Thailand, kathoeys, Franck & the whole damn thing

[batman4ever]

Pacman...SOME of your posts reminds me of a certain fellow...

http://www.spikedhumor.com/article....er.html

[Naang Faa]

Naang Faa
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[ciobha]

(Snick @ Jan. 06 2008,14:57) Damn you Thaibound --- That was my next great idea

selling 100, 50% stakes in a Pattaya LB Bar
Why'd you have to go spill the beans, you know better than that !!!

I was going to paint the place in Dayglow colors, play only rap music, charge 200 Baht for a beer, Barfine of 1000 Baht (950 after 2am), and hire all the girls from Triple-X

After a month I could declare bankruptcy.

You should go ahead with this idea snick.
Make sure the girls charge minimum 3000baht st,
and get annagrozzo to run it for you.
It's a sure winner!

[laptop]

I think we will have to agree to disagree. I did say his company was ok but due to his actions i have changed my mind.

And I am not angry at all. I am just at a loss why someone is defending him till the end. But you have every right to defend him and I hope things work out for you.

P.S - Hope all is good sombat. Leave my Pancakes alone!

[Snick]

(ciobha @ Jan. 07 2008,00:51) You should go ahead with this idea snick.
Make sure the girls charge minimum 3000baht st,
and get annagrozzo to run it for you.
It's a sure winner!

Glad to hear you want to invest

Please wire 500,000 Baht to

Snick's Bar
Bangkok Bank
Acct: 0104-5555-1221
CUPS: BKK-EKA-0011

Once I receive your wire transfer I will send you your certificate as a 50% owner of Snick's Bar

( This offer is open to all )

[doitrong]

Who the hell is Franck ?

is he that handsome old sleazy guy whould used to run 131 bar?

[Tomcat]

yes

[Sombat]

(laptop @ Jan. 07 2008,11:45) P.S - Hope all is good sombat. Leave my Pancakes alone!

Hi Laptop

All is fine thanks.

Sorry couldnt resist tossing the one and only Pancake a few times! Then I covered it with juice and then guess what I did?

Very best wishes

Sombat

[Guest]

(rossco @ Jan. 06 2008,15:18) I have read and re-read the various opinions and everyone has the right to their own.

When I first met Franck he was a congenial guy trying to open a bar to satisfy our desires - he did do that.

He asked me for 50,000 to stock the bar with booze. I explained that he would only need 10,000 (case of beer is 600, Spirits 600 baht a bottle etc, Mixers) I offered him 20,000 baht and he said he would pay back within the month and offered me 20% interest per month. It took numerous visits and cajoling to get my money back and I did NOT take 20% per month.

I realised then that something was up. Request for 50K for stock was not honest. I also wrote a simple accounting system for him to help him manage his affairs. He actually used this to show someone he was "managing" the business. The worksheet was never completed and any records re trading from March to Sept are not usable. He lived day to day and that was it.

How could a guy say he had just invested 450,000 baht in a new bar but was short by 20K for stock (oh yes the bar was already partially stocked)

Initially I supported the guy and the bar on the forums but he kept crossing the wire - sure it is "whore town" but he made some huge errors of judgment that could have impacted many other bar owners. Promoting underage LB's - moderators had their hands full moderating a bar owner who should have known better.

The sites are monitored by BIB and too often he was exposing the scene. For a "visitor" it is up to you but for a resident let alone a bar owner he was playing a very dangerous game - not only for himself but his staff, his customers and other bar owners.

He spoke that he had lived in Thailand for 27 years - yet seemed so naive about the bar game/business.

He ignored advice from many people - good sound advice which would have helped him promote, make money and enjoy his preferred lifestyle.

Remember he only owned the bar for 7 months - March to Sept inclusive. He actually did not even own it - he was sub letting from the French leasee - this is not legal in Thailand and Franck had no legal claims on the bar. In fact Sam is still dealing with Franck's legacy with the Frenchman. Sam invested in "hot air" as there were no assets to recover etc.

He was an expert at spotting a "mark" and had incredible ability to conjure a story/picture to underpin his requirements. I never advised anyone NOT to lend - it was not my position to do so.

He must have asked at least 6 people for a loan for stock and at least that number again for assistance with his airfare!

What really made me angry was that in spite of all the advice from many forum members both here and other boards he was on a route to disaster. His lifestyle could never be satisfied by his earnings.

He borrowed money from staff and often got angry with the cashier when he demanded money which she would not give him.

The "parties" were with inflated prices - check out Stringfellows/Lita's party charge.

He then reduced LB's commission on LD and BF - all while richly entertaining his darling in front of the underpaid/unpaid staff.

I do think that he is an unpleasant character but would stop short at seeing any harm done. He was a pathological liar and always will be. Think what stories he must have told his wife and 16 year old daughter to cover his real activity?

Many of his "detractors" were once his supporters - Why? Because he was totally untrustworthy. My favourite quote from Frankspeare is the delusion of a person on the brink:

"I always follow my instinct even though I know it is wrong"

We were all a mark in one way or another and the stories I could tell (not money related) would fill a book. He seemed to spend his waking hours dreaming of a new scam. Commission to host a party because it was "his" idea. Asking parents of staff to "lend" money and he would take special care of their offspring.

