Israel

[JaiDee]

(f0xxee @ Jun. 10 2010,06:04) And Aussies I think are resentful of Dubya and his foreign policy for getting us in this mess.

Get in line, behind every other country on earth!

As well as every progressively-minded American; we hated his 8 years also, trust me.

[azza33]

Foxee, I can see some left wing rage - I don't think I wrote on the feeling of how Australia feels about the us(until post after yours) and clearly not much depth to it.
I know well about Pacmans thoughts. I think ur emotions may have got the better of you there. At any rate, our views are unlikely to be anything other than diametrically opposed given your trashing of the right

I voted Howard, but not every time! I think rudd is the worst prime minister thus country has ever seen! He was also a disgrace in opposition- least we have a chance to fix that mess!! Now if you help us vote rudd out, I'll buy you a beer in Los

[Guest]

(azza33 @ Jun. 10 2010,06:13)

(travis bickle @ Jun. 10 2010,01:21)

(azza33 @ Jun. 10 2010,00:11) You are not enlightening anyone,
I don't need an education, clearly you may as it is implicit within my wording that I acknowlegde the wrongdoing in some us policy- but I am a firm believer the world is a better place due to the us. It's an opinion and nothing more.

An opinion based on what may I ask?

 Ask anyone in the middle east (bar Israel) if the world is a better place thanx to the Usa.

You must base your opinions on something...

Mate, I'm not about to list all the positive aspects of us foreign policy- I'll leave it up to you to take a look, and perhaps you can write about some positive aspects for once.

ok-dont list them all then.

1 or 2 positive aspects of American foreign policy will do for starters

If you havent noticed,I'm not making the case FOR American foreign policy,you are.


Its a shitty job i know,but youve already volunteered to do it...

How about their forign policy in the Middle East,how's that working out?

How about their foreign poicy in Cental America...thought well of there are they?

How's it going with Russia,and the former soviet bloc,everything hunky dory with vladimir ?

well,ive had a look.....mate

[azza33]

And correct me if I'm wrong, but the worldwide spread of terrorism by bins mob and followers was about the occupation of Saudi Arabia - not Israel.

So maybe sadam had the last laugh as by invading Kuwait... Look at how the pawns have fallen since. If that event never occured I wonder how different the world would be!!

[azza33]

Tb - I'm not going to indulge you & I suspect that irks you somewhat as you are not then allowed to rebuff. What a bastard, I know

[Guest]

(azza33 @ Jun. 10 2010,06:47) Tb - I'm not going to indulge you & I suspect that irks you somewhat as you are not then allowed to rebuff. What a bastard, I know : harhar:

what a cop out azza...you do not have the courage of your convictions.So I must presume that even you,a wannabee yank,could not think of even 1 positive aspect of American foreign policy....

[azza33]

You can go fishing all you like tb - won't make any difference

The thing is that I can acknowledge both sides of the argument whereas you are so blinded by your hatred of the us govt, You are incapable of considering any of the positives or accept that someone can hold an opposite perspective.

Such as life - as an infamous Aussie once said.

I'm more than comfortable with my moral disposition.

[azza33]

Oh and wannabe yank hey - so I wanted to live and work in the us, so I'm a wanna be yank (perhaps it's because I think the us fosters and promotes talent & entrepreneurial spirit better than any country in the world- why wouldn't you want to take advatage of that?)

I want to retire and live in Thailand - guess that makes me a wannabe banana, for your edification, a banana is yellow on the outside and white on the inside

[Torurot]

Some more foam for the Lukid Nazi apologists

Jews for Helen Thomas
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6LtrM8ozFk


While Israel Kills and Maims ...
Thomas€™ €œoutrageous€ statement by Alison Weir
http://ifamericansknew.org
....
Yet, the rage we see in the U.S. media is directed against none of this. People shot in the head, eyes and brain parts destroyed, the elderly beaten, small children and infants caused to suffer and die, parents to grieve €“ none of this has caused a hint of anger. In fact, most of it has been considered of too little importance even to report.

Instead, media reports are filled with outrage at €œanti-Israel€ words spoken by 89-year-old Helen Thomas.

