Flying by Air- the carbon footprint

[Torurot]

Vol.15, No. 2, Spring 1992
Regulation Magazine
Global Warming: The Origin and Nature of the Alleged Scientific Consensus
Richard S. Lindzen

Richard S. Lindzen is the Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Meteorology at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/regv15n2/reg15n2g.html

[Guest]

Very interesting. Although the article goes back quite a few years, the core issues don't seem to have changed much.

Here is a recent piece by the same author reviewing Al Gore's latest Sci-Fi movie  

http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110008597

[Guest]

(Tomcat @ Feb. 06 2007,17:32)

(katoeylover @ Feb. 06 2007,02:29) whats next?

Carbon trading....

for instance if you cancel your next trip to Thailand it will offset the Carbon emissions for my own flight... the trade off is that you can bask in the warm glow of having done the right thing and i can relax knowing that +1 and -1 = 0

Check this out TOMCAT:

Seems Albore with his Oscar has a cozy relationship with the firm he uses to offset his carbon emissions!

Sleazy green fools!

How Gore's massive energy consumption saves the world

March 4, 2007

BY MARK STEYN
Sun-Times Columnist

Stop me if you've heard this before, but the other day the Rev. Al Gore declared that "climate change" was "the most important moral, ethical, spiritual and political issue humankind has ever faced.'' Ever. I believe that was the same day it was revealed that George W. Bush's ranch in Texas is more environmentally friendly than the Gore mansion in Tennessee. According to the Nashville Electric Service, the Eco-Messiah's house uses 20 times more electricity than the average American home. The average household consumes 10,656 kilowatt-hours. In 2006, the Gores wolfed down nearly 221,000 kilowatt-hours.

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Also he buys -- and if you're a practicing Ecopalyptic please prostrate yourself before the Recycling Bin and make the sign of the HDPE -- Al buys "carbon offsets," or "carbon credits." Or, as his spokesperson Kalee Kreider put it (and, incidentally, speaking through a spokesperson is another way Al dramatically reduces his own emissions), the Gores "also do the carbon emissions offset."

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How do "carbon offsets" work? Well, let's say you're a former vice president and you want to reduce your "carbon footprint," but the gorgeous go-go Gore gals are using the hair dryer every night. So you go to a carbon-credits firm and pay some money and they'll find a way of getting somebody on the other side of the planet to reduce his emissions and the net result will be "carbon neutral." It's like in Henry VIII's day. He'd be planning a big ox roast and piling on the calories but he'd give a groat to a starving peasant to carry on starving for another day and the result would be calorie-neutral.

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And, in fact, in the Reverend Al's case it's even better than that. Al buys his carbon offsets from Generation Investment Management LLP, which is "an independent, private, owner-managed partnership established in 2004 and with offices in London and Washington, D.C.," that, for a fee, will invest your money in "high-quality companies at attractive prices that will deliver superior long-term investment returns." Generation is a tax-exempt U.S. 501©3. And who's the chairman and founding partner? Al Gore.

So Al can buy his carbon offsets from himself. Better yet, he can buy them with the money he gets from his long-time relationship with Occidental Petroleum. See how easy it is to be carbon-neutral? All you have do is own a gazillion stocks in Big Oil, start an eco-stockbroking firm to make eco-friendly investments, use a small portion of your oil company's profits to buy some tax-deductible carbon offsets from your own investment firm, and you too can save the planet while making money and leaving a carbon footprint roughly the size of Godzilla's at the start of the movie when they're all standing around in the little toe wondering what the strange depression in the landscape is.

A couple of days before the Oscars, the Reverend Al gave a sell-out performance at the University of Toronto. "From my perspective, it is a form of religion," said Bruce Crofts of the East Toronto Climate Action Group, who compared the former vice president to Jesus Christ, both men being (as the Globe And Mail put it) "great leaders who stepped forward when called upon by circumstance." Unlike Christ, the Eco-Messiah cannot yet walk on water, but then, neither can the polar bears. However, only Al can survey the melting ice caps and turn water into whine. One lady unable to land a ticket frantically begged the university for an audience with His Goriness. As the National Post reported, "Her daughter hadn't been able to sleep since seeing ''An Inconvenient Truth.'' She claimed that seeing Mr. Gore in person might make her daughter feel better." Well, it worked for Leonardo DiCaprio.

[katoeylover]

And they wonder why we wonder....

[Guest]

http://www.channel4.com/science....ex.html

http://www.lse.co.uk/ShowSto....mentary

[katoeylover]

Channel 4 is good for anti-establishment broadcasting.

Unfortunately i am busy thursday night but will set the recorder, and report back!!

[Stewart]

(Tomcat @ Feb. 24 2007,19:15)

(Stewart @ Feb. 24 2007,15:47) TC - Please point me towards some science books that can explain how the fucking quote thingies work on this forum!  