We all have the right to our own feelings but actually he is the loser. He had a throbbing desire for LB's and he has destroyed his own ability to mix in that society in Pattaya.

Franck was always quick to point out the hurt he received BUT he never once considered the feelings of others that he did hurt personally.

He is 63 and I wish him well in the future - he has had his moment of fame and I hope the memories will sustain him.

PacMan, Sam, Batman, and many others have my sympathy and I can appreciate their disparate feelings - some are angry some live in hope and some just get on with it. It is an individual thing and not all of us will react in exactly the same way in any given situation.
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Yes there are others owed money. One an Australian guy who was staying in Dynasty Inn in mid August.

Franck initially asked him fro 20K and left a Copy watch as surety. He returned a few days later asking for 60K for a boob job. He left a Chinese copy mobile as surety! He was not repaid. The LB he was with, from 131, was getting 3000 a day to stay - Franck advised him to only pay 1000 baht per day. I suppose this was Franck being "noble" and correct and helpful - only to the out of pocket of his loyal staff.

Some other posts allude to Trusting a bar owner - yes I agree that there are good and bad in all walks of life. By contrast a bar owner in Naklua gave Sam a great deal of advice on "running" a bar and even shared his book-keeping to illustrate. It is this bar owner's information that has enabled Sam to have a proper accounting system in place and a stock control that minimises "losses". The system takes account of the "thai" way of doing things so is not difficult for the staff to use.

Franck used to "buy" more beer than he "sold"! So the bar showed his partner a loss - the "excess" stock was probably sold on to one person's benefit.

Karl and Bob and Jim are of a different mould to Franck. Bob and Karl hold parties for their staff which they foot the tab for. I have heard Franck "threaten" his staff re a party - not a hostile threat but certainly bullying.

Franck a congenial guy with an acute addiction without the funds to support it. That does not excuse "ripping" off customers, staff and friends.

If he has been unwell etc I wish him good health but I certainly find it difficult to trust what he either says or does. Plenty of good hospitals in Bangkok/Pattaya with operations at a fraction of the cost of Europe.

What an amazing load of shit you€™re writing here Mr. Rossco (well known on the LBs community by DD - €œThe Drunken Dwarf€.

As Mr. Grump once wrote, you are highly suspicious about your contradictory posts or statements and I won€™t waste my time to deny all of yours written lies.

However, granting this board plays democracy, where everyone as the right to defend himself of lies and unfair attacks and since anyone of those (whom I thought friends) hadn€™t intervened in my defense, I€™ll do it myself with some remarks:

€œYes there are others owed money. One an Australian guy who was staying in Dynasty Inn in mid August.
Franck initially asked him fro 20K and left a Copy watch as surety. He returned a few days later asking for 60K for a boob job. He left a Chinese copy mobile as surety! He was not repaid. The LB he was with, from 131, was getting 3000 a day to stay - Franck advised him to only pay 1000 baht per day. I suppose this was Franck being "noble" and correct and helpful - only to the out of pocket of his loyal staff.€

I€™ve no idea where you got this story €“ totally untrue. Your imagination is certainly larger then your height.

€œIt took numerous visits and cajoling to get my money back and I did NOT take 20% per month.€

Another lie€¦ First, before I paid you in full, I have paid you 4,000 baht per month on the first 3 months €“ 12,000 baht interest!!! (20% p/month of your enormous investment). And if you remember I always asked you before the due date if you preferred to receive in full or the interest for one more month.
€œWell€ you said €“ €œthe interest is pretty fine for me€.

A parenthesis here: You€™re accusing me to be a natural borrower as a pathological liar.

May I mention now some reasons of your hate?

OK, let€™s do it:

€œFranck.. I know Sam is coming back to Pattaya in a few days and I need urgently ONE MILLION BAHT to save the compromises of paying the debts of the land I bought with the risk, if I don€™t pay to lose everything. Do you mind to make the proper dinner arrangements and help me to convince him?€

€œRossco€€¦ I said, €œI can introduce Sam to you and organize the dinner, but I don€™t want to be involved with the negotiations, that is up to you and him€ (honestly I€™d €œsmell€ a big scam behind that story €¦).

Next €“ Many times, I said MANY TIMES here and in the other board you like to use my phrase €œI ALWAYS FOLLOW MY INSTINCT EVEN THOUGH I KNOW IT IS WRONG€.
First, as everybody knows my written English, which is my second language is not so good, reason of many misinterpretations. When I said that, it was when I was prepared to help Moo when she was in jail and I knew It will be a wrong doing be to go ahead with that crusade, where I€™d nothing to win, on the contrary.
The time, unfortunately gave me reason of doing such a mistake as her reward was stealing a lot of my belongings from my own room.

Another €“ When I €œbetrayed€™ you with the gorgeous Natalie making lose your big face€¦
But what could I do? It was her choice as she€™s tall and don€™t like short men.