In Thomas€™s lifetime Israel has ethnically cleansed over a million people, replaced them with colonists from around the world, committed dozens of massacres, tortured thousands of people, killed and maimed untold numbers of children, mangled limbs, and committed outrages on women, old people, the weak and the infirm.

It has assassinated people throughout the world, invaded numerous countries, spied on the U.S., killed and injured 200 American servicemen (the anniversary is this week), and tortured and imprisoned Americans. All while receiving more American money than any other country on earth.

For years, long before her recent words, Thomas has been the target of Israel€™s vicious American volunteers, the Zionist blogosphere abounding with nasty slurs on her looks and her Lebanese ancestry, this latter also consistently emphasized by the media, despite her Kentucky birth and upbringing.

One of the reasons for the ferocious animosity toward her is the fact that Thomas is one of the very few mainstream reporters to challenge the neocon engendered lies that led the U.S. into wars that have caused massive death, destruction and tragedy and to continue to expose ongoing policies of violence and cruelty.

As the same groups and individuals who pushed the US into attacking Iraq have in recent years been escalating their efforts to push the U.S. to now similarly decimate Iranians under the pretext that Iran might be developing nuclear weapons, Thomas€™s questioning attempted to elicit from Obama the fact that Israel already posses nuclear weapons. While the rest of the press corps has conspired in the cover-up of this fact and others, Thomas worked to expose them.

Not surprisingly, the many people complicit in these manipulations, such as former Bush spokesperson Ari Fleischer, have led the charge against her.....   etc etc

[azza33]

You are persistent(ly boring)

[f0xxee]

(azza33 @ Jun. 10 2010,06:29) Foxee, I can see some left wing rage - I don't think I wrote on the feeling of how Australia feels about the us(until post after yours) and clearly not much depth to it.
I know well about Pacmans thoughts. I think ur emotions may have got the better of you there. At any rate, our views are unlikely to be anything other than diametrically opposed given your trashing of the right  

I voted Howard, but not every time! I think rudd is the worst prime minister thus country has ever seen! He was also a disgrace in opposition- least we have a chance to fix that mess!! Now if you help us vote rudd out, I'll buy you a beer in Los

Azza,

Briefly:
I left OZ as I was ashamed to be Australian (yes, i wrote that) due to the little goggle-eyed, parrot faced, fuck bucket of a Prime Minister's dick worship of Bush and Blair.
I stood at the opening of the 2003 Rugby world cup where the whole stadium booed Howard in his Wallaby's scarf. What a national embarrassment. Booed by his own: the middle class rugby establishment no less.

I was a private school student. But you combine Catholicism with a love of history and you end up with a left wing athiest.

I was a Union delo for both the Seaman's Union and Maritime Union before studying further and becoming an Officer.

If you are not a left winger at 20 you got no heart... if you are still a left winger at 40 you got no brains.

I think Rudd is a traitor to the labor movement and should be voted out. No need to bribe me, send me the postal forms.

Sorry if I seemed harsh earlier.... I just really hate how Aussie has sold its future generations the dummy in 20 short years for short term greed rather than long term security.

I am now a card carrying cynic who thinks they all suck. best hope for Australia?

Malcolm Turnbull.

[Bumpa STIKKA]

What is interesting to me as I scroll through the pages of this thread is that the posters in favour of the 'aggressors' Israel have lodged their opinions in their own words and the side in favour of the 'oppressed' Hamas government have consistently expressed theirs by cutting and pasting other peoples words!

Just an observation...

[kahuna]

(azza33 @ Jun. 10 2010,07:40) for your edification

Careful or you'll invoke the Kahuna Rule...

[f0xxee]

(Bumpa STIKKA @ Jun. 10 2010,11:22) What is interesting to me as I scroll through the pages of this thread is that the posters in favour of the 'aggressors' Israel have lodged their opinions in their own words and the side in favour of the 'oppressed' Hamas government have consistently expressed theirs by cutting and pasting other peoples words!

Just an observation...

What about us pain in the ass cynics who think both sides would be better with a decently administered nuclear enema?

[azza33]

(kahuna @ Jun. 10 2010,11:31)

(azza33 @ Jun. 10 2010,07:40) for your edification

Careful or you'll invoke the Kahuna Rule...

I thought you might enjoy that line