn.... heard that, seen that...... hundreds of times...... it's all total bullshit, because as I say 100% of ladyboys have an ulterior motive and every single westerner, starting with me if that will make you all feel better, are being used. Admit that and travel in Thailand becomes more fun, trust me.

     Damn, the Truth sucks sometimes, huh?

Perfectly put mr dee.
but as stated before this is not about guys who dont pay etc this is about how much you pay. There are thousands of fresh of the boat "handsum big cocks" who soon find out what thailand is all about(money). lol i see em everytime i go over there.the classic is " i never pay for the girls" they all like me because im handsum and young.I too was handsum and young but made damm sure i allways payed every girl. why because i dont want to bve obligated to her afterwards.always was a butterfly, cant be a butterfly if you get it for free. \
cheeers donnnnnny

[stogie bear]

cant be a butterfly if you get it for free...

Wise words...

[Guest]

Sorry, I would like to clarify - I am not anti-American and offer the same critisim to any nation or individual who acts in this way.

Can someone please tell me why there is a need to "splash" and "throw your money around"?

Do you give the girl in MacDonalds a 1,000 baht tip when you buy your big Mac?

I'm fascinated why you feel a need to spend more than the market rate.  

Now for clarity I am happy to pay for the service, I'm happy to pay for the barfine and i'm happy to give the girl a tip for taxi.   But not happy to pay WAY over the odds for no apparent reason.... or because some selfish guys decided to up the price by paying ridiculous money just because the exchange rate benefits them

Please explain your logic to me.  Because the girls themselves have told me they just laugh at the guys who don't understand how to control their own money !!!   "STUPID FALANG"  I noted some posts said they would know if the girls called them that..... oh... poor delusional fool... I feel very sorry for you !! same goes for the guy that thinks he can get it for free because he's a hansom man..... poor fool.

And YES... I am passionate about this because it directly impacts my money.  

It's interesting that those who are splashing the money around don't do so in their own country... I think there is a message there !!!

[Guest]

(Brit @ Oct. 30 2006,20:47) Can someone please tell me why there is a need to "splash" and "throw your money around"?

Do you give the girl in MacDonalds a 1,000 baht tip when you buy your big Mac?

I'm facinated why you feel a need to spend more than the market rate.  

Now for clarity I am happy to pay for the service, I'm happy to pay for the barfine and i'm happy to give the girl a tip for taxi.   But not happy to pay WAY over the odds for no aparent reason.

Please explain your logic to me.  Because the girls themselves have told me they just laugh at the guys who don't understand how to control their own money !!!

You have no idea do you

The difference is one is for a service for which the price is open to negotation and the other is basically a fixed price for a known item. BTW who said they pay over the market rate? What is the market rate according you?

I splash my money around not because I am trying to impress anyone only because it makes MY trip more enjoyable to ME. I hate worrying about how much I am spending and would not bother going if I had to penny pinch on everything especially the girls.

I find it interesting that a few of the guys on this forum who have a fair bit of respect here because of their knowledge of the pay for play scene and time spent around ladyboys particularly in Thailand agree with that I am saying but you seem to dismiss it as rubbish and all the girls are laughing at us. More likely when they are walking out of your hotel room the are mumbling to themselves

ขี้เหนียว

[Guest]

well....

to be honest, i have been with (at least 2 i can remember) ladyboys who have laughed about customers that pay them lots and called them stupid.

infer what you will, but it's true, at least some of them do.

they are using us. but you shouldnt really think of it like that ( i think) . you have to remember, we're using them too. its not like most of us plan to take up comitted relationships with them. we just wanna have some fun and blow a few loads in em. ( i guess...)

basically, you shouldnt care too much about what they think, if you pay them shit loads of money and they make you feel good, just forget about the cheaper prices or freebies they might give some other guy. you went shopping and did your bargaining, and thats the price and service the sales lady gave you.

[Guest]

(donnnnnny @ Oct. 30 2006,12:16) cant be a butterfly if you get it for free. \

why not?
then its just like any girl you're fucking. you just lie to them. even easier with a prostitute i think.

[stogie bear]

I'm fascinated why you feel a need to spend more than the market rate...

I have a watch that cost me quite a lot of money. I could have bought one for two bucks, but I like this one better. Funny though, because they both do the same thing... tell the time!

But not happy to pay WAY over the odds for no apparent reason....

Well, I think we all agree with that don't we? The thing is your expectations may not be the same as mine. Nothing wrong with this, just different.

For example... Some people may only be expecting the physical act of fucking and others may want someone to be affectionate to throughout the course of the night.