 
€œHe must have asked at least 6 people for a loan for stock and at least that number again for assistance with his airfare!€

True or not is not your damn problem, or do you think I was feeling proud to do so? Maybe I have asked more then 6 people as I was struggling with my sickness and the needed money for my airfare.
My last days in Bangkok trying to sell my laptop to be able of buying the plane ticket were quite painful.

How dare you, little peace of sh €¦, to accuse me €œripping of the staff€.
I invite all the BMs here to ask them, one by one if I did that.
On the contrary I (almost) daily help some of them with money (for eat or whatsoever), as I did with the needs of some BMs and I reaffirm €“ never had my money back.

Maybe Pentire my €œsworn enemy€ aka €œgood trustful friend€ wont mind to post here when we were relaxing on the beach, the way one of them (Mo) €œraped€ me of with 20k.

You know Rossco, yes I€™m sure you know, all our problems and your hate to me, started when I cut you off drinking free habits in 131.
Your behavior when I did that changed completely. But what can I do? You drink like a drunkard!!!

€œPromoting underage LB€™s€

Which underage LB I promoted? What are you talking about?

So far as I know, the only story concerning underage LBs was with Mo.
Yes the same Mo the already €œretired€ Stogie Bear €œdid€ and post his €œextraordinary€ achievement on the board with pics.
Quite funny to remember the moderators€™ efforts to delete my own posted pics before, when I was insecure about her age. BTW the date she was born €“ 14 June 2533, which means she still has 17€¦

I€™ll never forget that night, when she made an appointment with a customer friend of mine (super Mario) in 131.
You were there (with Sombat) and treat me; giving me 20 minutes for they leave the place if not you€™re calling the cops.
Talking about cops, I really believe that you work with them (BIBs), as a volunteer.
It is (was) not the first time some people mentioned that to me €“ Rossco is a TPV.
Are you? Watch out guys €¦

The only thing I€™m inclined to agree with you (and it€™s very hard to say that €“ agree with you!!) was the innumerous times you had recommend me to stop write on the boards, saying (SIC) €“
€œ90% of the readers are wankers and most of them even never ever visited Thailand. If you think you€™ve €œfriends€ now wait to see if you have a stumble. They will be on the first line to attack you without contemplations.€

Finally, because I€™m not hypocrite as you are, I can€™t €œwish you well in the future€, just a bye from now and see you soon, hopefully with a chair around us to get on and be able of looking at me eyes on eyes.

[69billy]

HI Franck...
Nice to see you live ,well and kicking....Pattaya is not same without you...
I'll be in Pattaya from 6 to 21 Feb,,I still got the same phon#..If you like to have drink or two give me a ring..
Good luck and take care...

[bbb2k2]

Oh my God, the saga continues...

I actually laughed so much reading this last post my drink almost came out of my nose.

And if this is Franck; several of your staff and freelancers in the bar told me you were a piece of shit when I frequented your bar back in July, this includes the little crossed eyed girl you wanted to marry. And who said you're a hypocrite? I think the consensus is your a conman, a piece of shit and a

Oh well, lets hope you survive your "bad health" and can see some of your previous "friends" in their eyes again soon.

[Guest]

It seems Frank is now muddying the waters to leave the reader unsure of the facts.
Comes across as a right nasty piece of work with his personal insults.
Shouldn't make any difference as unless you are some sought of mafia thug you should never be giving anyone unsecured personal loans.
People like Frank do not have friends. They just have people to use for there own benefit.

[batman4ever]

nice to see youre alive......

wheres my money??

[pacman]

Hello Franck.

Welcome back. You seem to be much better. That's a big effort to write such a long post. I just hope now that you have got all that off your chest you might join me in ending all these recriminations because no matter how valid your argument & how wronged you have been treated, you are not going to win support here.

Yes, this was the appropriate place to respond to Rossco, he had his go & now you have had yours.
I think the board owes you that much democracy but don't think of running your feud here. Those who can't & won't forgive you are going to use everything you say to attack you, strengthened by the virtue of holding the high moral ground.

God knows I did my best yesterday making a case for you. Whilst I don't condone your breaches of trust, I did give a few something to think about.

It was hard work mate but I don't have the time to start sticking up for you all over again. You will have to face all those who hate you alone, & as a recovering heart patient, you have much higher priorities.

Franck it is time to let all this shit go.

It doesn't help your post that you sound very bitter, especially after Rossco wrote without stooping to the level of personal degradation that has come to symbolise correspondence between you two.

I know how angry you are Franck but don't have a heart attack over the bullshit that will be coming your way after your post. Get better & if they want to accuse me of being your apologist that's fine. i can stick up for myself.

You know most reading this forum think you are in Bangkok, but regardless of whether I buy you a plane ticket or a bus ticket, as soon as debts are cleared & you are well enough to travel, we will have that party I promised. It's up to Stogie & Rossco if they want to turn up.

Personally I wouldn't miss it for the world. I have 1000's of reasons to attend.

[batman4ever]

(pacman @ Jan. 07 2008,21:41) Personally I wouldn't miss it for the world. I have 1000's of reasons to attend.

well iwe got 100 times more....