Blind fools in love...

[JaiDee]

(Eazy_Sleazy @ Nov. 06 2009,17:33)  Then you have an epiphany while you're taking a shit

Greatness!!

Hell Sleazy, with this forum for 18 mos now and only 29 posts?

lets get some more of your wisdom!!

[Eazy_Sleazy]

Whatever dumbasss, I've been in LOS scene since 89...post calculations don't mean shit.

[Naang Faa]

Well, then you need to read a bit further next time before you call me paranoid

:

That speculation comes from two years of reading your posts Doug.you
must admit i do pay attention to what you write,probably more than anyone here..

By warning the punters am I messing with the income stream of some of your "angelic" friends?  If so, too bad.

We are all post-ops Doug, we're are just a side note on these forums and
75% are either in Europe, Australia,retired or married..

Perhaps your little group of friends really ARE angels, and perhaps they've never done anything bad to anyone.  If so, that's GREAT and I completely understand and respect your desire to stand up for your friends.

Some have their moments Doug,but that's just it-moments it doesn't drive
their overall personality..
I live a relatively mainstream life Doug,take my grandson to nursery (kindergarten) dote on my lovely daughter,drink in the same winebar
with the same friends i have had since god knows when..i.e non-scene.
To do what i did and not losing a single friend must be rare in the west,
I choose my company wisely Doug.I haven't even slept with anybody that
lasted less than a 5 year relationship-i chose my lovers wisely also.(you can fit all the people i have slept with in a Fiat 500   )
As for the girls in our group, they are the most affectionate,non-selfish caring
and happy group of people i know..That's why i choose to spend so much time
on them..

However, you tend to do that by extending the same lovely attributes to of ALL the girls we might run into (both inside and outside the P4P scene)

No i don't.. Where i would just love to put a feather in the cap of
(our) post-ops by wild claims that all pre-ops and their hangers on are
lacking in integrity..I tend to go more on the lines that there is good and
bad everywhere,i am saying there is hope if you want it,just chose the right one,use your head not you dick..

Being careful about "choosing partners" has NOTHING to do with that.  How many "broken heart" threads should I unearth on this forum to prove that point?  Things may start out well, but later on, they spiral out of control and quite often the guy ends up on the losing side of that equation.

Choosing partners carefully has EVERYTHING to do with it..I don't fail why do you? It amazes me that when these relationships fail there is an automatic assumption around here that the girls intentions was sinister,
like it never just ran it's course like any other relationship may do-that's
black tinted panic like a tw@ glasses...
Do we know the facts of Chompoo? no,not yet..Looks (on the face of it at least,an attempt to poison a persons reputation through warning off potential lovers/sponsors in a sad attempt to make her need the guy-nothing new in this male action..Natalies may have just ran it's course with cotton, we don't know for sure her intentions were anything but good as yet....But just for the hell of it- they scammed the man-reinforces any prejudices you may have....Pathetic.The girls are relatively poor and guys
lavish gifts on them like you would any girl from any walk of life Doug.Just
because she walks away with cash or designer bags whatever so what,you
spoils of war were wiped away with a tissue....Do YOU dispute that? or do YOU need to borrow my glasses?

there's no need to get huffy if you don't like what I say.  I might jokingly say you're out of your flipping mind, but I don't call you "paranoid" or accuse you of "drug abuse" simply because you disagree with me.

OK i apologize for that, but when your opening gambit is to paint the
meth addicted ladyboy picture first..when i am talking about my particular group it's fair game..

I'm not sure why you have such a big problem with the things I say.  After all, the main drum that I beat is the mantra: "Don't come to Disneyland expecting to fall in love with Minnie Mouse".

 Because i spend many a time with Mr & Mrs Mouse that have outlasted
the tunnel vision people (like you) that are so sure it's destined for a disaster...It's disrespectful of the guys and the girls to be so cast ironed sure they are incapable of getting what they may want in life..You seem hell
bent on demoralizing guys before they even before they arrive,i tell them there is "hope" should they want more than a sex holiday..

 

I mean, that guys should try to be a good CUSTOMER: cut the bullshit, treat the girls with respect, and pay them for a job well done.

