The Sad and Pathetic state of clubs in Thailand

[aktiv-passiv]

There's no better place than LOS to experience great holidays and have fun with beautiful, nice and often stunningly clever lbs. No place!

And all this does not cost you more than being imprisoned in some "all-inclusive"-Club in Ibiza, Mallorca, Egypt or DomRep where you can consider yourself lucky if you are allowed to fuck a middle-aged euroslut after 10 days of begging.

That's greedy, folks.

[PigDogg]

(doug @ Dec. 11 2006,16:39)  Ask one of the Guess bar girls who used to work in Cascades or Obsessions how much they actually got "paid" by the bars, and then how much they had to pay the bar in "fees", "fines" and "service charges".

I'd be quite interested in this info.

[olekunde]

the mamasan and papasan in some of the bars have by-the-minute over a specified time fines if the ladies are late. i'm not sure if goes for cascades.
also a minumum of drinks and barfines are expected.
so every barfine they are under this limit they have to pay themselves. again, this is not practised in all the bars.
basic salary in gogos is in the 5-15000b, and in the beer bars 2-3000, so if a bar has a minimum of 10 offs and 30 ladydrinks, it wont be much left if let's say a lady had a couple of offs and a handful of laddrinks. this can explain the pushiness of many of the not-so-goodlooking ones.


either way, the girls are free to quit the bar at anytime, and the internal rules and justice of a bar is not of my worries.

[geosight]

Moscow Bitch Bar where all the girls have degrees , play chess and can talk about Uranium decay

very funny indeed

[doug]

(olekunde @ Dec. 12 2006,11:36) either way, the girls are free to quit the bar at anytime, and the internal rules and justice of a bar is not of my worries.

Right, exactly.

If these girls want to work under patently unfair conditions, that's their business. Probably a big part of the reason most of them work in places like that is because they don't understand (or can't do the math) just how badly they are getting ripped off by the owners.

But whether or not the system is unfair to the girls involved isn't my concern. That's a topic for another thread which I would find very boring.

As you point out in your post, many of the girls end up paying for the "privilege" to work in these places. They often don't make the ladydrink quota or get fined too much for being late all the time (when have you ever known a ladyboy to be on time for anything?).

So that completely invalidates the point some people were trying to make about "paying for the opportunity to sit in a bar full of hot, willing girls and/or ladyboys".

It doesn't cost the owners of those bars anything (or very much) to put those girls there, so really, you're paying them for doing pretty much nothing. Sure, they act as a sort of "middle man" providing you with a meeting place, but it's not a very good place to meet, now is it?

Starting to see my point now, guys? If we're paying these guys to be "middle men", then they should provide a comfortable and fun experience for us. We should be allowed time to meet and get to know the ladyboy we'd like to barfine, and perhaps take our time to browse and make a selection that suits OUR tastes (and not have some aggressive amazon force herself on us and demand we buy her drinks just to cover her stupid quota).

In other words, a place like the Guess Bar. No pressure, take your time, pick the girl you like or maybe just take in the scene. For that, I'd gladly pay the bar owner for their "middle man (or woman)" services. Because they PROVIDE A SERVICE!!

The bar owners in Nana just fleece people for as much cash as they can get, and that attitude trickles down to their staff and the working girls too.

Do I really need to pay four times the going rate for a beer AND a 600 baht barfine just for the "privilege" of having the wait staff harrass me for tips, or the amazons harrass me for a lady drink, or the mamasan harrass me to hurry up and pick a lady already?

Is that your idea of fun? It's not mine. And I don't see the bar owner doing anything to earn my money. He's not providing a "middle man" service that I couldn't get for free on the internet. He's not providing a clean and comfortable and CONSIDERATE place for me to select the girl I want. And he's not providing a premium experience for my premium dollars.

From what I've seen here, the Guess Bar is a step in the right direction, but again, the fact that it's so outstanding only points out the deficits of our current options.