You go to the post you want to quote from and press the quote button...then crop the info as required and post your own thoughts in the empty box above..

Fuck, I had no idea that was how it worked - for the last 2 years I have been cutting and pasting from the original post, then placing quote signs round the bits I want to comment on!

I am enlightened!

[stogie bear]

halle-fucking-uhah!

[Tomcat]

Ivana, my learned friend

I normally agree with Mark Steyn as i have said before but on this occasion i dont!.. but he is a smart guy, no mistake. And i agree with him about 90% of the time on other matters.

We can bring up articles from wherever we feel like all day long.... there are 28,000 articles on the Science website alone for the Greenland Ice Sheet.

The main skeptics in the public eye can squawk all day long but it doesnt change the fact that 113 countries, including USA , now agree that Global Warming is happening. Whether any action will be taken is another matter. My only point is that i believe its happening... nothing more...nothing less...

[Guest]

http://www.canada.com/nationa....14da388

Another scientist defects.

Tomcat, you do know that many of the scientists whose names are on that report are now raising hell, saying they completely disagree with the report and want their name and references removed.

There is also a petition of 17,000 scientists (who actually study climate) who have another petition against global warming theory.

[Guest]

(Tomcat @ Mar. 05 2007,18:50) Ivana, my learned friend

I normally agree with Mark Steyn as i have said before but on this occasion i dont!.. but he is a smart guy, no mistake. And i agree with him about 90% of the time on other matters.

Tomcat,
You have faith that some scientists (who said they are 90% sure that humans are causing global warming) are correct, even though most scientists reject a hypothesis unless they can demonstrate 95% confidence.
You want to believe. A religious bloke might call that religion, but I think it is more X-Files-ish.

(Tomcat @ Mar. 05 2007,18:50) We can bring up articles from wherever we feel like all day long.... there are 28,000 articles on the Science website alone for the Greenland Ice Sheet.

You wrote that there are 28,000 articles on Greenland ice sheet. So what? Have you read any (hee hee!)? Are they all unanimous? What is your fucking point?!
There are at least that many advocates for an Islamic caliphate in London. Are those bearded goatfuckers onto some higher wisdom us stupid infidel blokes have not figured out?

(Tomcat @ Mar. 05 2007,18:50) The main skeptics in the public eye can squawk all day long but it doesnt change the fact that 113 countries, including USA , now agree that Global Warming is happening. Whether any action will be taken is another matter.

So the fuck what?
Does this prove ANYTHING?
When a majority of the life peers and Lords Spiritual vote about anything, are they marching to a noble calling?
Does providence ensure that a majority is always in the right?
Does the mob follow a saintly calling?
When the first environmentalist spoke out as a true minority voice, was he wrong because 113 countries probably would have arrested him for being a motherfucking lunatic at that point?

(Tomcat @ Mar. 05 2007,18:50) My only point is that i believe its happening... nothing more...nothing less...

X-Files, man. X-Files.
Go buy your carbon credits from Al Whore.
Maybe you should buy a few extra for when your fat slag back in Blighty with rotten teeth farts in bed.
Here is a link about a story of a firm that sells carbon credits for your flatulent cat for $6.
But remember, that old man-cunt you've been shagging is probably going to require more than $6 worth.
A lot more! Do your part!
Some green con-artist is gnashing his teeth and whispering "I smell the money of a dumb-fuck Englishmun!"

[Tomcat]

(ivana @ Mar. 06 2007,09:29) 113 countries, including USA , now agree that Global Warming is happening. So the fuck what?
Does this prove ANYTHING?

No it doesnt prove anything. it wasnt supposed to.This thread was burning out ( no pun intended) and i was stating my position that i agree with the recent summary. I think we all know where we stand by now.

btw
Ive tried to keep this civil but if you make any more comments like " make your fucking point" then this topic will go pearshaped very quickly.

[Tomcat]

(ivana @ Mar. 06 2007,09:29) Maybe you should buy a few extra for when your fat slag back in Blighty with rotten teeth farts in bed.

But remember, that old man-cunt you've been shagging is probably going to require more than $6 worth.

I missed this earlier. Not exactly the voice of reason eh!

Someone should tell this guy how to behave.! Do we have to put up with this crap.

[Guest]

(Tomcat @ Mar. 06 2007,23:55) Someone should tell this guy how to behave.! Do we have to put up with this crap.

I apologize Tomcat. I was feeling stressed out about something else and I overreacted to your post.

Since what I posted was methane-laden crap however, I have decided to purchase some carbon credits from Al Gore as atonement.

Can we kiss and make up?  

[Tomcat]

Sound like a great idea! . I hope we meet someday in some Ladyboy laden haven .

Good luck to you.....


TC