Agreed, if your intentions are to be a customer....


 

I notice that you never get on my case when I come down hard on some doofus punter who thinks he can treat these girls like shit.  You don't have any problem with me telling those douche bags to get lost.  But you do seem to always pipe up with something to say when I talk about the bad behavior of some of the girls.  Why is that?  Are the guys the only ones to blame with things go sour?  Are these plucky little "businesswomen" of yours completely without flaws?

No, because i my issues are not based on hatred,it's based on issues
I am not going to get on your case just because you are Doug.
I actually look forward to your posts and weirdly enough i think i could
bar with you and argue the toss all day and have a right laugh..

My "angels" Doug when they don't work...
 Stay away from the bright lights the farangs..
 Go up north Bangkok to relax..
 Dress well, no bad language in public, no need to make it obvious
 and embarrass the normal Thai population.
 Go to Ayuttya or Hat Yai float down rivers on rubber rings on
 day outs..
 Drive  for miles out of Bangkok to restaurants we like..
 Always take care of one another..
 Nurse each other when needed..
 Love one another (though we do have little squabbles especially me
 and the boss 555)
 They DO NOT LIVE TO WHORE,THEY WHORE TO LIVE!

   When drugs has been an issue...3 times
 
  1st girl was virtually under house arrest going cold turkey by
        her lb Mae missed 2 months of work in Switzerland and
        the riches that brings,to get her off the shit..
 2nd A girl goes AWOL for months..Comes back it's clear shes been on
        a drug bender..She was no longer welcome and ousted from the
        group (though we do keep in contact from a distance) Because we
        we don't want that influence on the younger girls because we care
        about them like they are our own..and we don't need trouble brought
        to our doorstep..
3rd  Bit of a wayward wildchild,but the actual sister of my personal fave..
        She got caught by the police..Her sister left her in the monkeyhouse
       just long enough for the free government haircut before bailing her
       arse out...Tough but fair,she's been a model citizen since that day..

  We do not just turn a blind eye to bad behaviour,we do police ourselves..
  I do not think scamming/marrying for moneys sake is right..nor do i
  think guys keeping a trophy doormat...

 If i see them in rose tinted glasses it's because they deserve it...
 I don't judge them by their job, only on what they are like as people.
 These are the girls i am surrounded by and although i think they are
 special i don't in anyway think they are unique.We are not without
 our flaws,some have issues, it goes without saying,every person in the     world does but it's not a one way street to having a malicious personality...

I am not Tokyo Rose Doug but i really don't think the girls get a fair trial,
and when i get told people don't "think" these girls are capable of love
in the purest sense..I will push my rather ample 38 Es in the mire and
tell you i KNOW otherwise...

                                               x

[whore]

Wasnt it your group of shark eyed posty scammers that have an emtpy room they all pretend to live in when they have a farang round in order to recieve donations? and is there any room for me in your fiat 500?

[Naang Faa]

(whore @ Nov. 06 2009,15:12)  Wasnt it your group of shark eyed posty scammers that have an emtpy room they all pretend to live in when they have a farang round in order to recieve donations?

Yes, i did point out it was a joke for the simple minded on this forum...

is there any room for me in your fiat 500?

You have more chance of being under it

x

[whore]

You have more chance of being under it

[kahuna]

(Naang Faa @ Nov. 06 2009,21:25)

is there any room for me in your fiat 500?

You have more chance of being under it  

                                                 

Damn, that was a swift kick in the nuts...

[BlueBallz]

Well, I ahve to now. Is Doug an American???

[thaibound]

(BlueBallz @ Nov. 06 2009,12:05) Well, I ahve to now. Is Doug an American???

my grammatical deconstruction of his posts on this thread makes the likelihood of his being educated in the usa around 85%.

but the real question now is -- where did you learn to type? no wonder grumpy retired.

and as long as i'm taking up space:
jai dee, not one? seriously? not one? come on. really? i mean.... really??
and
socrates, congratulates on the long-term success with your teerak
-- and for starting the most entertaining thread i've read here in quite a while.
the key word there being "read" as pretty much any of BB's photo-essays entertain me more.
as for any actual comment on the issue of 'to butterfly or to love' -- i still find my balls too precious to lob them up in front of this sharp-witted crowd so i'll keep my opinions on my privates, private, but...aphoristically speaking:

there is no excuse for intentional unkindness.
fool me twice, shame on me.
there are no mistakes.
people in glass houses should pick up the baby
and put the rock down.