Good luck Jay. Hopefully, you'll enjoy such success that those dickheads will have to adopt your model and we'll start seeing an improvement in conditions across the street from you.

[kahuna]

(doug @ Dec. 12 2006,23:35) Starting to see my point now, guys?

We actually saw your point on page 1...We just don't care...

[Stewart]

Starting to see my point now, guys?

Frankly, no. I am looking at all my alternatives and Nana still looks pretty good value to me:

1. Go to Orchard Towers Singapore. Far more expensive than Nana

2. Go to a girlie bar in London or New York or Tokyo......second mortgage coming up

3. Buy a bar in nana. x million up front plus key money plus lady recruiting plus staff management plus plus

4. Stroll into any bar in Nana and buy a beer for 120 Baht and enjoy the show

What is your fucking problem??

[katoeylover]

(Stewart @ Dec. 13 2006,00:56) Frankly, no. I am looking at all my alternatives and Nana still looks pretty good value to me:

1. Go to Orchard Towers Singapore. Far more expensive than Nana

2. Go to a girlie bar in London or New York or Tokyo......second mortgage coming up

3. Buy a bar in nana. x million up front plus key money plus lady recruiting plus staff management plus plus

4. Stroll into any bar in Nana and buy a beer for 120 Baht and enjoy the show

What is your fucking problem??

Fucking Excellent reply, Stewart

[moe666]

We come to Bangkok for many reasonsussy,dick,ass,beer but the real reason is befcause it is cheap and you can have a great time no matter how much you spend. The bars have been shit pits since 1970, it really hasn't changed much even the guys who have to find something to whine about. I cannot believe this thread is still alive, kill it before it spreads.

[doug]

(Stewart @ Dec. 13 2006,00:56) 4. Stroll into any bar in Nana and buy a beer for 120 Baht and enjoy the show

What is your fucking problem??

Except that's not what happens, is it?

You don't get to just "stroll in".

You get yanked in by some aggressive tout at the door.

You get mauled by half-a-dozen amazons looking to mooch a lady drink off you (oh, and watch out for your wallet too!).

You get harrassed by some ugly troll of a waitress looking for a tip every time she brings you a fucking napkin.

You tapped on the head constantly by pissed off amazons whom you've had the audacity not to immediately bar-fine or chuck a ladydrink in their direction.

And then when you've finally run the gamut, and found a nice fuck for the evening, you get to pay the bar owner 600 baht for doing nothing other than shitting on your head and laughing his fat ass off at all the ignorant, hill-billy rubes who think Nana is some kind of heaven on earth.

Well, maybe your dick is too hard for you to think straight, but some of us still have the common sense we were born with.

Some day some nutjob from the south is going to get it into his head to come up here and chuck a firebomb into that shitpit. Then all you chuckleheads (the ones who survive at least) who are defending Nana now, will be the first ones to start whining about "how much money you've spent in there" and "why couldn't they bring it up to code at least" and etc.....

Like I said before, if you boys want someone to bend you over and rape your wallet, that's your business, more power to you. But you're damn fools, and you know it.

Try to defend those shitpits all you want, they are still shitpits.

Try to compare them to places with exchange rates 40 times higher, and all you do is demonstrate your ignorance of basic economics.

Compare apples to apples please. Instead of comparing what a Singaporean dollar or American dollar will buy you (not much, I agree). Try comparing what a thai baht will buy at places that don't cater to you fucking scrubs.

And no, I'm not saying that the places that cater to Westerner should do the exact same kind of bullshit ego-wanking that the Chinese or Thai guys seem to need, but I am comparing quality to quality, and in that regard, we get fucking jacked every time we step into one of those shitpits.

Whether or not your prefer the shitpit experience to the Ratchada palace experience is a moot point. The point I'm making is that the shitpit operators can afford to spend a lot more on us, but the don't. Not only do they spend less than nothing to keep those places going, but they actually charge the girls/LBs that are the whole reason we go into their shitpits in the first place!

