Sarah Palin for President

[Jake_Sully]

(reflections @ Nov. 20 2010,08:56) come on guys you are all too liberal to understand how great she is. you dont have to be a rocket scientist to be a good president. Look at President Reagen the greatest American President since Abe Lincoln.

*snip snip hate*

I would take her in the white house any day of the week over one of your Democrat liberal "scholars"

Was gonna let this pass but let me give you a taste of your own medicine before I put you on ignore as well.


My favorite president was Eisenhower - a Republican. Want to know why?

- He taxed everyone making over $200,000 90% and gave tax breaks to the middle class. The middle class flourished and the "american dream" of the middle class hard working family with a car, house with a picket fence and 2.3 kids was born.
- He used the money from taxes on infrastructure. Infrastructure like interstate highways we still use today except it is killing us because we send our hard earned dollars to the middle east for oil. I guess your solution is Drill baby Drill rather than research into alternative fuel like solar or wind energy or high speed bullet trains which you deem too liberal.
- He despite being a republican was not a neo con. He knew when to call it quits in Korea.

Best President since Abe Lincoln is Reagan? LOL.

-In contrast to your own stop spending philosophy, he ran a deficit that grew larger and larger, stuff that your grand children will have to repay LOL.
-In contrast to your anti-immigration sentiment, he gave amnesty.


Suffice to say, if Ronald Reagan were alive and running for president today, you'd call him a RINO and crucify him. Oh and what happened to FDR? You'd be speaking Japanese and German today if it wasn't for him.

K thx bye!

[Steff]

Well said Jake!!!

[BAM]

[BAM]

[deepthroat]

Here's a quick review of some of Sarah Palin's more incisive comments and statements over the past few years. The idea that she's "learned from her mistakes" is ridiculous. How could someone who's the Vice Presidential nominee be so lazy, so intellectually stilted, when faced with such an immense opportunity? The idea seems to be that now that she learned that she'd be expected to "know" a few things about our government, it's structure, our laws, our international relationships, and silly little details like the names of a few magazines or newspapers, we're supposed to now think that she'd be willing to spend a few months "boning up" on politics, government, law, world affairs, and the like, when she couldn't be bothered to learn any of that WHEN RUNNING FOR VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES? Sorry - that's not one that you get a second chance for. This wasn't like taking your Drivers License Test. You don't get a do-over. If you couldn't gear up for something so momentous as that, why should anyone in their right minds think she'd do differently in the future? Sheesh.

With that said, here are some of the more mind-blowing Palinisms, collected from the internet news services:

1. "As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where€“ where do they go? It's Alaska. It's just right over the border." --Sarah Palin, explaining why Alaska's proximity to Russia gives her foreign policy experience, interview with CBS's Katie Couric, Sept. 24, 2008 (Watch video clip)

2. "The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's 'death panel' so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their 'level of productivity in society,' whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil." €“-Sarah Palin, in a message posted on Facebook about Obama's health care plan, Aug. 7, 2009

3. "All of 'em, any of 'em that have been in front of me over all these years." --Sarah Palin, unable to name a single newspaper or magazine she reads, interview with Katie Couric, CBS News, Oct. 1, 2008 (Watch video clip)

4. "Well, let's see. There's ― of course in the great history of America there have been rulings that there's never going to be absolute consensus by every American, and there are those issues, again, like Roe v. Wade, where I believe are best held on a state level and addressed there. So, you know, going through the history of America, there would be others but ―" --Sarah Palin, unable to name a Supreme Court decision she disagreed with other than Roe vs. Wade, interview with Katie Couric, CBS News, Oct. 1, 2008 (Watch video clip)

5. "'Refudiate,' 'misunderestimate,' 'wee-wee'd up.' English is a living language. Shakespeare liked to coin new words too. Got to celebrate it!'" --a Tweet sent by Sarah Palin in response to being ridicule for inventing the word "refudiate," proudly mistaking her illiteracy for literary genius, July 18, 2010

6. "We believe that the best of America is not all in Washington, D.C. ... We believe that the best of America is in these small towns that we get to visit, and in these wonderful little pockets of what I call the real America, being here with all of you hard working very patriotic, um, very, um, pro-America areas of this great nation." --Sarah Palin, speaking at a fundraiser in Greensoboro, N.C., Oct. 16, 2008