[robbo]

fuck fuck fuck,ive not looked at this topic for a while and ive been missing out on the bitching,shit! right who can i upset,got to get in the act here somewhere here,as my mate says " im not racsist or xenophobic or dislike anybody else more than any other.......i hate you all equally ya bastards,your all the fuckin same"

[robbo]

(Eazy_Sleazy @ Nov. 06 2009,17:33) Asian women or ladyboys are "temporary hires", PERIOD.  The cycle repeats itself....one year, you're in love with the "ONE", and stop mongering.  Then you have an epiphany while you're taking a shit, and think "I don't need to monger anymore"..."I really love this lady and I know it's going to work out, I'll never cheat again blah blah blah"...but you still want to monger as you wipe your ass.  You flush the toilet and then remember your escape plan...how am I going to dump this lady?  Okay, Hide the gold (check), hide my cash (check) and passport (check)...then run for the border while she's at the beauty shop (uh, check, maybe).

Oops too late!!!!  Then while your drunk passed out in bed...the bitch goes psycho about 3am, breaks your TV and sunglasses and rips up all your pictures... So you dump her even after the make-up sex, monger for another year, then find the next one and do the same shit all over again.  Hey man, who cares enjoy the ride it only lasts ONE lifetime!!!  Once a monger always a monger!!!!!!!!!

EAZY SLEAZY

like it or not this guy is correct.
its a fickle and cynical dog eat dog world,walk around with rose coloured spectacles on all the time and youll get eaten. some times a clear lens will do you a favour.

[doug]

(Naang Faa @ Nov. 06 2009,20:24) That speculation comes from two years of reading your posts Doug.you
must admit i do pay attention to what you write,probably more than anyone here..

Yah, I know you want my sexy bod. Get in line, toots , hahah!

(Naang Faa @ Nov. 06 2009,20:24) We are all post-ops Doug, we're are just a side note on these forums and 75% are either in Europe, Australia,retired or married..

Nationality has nothing to do with it. If she's a bar girl, then a guy should be careful, period. There's nothing paranoid about that, it's just plain common sense. People (on BOTH sides of the equation) don't participate in the P4P scene unless they've got some issues. Some are more severely "touched" than others so a bit of caution is completely reasonable.

(Naang Faa @ Nov. 06 2009,20:24) Some have their moments Doug,but that's just it-moments it doesn't drive their overall personality..

Yah, and if in one of those "moments" they happen to destroy someone's life in a fit of rage or jealousy, I'm sure you'd still stand by them and excuse their behavior. You're loyal to your friends, and that's admirable, but I'm just trying to help the guys here avoid the lasting damage one of those "moments" can leave.

(Naang Faa @ Nov. 06 2009,20:24) I choose my company wisely Doug.I haven't even slept with anybody that lasted less than a 5 year relationship-i chose my lovers wisely also.(you can fit all the people i have slept with in a Fiat 500   )

Please point out where I criticized your behavior. What you do with your time and your lovers is entirely up to you. To each his/her own, right? If you must know, I've had somewhere in the range of 500 to 1000 sex partners in my years (I'm not entirely sure). I'm not saying that's better or worse than you, but it's definitely more experienced, correct? So when we compare your Fiat 500 to my Boeing 777, it's like apples and oranges. Which is the better path is a matter of choice, however the one thing you cannot deny is I've had a hell of a lot more experience (both positive and negative) in this matter than you.

I'm trying to share the fruits of that experience with the guys on this forum. If one of my long-winded tirades helps some guy avoid some of the pitfalls I've blundered into, what's your problem with that? Quite frankly, a lot of your criticisms of my posts come off as a bit naive. Have sex with a few hundred more people and you might start seeing things from my point of view too.

I'm not being paranoid or cynical, I love spending time with the nutty girls I find on the P4P scene, but I have the common sense enough not to stick my hand in a woodchipper, and likewise I have the common sense enough not to try to bring Minnie Mouse outside of Disneyland, because her "magic" doesn't extend to the real world.

