Iraq's civil war...

[stogie bear]

Five Britons have been kidnapped from Iraq's finance ministry in Baghdad, the British government has confirmed. Those abducted include four bodyguards from security company GardaWorld and a finance expert. Witnesses and sources told the BBC that the kidnappers wore police uniforms and arrived in up to 40 police vehicles.

Also on Tuesday, Baghdad was shaken by a bus explosion which killed at least 23 people and injured about 55, and a car bomb which killed at least 17 people, hurt at least 36 and destroyed a Shia mosque.

The US military also announced that 10 of its soldiers were killed in Iraq on Monday, including two in a helicopter crash. At least 112 US troops have been killed so far in May, making it the deadliest month this year.

Scores of men dressed as cops (or maybe actual cops) stroll into the most heavily protected city on earth and kidnap a few people... bombs are killing loads of civilians every day and the US troops are handing out bodybags with the uniform when you enlist...

Isn't it time to say "OK - You win... byeeeee!"

I mean - for fucks sake!    

[katoeylover]

Not at all, far too much oil to leave behind...

[moe666]

I have said from day one that Bush and company didn't have a clue what he was getting into. I have recieved a lot of flack from people for my opinions about Iraq and I really don't care this is one ocassion when it is not fun to tell some idiot " I told you so".
Lost lives, lost treasure we will be paying for the Bush folly for a long time.

[Guest]

It's "flak", not "flack".

Stogie, what do you suppose the consequences are of saying "you win"?

You think they just take their winnings and then we all just move on to the next day?

[Groundhog]

There wasn't a civil war before the US got involved ... Iraq was a developed, secular country with a strong middle class and high levels of education.

The US has bombed them back into the stone age, simply because they weren't a pliable tribal religious dictatorship like Saudi Arabia...

But then what else would you expect from a President who gets advice from his imaginary friend? ...


Hmmm .... Bush's idea of heaven is a world where we'll all hack each other to pieces over who's imaginary friend is best.... it's a "faith based program" ya'all see?

[daveduke007]

Sounds like Vietnam revisited

[Guest]

It is, it is just like Vietnam. The Vietnamise generals have since admitted that they were losing the war. If America had stayed in, they said they would have lost within a year and all of Vietnam would be out of the hands of communists.

They thanked the American media for winning the war for them. With the help of the media, they didn't have to win, America pulled out.

Groundhog, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

[Guest]

fuck it glass parking lot time. sick of our young men and women dying for this stupid shit. i also know the problem wont go away if we pull out. it will end up being open season on americans everywhere.

[PigDogg]

(trocks69 @ May 29 2007,20:20) sick of our young men and women dying for this stupid shit.

[PigDogg]

(moe666 @ May 29 2007,16:47) Bush and company didn't have a clue what he was getting into.

 Lost lives, lost treasure we will be paying for the Bush folly for a long time.

[PigDogg]

(grunyen @ May 29 2007,19:28) If America had stayed in, they said they would have lost within a year and all of Vietnam would be out of the hands of communists.

Any documentation on this one?

[SamplerDoc]

Has this been on the news?  I haven't heard a thing

[moe666]

The trippe about they will follow us home sounds a bit like the we are on the verge of being attacked by Saddam, put out by the same crew who gave us the Iraq war. The nuts hit us at home before Iraq how does staying there keep them out.
Bush is going to keep this going until he leaves office and then it will be left to the guy who replaces him to sort it out. Bush and company should be tried as war criminals for the crap they have created in Iraq. But the civilians who die there everyday are just sandniggers and don't count for much.
I could support the Afgan adventure because we were going after the bad guys but this Iraq mess no way.

[stogie bear]

Stogie, what do you suppose the consequences are of saying "you win"?

Less Westerners would have their heads sawn off.

What exactly is a good reason to be there. The oil companies want that dump? They should be funding the armies to go get it.

[Groundhog]

(daveduke007 @ May 30 2007,10:03) Sounds like Vietnam revisited

There is a great movie "The Fog of War" where Robert MacNamera recounts how the war developed, and how he came to the decisions of the war

The parallels are amazing ...

Lyndon Johnson repeatedly described the war as a war "for the hearts and minds of the people"

We got into the war on false intelligence (about the enemy that France was fighting)

The war was escalated and sold to the people by a president from Texas who won his election based on voting shenanigans (in Johnson's case, his first senatorial election; Lee Harvey Oswald gave him the presidency)

... and so forth and so on ... see the movie