7. "[T]hey're in charge of the U.S. Senate so if they want to they can really get in there with the senators and make a lot of good policy changes that will make life better for Brandon and his family and his classroom." --Sarah Palin, getting the vice president's constitutional role wrong after being asked by a third grader what the vice president does, interview with NBC affiliate KUSA in Colorado, Oct. 21, 2008 (Watch video clip)

8. "We used to hustle over the border for health care we received in Canada. And I think now, isn't that ironic?" --Sarah Palin, admitting that her family used to get treatment in Canada's single-payer health care system, despite having demonized such government-run programs as socialized medicine that will lead to death-panel-like rationing, March 6, 2010

9. "I think on a national level your Department of Law there in the White House would look at some of the things that we've been charged with and automatically throw them out." --Sarah Palin, referring to a department that does not exist while attempting to explain why as president she wouldn't be subjected to the same ethics investigations that compelled her to resign as governor of Alaska, ABC News interview, July 7, 2009

10. "Ohh, good, thank you, yes." --Sarah Palin, after a notorious Canadian prank caller complimented her on the documentary about her life, Hustler's "Nailin Paylin," Nov. 1, 2008 (Read more about the prank call, watch the video and see the transcript)

[deepthroat]

How Stupid Is Sarah Palin? (Trust Me, This is Astounding)

Sep 01 2008

Never mind (for the moment) this morning€™s not-so-shocking revelation that the 17-year-old unmarried daughter of Alaska Governor Sarah Palin €” who doesn€™t believe in sex education, and who€™s so anti-choice, she wouldn€™t let her teenage daughter get an abortion if she€™d gotten pregnant by rape €” is preggers, knocked up, up the duff, sprog-bound, up the stick, eating for two, in the pudding club, in the family way€¦

No, never mind all that (for the moment). Let€™s just talk about the stunning, appalling, blinding ignorance of John McCain€™s wildly ill-advised choice for a running mate.

In the spirit of €œIf English was good enough for Jesus, it€™s good enough for me€œ:
Palin On Pledge Of Allegiance: €œIf It Was Good Enough For The Founding Fathers, It€™s Good Enough For Me€
In a 2006 questionnaire for Alaska€™s gubernatorial race, vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin seemed to muddle her American history.

Question: Are you offended by the phrase €œUnder God€ in the Pledge of Allegiance? Why or why not?

Palin: Not on your life. If it was good enough for the founding fathers, its good enough for me and I€™ll fight in defense of our Pledge of Allegiance.

The pledge, of course, was not written until 1892 and the words €œunder God€ were not added until the 1950s. From Wikipedia:
The Pledge of Allegiance was written in 1892 by Francis Bellamy (1855-1931), a Baptist minister, a Christian Socialist, and the cousin of Socialist Utopian novelist Edward Bellamy (1850-1898). Bellamy€™s original €œPledge of Allegiance€ was published in the September 8th issue of the popular children€™s magazine The Youth€™s Companion as part of the National Public-School Celebration of Columbus Day, a celebration of the 400th anniversary of Christopher Columbus€™s discovery of America, conceived by James B. Upham.
. . .

The Knights of Columbus in New York City felt that the pledge was incomplete without any reference to a deity. Appealing to the authority of Abraham Lincoln, the Knights felt that the words €œunder God€ which were from Lincoln€™s Gettysburg Address were most appropriate to add to the Pledge. In New York City on April 22, 1951, the Board of Directors of the Knights of Columbus adopted a resolution to amend their recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance at the opening of each of the meetings of the 800 Fourth Degree Assemblies of the Knights of Columbus by addition of the words €œunder God€ after the words €œone nation.€

. . .

Senator Homer Ferguson, in his report to the Congress on March 10, 1954, said, €œThe introduction of this joint resolution was suggested to me by a sermon given recently by the Rev. George M. Docherty, of Washington, D.C., who is pastor of the church at which Lincoln worshipped.€ This time Congress concurred with the Oakman-Ferguson resolution, and Eisenhower opted to sign the bill into law on Flag Day (June 14, 1954).

Well, now you know why Palin was voted Miss Congeniality, and not Miss Brain. What a moran.