(Naang Faa @ Nov. 06 2009,20:24) As for the girls in our group, they are the most affectionate,non-selfish caring and happy group of people i know..That's why i choose to spend so much time on them..

Well, you're not a customer. Try paying those girls for their companionship and you'll see a significant shift in the dynamic of your friendship with them.

(Naang Faa @ Nov. 06 2009,20:24) Choosing partners carefully has EVERYTHING to do with it..I don't fail why do you?

Huh? Who said I failed?

I have a perfectly happy and stable relationship with my girlfriend, but that's in REALITY-land. She comes from a background about as far removed from the bar scene as the pope. If her parents ever found out about the freaky stuff she gets up to with me, they'd probably kill me and lock her away in a closet for 40 years. In fact, 90% of the reason I'm so cautious is for her sake, not my own. She's a great girl, but the fact is this is Thailand and she comes from a conservative, central-Thai background, so the slightest whiff of controversy can have serious social consequences. Thai people LOVE to gossip, and a lot of business is conducted on the basis of personal relationships and connections, so a bit of negative gossip can actually have very real consequences.

Guys who think they know what Thai women are like based on their run-ins with bargirls have no fucking clue what they're talking about. Thailand is one of the most socially conservative countries I've ever lived in. I swear, dating in this country is like reliving junior high all over again. NORMAL Thai people tend to spend YEARS "looking" AT a prospective mate before they'll even consider becoming boyfriend/girlfriend. Everything from personality to family background has to be measured, re-measured, evaluated, and re-evaluated against some complex social metric.

So don't think I'm cluelessly blundering around randomly picking "girlfriends" out of hat. It took months before I could even get my girlfriend to go see a movie with me, so I know A LOT about biding my time waiting for the right girl. But again, that's a REAL relationship.

I think that's why you are disagreeing with my posts. You're confusing REALITY with Disneyland. When I talk about "how to fall in love" or "treating girls like they were made of plutonium", I'm speaking strictly about how a guy should behave within the P4P scene.

Within that context, "choosing a partner" has an entirely different meaning. We're not talking about choosing a serious LIFE-PARTNER, we're talking about choosing a temporary dance-partner for a tumble between the sheets.

If I'm choosing a life-partner, then of course I'm very careful. Probably moreso than even you. But if I'm sitting in a shitpit in Nana, I'm not judging girls based on that same standard. I'm just looking for someone who'll provide a bit of fun for the least amount of hassle.

Hassle is a big thing for me. I really, really don't like it and I try to avoid it as much as possible. So the only thing I want from a bargirl is ZERO drama. My recent encounter with Blair from Cascades is a perfect example of that. I knew in the bar that she was going to be trouble, and so I left alone, but later on when I saw her in front of Big Dogs, I figured, "aw, what the heck. She's a hottie, I'll take a shot". However, once we got to the hotel, she started talking on the phone with someone else and bleating to me about being paid up-front. In other words, DRAMA.

I just simply got up and left. I don't debate, I don't haggle, and I don't try to convince her that I'll be a better lay than the other punter she's got on the phone. I just put my shoes back on and walked out the door. Zero drama is my only criteria for "choosing a partner" out of a shitpit like Nana.

If I "fail" at that, so what? I just dump her and go back to find someone else. No harm, no foul.

But that's not what you see on these forums. Here, we see stories every month about guys who try to "win" a girl like Blair with money and gifts, while at the same time continuing to monger (while she does the same too). Then, after the inevitable trainwreck, they get on here and tell their sob story in an attempt to gain our sympathy (when instead they usually just entertain us with their idiocy). All I'm saying is that allowing a girl like Blair access to your REAL life would be FUCKING STUPID. Trying to turn a girl like that into a "life-partner" would be like trying to camel into a shoebox full of cobras. She's just not going to FIT, and trying to force her into that situation can be ruinous at the least, and downright dangerous at the worst.