If I want a blow job I'll pay the 500 Baht going rate. If I want a whole evenings entertainment and mind blowing sex on top of a really nice GFE then I'll have to pay more, but I'll still get the blow job I might have paid 500 Baht for!

Fighting over a few bucks actually ruins the experience for ME, the same as buying the cheap seats in the movies ruins it. I want the one that gives you a blanket and waiter service because then I enjoy the movie more.

Another thing that you don't seem to get... When I get great service from a waiter I overtip them because it makes their day. They won't remember me the next day of course but for that moment they'll realise that they did everything right and got rewarded extra for it.

The same goes with the girls and ladyboys I abduct. The last lb I had was the best ever so I made sure she knew iit in the ONLY WAY that she would understand - WITH MONEY!

Because the girls themselves have told me they just laugh at the guys who don't understand how to control their own money !!!  

It's highly unlikely that any working girl is going to share these kind of anecdotes with you or any farang, so I don't believe you. Especially one who seems to be careful with his money and distant with the girls...

Mind you they are adept at telling us what we want to hear!

I DO believe that they talk amongst themselves about the mugs and fools though. (I've been here a long time and have spoken to and had relationships with every single type of ladyboy imaginable and it's only one or two dimwitted or mean spirited individuals who would be proud of airing humiliating stories about farangs to another farang!

And YES... I am passionate about this because it directly impacts my money.  

 Erm, just exactly HOW? I suggest that if you are this concerned about how you spend your money, you get a room on Khao San Road and a copy of Playboy. The Japs who get ripped off don't affect your 500 Baht knee trembles, mate. As many people who post here can testify - you can shop around for bargains but this IS A BUYERS MARKET!

Maybe you should practice your haggling skills because it sounds to me that when you go shopping for sex it's an experience not too disimilar to buying a carpet from a tourist market!

Finally - haggling over $10 or $20 bucks is really rather sad, at least for me. But perhaps if I did it two or three times a day over a two week vacation I might think differently.

(Great thread this and it's good to hear other peoples different points of view, even if I don't agree.)

[jaime24]

have to say i pretty much agree with what your saying Stogie, its what sort of experience your after & want to recieve, you will always get some people who will pay more & some that will try to pay less, at the end of the day itswahat makes you feel ok with i guess,

[stogie bear]

to be honest, i have been with (at least 2 i can remember) ladyboys who have laughed about customers that pay them lots and called them stupid.

They say what you want to hear. These aren't real conversations. The same girl that shares an intimate moment with you about how a stupid trick overpays will complain to the overpayer about the ones that don't "pay them lots!".

If you are old then the girls say "I like older man." If you are young they'll say "I like younger man!"

If you are fat they'll say things to you that'll make you stay away from 'low fat' yoghurt for life! Thais are very affectionate in a superficial way.

I'll bet you (or anyone) has never had a bargirl who said "You know what - that poor Jap guy last night offered me too much so I insisted that he only give me the market rate, bless his heart!" Or "Well, you are a bit older and fatter than I personally prefer but I suppose you'll do!"

So many people get into trouble in this country because they believe what they hear! Lots of love and sex starved people with no experience of pretty girls get hypnotised into thinking that they are somehow worth more than they really are.

I am a fat bald man approaching 50! No 19 year old girl working in a bar is actually gonna feel physically drawn to me without the promise of money at the end of it. Would these girls really notice you as a stud in your own country?

'Pay for play' in Thailand is a game of charades. Stay in character and you'll be fine. If you think the game is real - you're fucked.

Know your limitations and think with your head and put your heart in the night safe when you go out! (Better still - check it in with customs when you fly in!)

[tropical]

Hey Brit,
How about you furnish us all with the only acceptable market rate on all things in thailand according to your vast intellect and knowledge of economics ranging from Mcdonalds burgers and of course the  P4P scene.
 I couldnt care less what you pay anyone for anything,but I will pay whatever I feel like and with absolutely no regard to your fucking well being.
 Actually I think the next trip the girls will all receive a 1000 bt tip on top of their above market rates just to keep you out of the country.
 Why would I do this ,I imagine you must be thinking all sorts of nasty things,but in truth its because i can,I obviously earn a lot more money than you, and dont have to spend my holidays counting the pennies to make it last.

Because the girls themselves have told me they just laugh at the guys who don't understand how to control their own money !!!

This comment has as much substance as your worldly knowledge of market rates in a country you struggle to visit on a vastly superior exchange rate.
  Maybe you should take up delivering newspapers before school and earn some more pennies for your next trip.

[stogie bear]

" Here you go love... 3,500 Baht as agreed... {hmmm...}

Oh, hang on a sec... I got some friends coming over in a month and I don't want to fuck up the going rate for them - gives us back 1,000 and we'll call it a deal, eh?"