The only people stupider than Sarah Palin are the idiots who want this ignoble ignoramus one heartbeat away from the Oval Office.

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The Irrefutable Stupidity of Sarah Palin


From time to time, I'll get into a debate with a right-winger about whether Sarah Palin is actually stupid or if liberals are just hopelessly biased against her. They claim this bias comes from the fact that liberals are scared of her electability, her charm, her looks, her femininity, her Christianity, her ability connect to the common man and her overall wonderfulness. So, the theory is that we have all collectively decided that she is the best Republican candidate in some secret liberal meeting and are conspiring against her because we are afraid of how brilliant and electable she really is.

Now, there are a couple of problems with this theory. There are no opinion leaders on the left with Rush Limbaugh-like authority who can command all other progressives to think the same thing and use the same arguments against one person. In other words, we all think she is stupid because she is in fact stupid, not because some liberal cabal told us to think that.

How come we don't call Newt Gingrich stupid? Or Dick Cheney or Kay Bailey Hutchinson or Elizabeth Dole or Dennis Hastert? And the list goes on and on of heinous and deplorable right-wingers who are not stupid. We don't make those charges against those people, because as much as we might not agree with them or like them, we know that they are not dullards. They're all clever in their own way. Mitt Romney is greasy, Michael Steele is a clown and Tom DeLay is dirty, but we don't go after their mental acuity like we do with Sarah Palin because they're not as dumb as her (not even Steele).

So, finally we get to the evidence. I thought I'd just do it here and be done with it. Then I can just point people to this post from now on and end this senseless argument.

Now, there are a million examples of this, but I thought I'd go with three knockout punches here. In the first video, we have the classic Bush Doctrine answer, where she does not know the basic foreign policy of the Republican president at the time. How could she possibly be running for vice president and not know this? The only thing more unconscionable is the sad excuses her supporters make for this terribly botched answer.



In the second video, we have a largely overlooked example of her pathetic lack of foreign policy knowledge. She has no idea what Hamas is or what they have to do with the Gaza Strip. If your next door neighbor or plumber doesn't know this, that's fine, but they weren't running for Vice President of the United States. This should be game set and match for anyone, especially self-respecting conservatives, thinking of supporting her. This is when you have to walk away embarrassed.



But remarkably, they didn't slink away embarrassed after this answer, so we have the latest example of her buffoonery. In this interview with Bill O'Reilly, he asks her if she is smart enough to be president. Her answer has to be seen to be believed. Don't get me wrong, just because you see it won't mean you'll understand it. So, I put a transcript of her answer below so that you can try to decipher it in your spare time.




Bill O'Reilly: Let me be very bold and fresh again, do you believe that you are smart enough, incisive enough, intellectual enough to handle the most powerful job in the world?
Sarah Palin: I believe that I am because I have common sense and I have I believe the values that I think are reflective of so many other American values, and I believe that what Americans are seeking is not the elitism, the uhm, the ah, a kind of spineless, spinelessness that perhaps is made up for that with some kind of elite, Ivy league education and, and a fat resume that is based on anything but hard work and private sector, free enterprise principles. Americans are could be seeking something like that in positive change in their leadership, I'm not saying that that has to be me.

Can anyone really be biased enough to think that was a smart answer? The great irony is that he asked her if she's smart enough to be president and she gave what might be her dumbest answer yet. That answer was so bad it almost made George W. Bush look smart. Can anyone in good conscience defend that answer and say with a straight face that she should be this country's leader?

If you say yes, then there is no sense in talking to one another anymore because we are not operating in the same reality, or planet. We'll never be able to agree on anything if we can't agree that was just about as incomprehensible and stupid an answer as you can possibly come up with. And that settles the debate, because you either live in the reality based world and realize she is obviously not qualified, or in the immortal words of Stephen Colbert you believe that "reality has a well-known liberal bias" and she would make a great president.

[BlueBallz]

I have already stated that if the race were between Hilary and Palin I would vote for Hilary!!! The thing that bothers me is the invective and vitrol on these posts. I especially take exception to post 19 where Strocube posted some imagine-one which included a blonde Barbie/KKK doll. Thats over the top and disgusting. The fact is that the Republican Party, lead by Goldwater at the time, had to lobby all the Southern Dems to even PASS The Civil Rights Act of 1964. But I digress...........