So all your talk about "choosing partners" is about a completely different kind of thing. I'm not talking about picking and choosing girls out in the real world. I'm talking about the stupidity of trying to bring a working girl out of her element and making her conform to social norms she abandoned when she started working in Disneyland. I'm NOT saying those girls are "bad people", I'm just saying that it is a path frought with peril and all I'm saying is that guys would be wise to avoid it.

Minnie Mouse STAYS in Disneyland, period.

(Naang Faa @ Nov. 06 2009,20:24) It amazes me that when these relationships fail there is an automatic assumption around here that the girls intentions was sinister, like it never just ran it's course like any other relationship may do-that's black tinted panic like a tw@ glasses...

I never assumed that. But there you go again, rushing to defend the girls without paying attention to what I'm saying to the guys.

How many times have I come down hard on guys on this forum for being complete idiots or treating the girls poorly. A LOT. And yet you've never once rushed to defend those poor sods from my verbal lashing.

You look at my dire warnings about getting emotionally mixed up with these girls and you think I'm pinning all the blame on the girls. However, you're ignoring the fact that more often that not, I'm pinning most of the responsibility for the trainwrecks on the GUY.

(Naang Faa @ Nov. 06 2009,20:24) Do we know the facts of Chompoo? no,not yet..Looks (on the face of it at least,an attempt to poison a persons reputation through warning off potential lovers/sponsors in a sad attempt to make her need the guy-nothing new in this male action..Natalies may have just ran it's course with cotton, we don't know for sure her intentions were anything but good as yet....But just for the hell of it- they scammed the man-reinforces any prejudices you may have....Pathetic.

Case in point. I've said nothing about Chompoo or Natalie. I looked at that website about Chompoo and my only reaction to it was "wow, that guy is really sad and pathetic". I'm sure a lot of what he said was false, but I'm also sure that a lot of it was probably true too.

Given Chompoo's recent reply, I'd say there were definitely two sides to the story. However, assigning blame has NEVER been the point of any of my posts. Which is why I haven't really been motivated to join in on the Chompoo and Natalie threads because it's just immature he-said/she-said bullshit.

What I think is pathetic is that this idiot married "Minnie Mouse" and tried to bring her out of Disneyland. How fucking dumb is he? After reading his tales of woe on that website, I'd have to say he's pretty fucking dumb.

And he's dumb not because he allowed Chompoo into his life. He's dumb because he married her WHILE they were BOTH still in Disneyland. In other words, he had absolutely no intention of given up mongering after he got married and he never took the time to LOOK at Chompoo to ensure she'd truly given up her other clients too.

Once they got married, he decided (in his mind) that he could continue prowling the P4P scene exactly as before while Chompoo had to suddenly morph into the model spouse. Meanwhile, Chompoo was probably thinking the exact same thing. In other words, two very immature people tossed together like cats in a bag. Is the result really a surprise?

As for who is to blame, I'd say that a 50/50 split is fair, but again, who cares? BOTH of them should have known better.

(Naang Faa @ Nov. 06 2009,20:24) The girls are relatively poor and guys lavish gifts on them like you would any girl from any walk of life Doug.Just because she walks away with cash or designer bags whatever so what,you spoils of war were wiped away with a tissue....Do YOU dispute that? or do YOU need to borrow my glasses?

Phfffttt!

I don't "lavish" gifts and cash on anyone, not even my girlfriend. Heck, she's got way more money than I do, so what would be the point? If she wants a designer bag, she can go buy one for herself with her own damn money.

I don't "lavish" gifts and cash on waitresses in restaurants, sales clerks in the Mall or anyone else who's just doing their job. So why would I lavish gifts and cash on some bargirl who's just doing her job? We agree to a price for her services, have a great time, and if there was zero drama and good service, she gets a tip. Why on earth would I feel the need to buy her a LV bag just to get her to "like" me??

Fuck that.

If she "likes" me because I'm a good customer, that's great. If she just goes through the motions because she hates her job, that's OK too, just so long as she doesn't hassle me for it.

But I don't live in the kind of world were a guy needs to "lavish" girls with gifts and cash, as if it where the "duty" of the male in a relationship to dole out the "spoils of war". Sorry, honey, but this is the 21st century we live in. Those caveman values belong in the 1950's, not the 2010's.