So "my fucking problem" is this:

Nada.

I don't give a shit what you guys do or what those shitpit operators do. I'm just having fun venting some steam and ranting. So, if you want to get butt-fucked by them, that's your business.

Me, I prefer getting butt-fucked by ladyboys. So while you idiots are wasting half your money buying over-priced beers and paying barfines, I'll be walking around MBK hooking up like a fucking rockstar.

[relpax]

hhmm i wonder if we ignore hime....will he go away?

how about if we just nod our heads and tell him he is the brightest bulb in the bunch?

[Stewart]

Some day some nutjob from the south is going to get it into his head to come up here and chuck a firebomb into that shitpit. Then all you chuckleheads (the ones who survive at least) who are defending Nana now, will be the first ones to start whining about "how much money you've spent in there" and "why couldn't they bring it up to code at least" and etc.....

I'll agree with you on that one, but the rest of your comments are miles away from my perception!!

You don't get to just "stroll in".
You get yanked in by some aggressive tout at the door.

No I don't. I choose which bar I want to walk into

You get mauled by half-a-dozen amazons looking to mooch a lady drink off you (oh, and watch out for your wallet too!).

All part of the rustic charm....smile and think of zen

You get harrassed by some ugly troll of a waitress looking for a tip every time she brings you a fucking napkin.
You tapped on the head constantly by pissed off amazons whom you've had the audacity not to immediately bar-fine or chuck a ladydrink in their direction.

No I don't.....zeeeeeennnnnnnn

And then when you've finally run the gamut, and found a nice fuck for the evening, you get to pay the bar owner 600 baht for doing nothing other than shitting on your head and laughing his fat ass off at all the ignorant, hill-billy rubes who think Nana is some kind of heaven on earth.

I get to pay him 600 Baht to thank him for buying the bar, recruiting and managing a bunch of girls that I can choose from that I would never get to meet any other way, and filling my glass with something cold and refreshing.........a bargain

[bangkoksins]

So "my fucking problem" is this:

Nada.

If you say so.

The only valid point I can recall you making is about the fire hazard that Nana most certainly is.

Me, I prefer getting butt-fucked by ladyboys. So while you idiots are wasting half your money buying over-priced beers and paying barfines, I'll be walking around MBK hooking up like a fucking rockstar.

I just hope you do not get angry at MBK if the LB you find touches your head or you pay 50 Baht for chicken rice rather than the 25 Baht it normally is on the street.

Oh and there is loads of fake crap at MBK which you can buy such as LV bags etc after all we know LV is really ripping everyone off with their high prices.

LOL - Go to MBK and stop complaining, or should we expect another thread in a few weeks about how crap MBK is?

[olekunde]

i find it a bit strange that doug goes to mbk, that overpriced shitpit where you have to haggle about everything. and the foodcourt sucks shit.
just like tourists, when they first come to thailand they go directly to what reminds them most of the west - the shopping-malls, mcdonalds etc ..

also what a lack of respect hunting in public places. seems like you take it for granted all thais or thai lbs are hookers. i do my hunting in the bars cos i know for sure i can score and i wont offend someone and making an asshole out of myself.
all the girls have phones why not just call them and you dont have to be bothered with touts, tourists, drinks or anything, just the tip to the lady.
i wonder what happened to you since you have so much hatred towards the scene. maybe it was talesha that took your cherry ..

[mardhi]

Doug - I am curious - if your so anti the 'shit pits' at Nana, why after 3 weeks of being open and living in Thailand you have not gone into Guess Bar. After all, it seems that you complain about all the negative aspects of Nana and then ignore the one bar that sounds like your own version of an oasis in the jungle. Here you have someone who has listened to farang whining on the negative aspects of the existing scene, done something different and as such a vociferous commentator, you dont seem to be bothered to go and check it out. Just seems kinda strange to me.

Cheers
Mardhi