NEWSFLASH: Sarah Palin is not in a position of elected office in this country!!!! Stupid things politcians say and do?? If Joe Biden's name were Qualye, he would be the savg butt of jokes in the same way as Dan Quayle was. President Obama made NUMEROUS silly gaffes during the campaign that the fawning print and visual media let go. Lets have a look at idiots like Charlie Rangel and Maxine "We gonna socialize your indusrty" Waters. How about that dope from North Carolina that accosted that kid on a DC street. Is that dope Larry Craig still in the Senate?? The list goes on and on and it crosses the aisle.

I think some of the accusations you make against Palin can be leveled against Obama as well. I think Obama would prefer the trappings of the office (i.e. mega rock star treatment) without the awesome resposibilities. Just saying IMHO.......

I stand by my original theory that Palin in unelectable and the Dems should pray that she run. If the Republicans were smart, they would have one of these "fresh faces" run in 2012 instead of some of the retreads from the last time around. But nobody is going to ask me.

Two more things about the over the top hyperbole aimed at Palin: 1) The left would go absoluted SPARE if someone depicted Obama as a Kenyan warrior holding a spear with a bone thru his nose, hugging Chairman Mao and Comrade Stalin and 2) Sometimes you are defined by your enemies............

The thread brings up a couple of interesting political deabtes i.e how much taxation is appropriate/enough. Storcube goes on about how the rich are parasites and spewing his, dare I say, socialist mantra. I think it is IMMORAL to tax citizen near 50% of their income. Lets not forget to mention the death tax. You think "The Duke of Chappiquiddick" Ted Kennedy forked over 55% of his riches to the Feds?? You think Jonh F Kerry will if he kicks the bucket tomorrow?? Dont think so-HYPOCRITES!!!

Deepthroat mentioned that he was ashamed to e a Dem due to Charlie Rangel's peccadilloes!! Well, I am ashamed to be the same SPECIES as this pathetic, disgraceful, corrupt sad excuse for a human being!!

[strocube]

Yes, BB, I am A SOCIALIST!
Also, I would like to see that tax rate back to 90% for the super rich, as it was under that known Bolshevik, Eisenhower.

We need to TAX THE SHIT OUT OF RICH PEOPLE. You can tax the shit out of them, and guess what, THEY WILL STILL BE RICH!
Are you rich, BB?
I suppose we could get into all kinds of debates as to what constitutes "rich," but that's another issue all together.

The biggest expenditures are "defense," social security, and health care.

The military budget is a FUCKING TRAVESTY of the highest order. It needs to be slashed to pieces.

Even a slight reduction would go a long way to mitigating many of both our budget and social issues.

[BlueBallz]

Thats another thread that I may or may not start. Its IMMORAL for the government leeches to confiscate more than 50% of ones income. Thats my story and I am sticking to it. No, I am not rich-far from it. I am actually a union member!!!!!!

Agree about the Defense budget for sure. How about entitlements as well?? One of the largest parts of our budget is SERVICING the debt. If we dont get a handle on that right now, then its going to be a HUGE problem.


You know the last couple of times when confiscatory income taxes were cut, it led to a huge economic expansion. That rabid right winger (at least he would be by todays standards) JFK led the charge to cut taxes in the early 60's.

You know, if people want to pay more taxes, THEY CAN!!!!! You talk about hypocrisy on the right (and granted there is PLENTY of it) but this is where here is a HUGE amount of hypocrisy of the left. Obama couldnt put together a cabinet without naming someone who was a tax cheat. Good ol Charlie Rangel the ex Chair of the Ways and Mean Committee FFS!! is a tax cheat. The list can go on and on.

But we digress. This thread is about Sarah Palin possibly becoming President. I have made my feelings known about that numerous times. Nuff said!!

[Road Runner]

I can't remember figures and to be honest I'm not about to look them up at the moment!

Some years ago in the UK  -  think it was the mid 1980's they reduced the top rate of taxation from something like 80% to 40%.
The revenue from personal taxation went up not down as you would think.