Every REAL woman I know is perfectly capable of supporting herself with a REAL job and thefore perfectly capable of buying herself all the toys and baubles she wants for herself and by herself.

It is NOT my responsibility to dump purses and jewelry in her lap just to keep her happy. If that's what she needs for happiness, she can go find some other muffinhead to play that game with, because it ain't gonna be me.

MY money gets invested in my business or saved a rainy day. In these MODERN times, it is the MUTUAL responsibility of the man and woman to provide for their family. Which means she and I BOTH have to squirrel away money for things like a house or our kids college education. I don't need to BRIBE my girlfriend with Chanel or Dior. In order to keep a quality woman like her around, I need to demonstrate the fiscal maturity and responsibility that shows I'm ready to provide a stable home for her kids one day. Buying her a $2000 handbag would only prove that I'm a total DORK.

If some poor girl equates money with love, that's her malfunction, not mine. I certainly wouldn't go near her with a 10-foot pole. And I DEFINITELY would not develop an emotional bond with someone who valued money over love. And I ABSOLUTELY would not "fall in love" with a bargirl who's just doing her JOB. If I did something that dumb, I might as well go to Sizzler and try to woo the hostess into giving me extra toast (I LOVE their toast, btw) by bribing her with promises of love and Louis Vetton.

(Naang Faa @ Nov. 06 2009,20:24) You seem hell
bent on demoralizing guys before they even before they arrive,i tell them there is "hope" should they want more than a sex holiday..

Yep, and that's exactly why I accurately say you've got on rose-colored glasses.

I'm not hellbent on demoralizing guys, but neither am I going to participate in enabling their DELUSIONS (which you seem to do).

It's not about "hope", it's about REALITY.

If the guy is coming here on a sex holiday, then he shouldn't be "hoping" for a damn thing (other than a good time!).

If he is "hoping" for something MORE, then he's a damn fool!!

Why? Well, in spite of what you think, it's NOT because I believe the girls aren't "worthy of love".

No.

The situation is "hopeless" because the guy is coming here for a sex holiday!

A

SEX

HOLIDAY

Let that swirl around in your brain for a minute until you realize just how fantastically naive you're being.

Any guy who is contemplating travelling halfway around the world for a "sex holiday / WIFE HUNT" is a fucking idiot. Those two things are on completely opposite ends of the "maturity spectrum". If a guy is still mongering, then he is NOT ready to make the plunge into matrimony! ESPECIALLY with a bar girl!

It's INSANE to think otherwise, and anyone who does is a deluded fool.

If someone wants to come on a sex holiday and have a great time, GREAT! Good for them. As long as they keep their heads screwed on straight and a box of condoms in their pocket, they'll have a great time.

But if they're coming to Thailand to look for a WIFE, what the fuck are they doing in a BAR?? The girls working in those bars are the largest concentration of women NOT ready for marriage in Thailand. You'd have better odds of finding a good wife in a Thai men's prison than in a gogo bar.

I'm not saying there aren't good girls in those bars, I'm saying that even the good ones aren't READY for marriage BECAUSE they are still working in a bar. Once they are out (and I mean truly OUT) of the scene for a few years, then (maybe) they may be ready for "true love". But to look for that special lady on a rotating carousel? Come on, even you have to admit that's a bit naive and foolish. Right? (or at the very least, highly unlikely)

(Naang Faa @ Nov. 06 2009,20:24) I actually look forward to your posts and weirdly enough i think i could
bar with you and argue the toss all day and have a right laugh..

Yah, that would be fun. But I don't think you'd be able to keep your hands off me. I'm one sexy mo-fo .

[f0xxee]

I like you Doug!

[Socrates999]

(Naang Faa @ Nov. 06 2009,20:24) ... you can fit all the people i have slept with in a Fiat 500  ...

Sure you can... 1 at a time!

[thaibound]

(Socrates999 @ Nov. 06 2009,21:46)

(Naang Faa @ Nov. 06 2009,20:24) ... you can fit all the people i have slept with in a Fiat 500 ...

Sure you can... 1 at a time!

you can fit all the people i have slept with in 500 Fiats.

simulfuckingtaneously too, by golly.

though i'm not so sure about their luggage