Why?  The people that fall into the higher rates of taxation have the money to pay people to work out how to avoid it  -  the lower rate payers don't.
If you drop the rate to something more sustainable there is less incentive to avoid it so you end up with more cash.

Two other things;-
Tax on purchases cause the most complaints before they are imposed but are quickly forgotten.
Company taxes usually produce more revenue than personal taxation.

RR.

[Jake_Sully]

Its interesting that we can discuss this without getting emotional or losing reason.

So although I don't agree with you on all points BB, I do agree on some.. I agree 90% is harsh but around 45-55% for those making over 2 million per year, especially on the wall street bonuses would be justified. Death tax.. under 3 million, no tax is okay, but I'm not sure of what the current law is.

Lots of companies go overseas with jobs to maximize profits so I would levy import taxes to balance our national trade deficit (with Canada being exempted) and with the money, provide for federally funded college education. I don't care so much about healthcare personally which is why I'm not a democrat, but I greatly care about giving our people the tools and the knowledge so that they can compete in the global workforce. Giving tax breaks to those companies who employ Americans would be good.

However taxing and spending is just a fraction of the problem. The real problem is expenditure and pet projects like Congressman John Murtha's airport in PA or Secretary of Defense saying we don't need this and Congress saying "Yes you do!".

Entitlements ooh yummy subject. I would honestly do away with most of them and force people to work and save for a living but I wouldn't touch Social Security.

Defense waste well..  

And I'm for LBGT rights so I can't be a republican.  

I don't know where I fit on the democrat or republican map but I feel like a punching bag for both of them. I do know that when I took the Political Compass Test my results were slightly left of center:

Economic Left/Right: -3.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.21

[El_hefe]

If Joe Biden's name were Qualye, he would be the savg butt of jokes in the same way as Dan Quayle was.

WASHINGTON€”Taking advantage of the warm spring weather Monday, Vice President Joe Biden parked his 1981 Trans Am in the White House driveway, removed his undershirt, and spent a leisurely afternoon washing the muscle car and drinking beer to "give the twin cannons some sun."

"This baby just needs a little scrub down," said Biden, addressing a tour group as he tucked the sweat-covered top into the belt loop of his cutoff jean shorts. "Gotta get her looking good so I can impress the chicks when I'm cruising down Pennsylvania [Avenue]."

White House aides said that Biden pulled into the driveway shortly before noon, the chorus of Night Ranger's "(You Can Still) Rock In America" blaring from his car's stereo. According to witnesses, Biden .....

[Steff]

JS, health care has to be an issue.

Health care for ALL is the same as fresh water or fresh air for all. Or the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. You cannot have life, liberty, or happiness without health. Health is a prerequisite. It is a RIGHT and not a privilege or something you can afford or not. It is not something families need to wring their hands over, lose sleep over, or go into financial debt or ruin over. It should be there full front and center and supported completely by the state. 50% taxes is well worth the price.

In the end your country is about its' people. That was it was all about in the beginning. Not the economy or national defense or bailing out GM or Wall Street. WE THE PEOPLE...

HEALTH is wealth and we all are entitled to it. I am not left or right nor liberal or conservative. I am issue ordinated and react accordingly. But Health care is not on the table at all in the grand scheme of things. It is what we should all have at any time in any place on the GLOBE. First class 100% health care.

Health is not NOT a profit center. If air or water or the right to bear children were taxed or regulated there would be an outrage. It is interesting that the most powerful country in the world does not recognize the right to free health care for ALL its' citizens and yet will go on and on and on and on about the right to bear arms. Goodness, take a deep breath, close you eyes, and shake this silly shit outta your ass.

[BlueBallz]

Road Runner is SOOOOOOO correct. I clearly remember after 9-11 the Bush Administration requested and received tax cuts. He was absolutely savged in the media but you know what happened?? A couple of years later the USA had RECORD tax revenues. Thats the point of taxation, isnt it?? Now guess what happened?? Congress, in its infinite wisdom, passed budgets that GREATLY increased spending. Therein lies the problem.

Like I said, if the Hollywood left wing glitterati wish to pay more tax-THEY CAN. Add Timothy Geithner, Jonh F Kerry, Charlie Rangel, the Kennedys, the Clintons, Warrne Buffet etc. to the list.