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  • #16
    Stogie makes a good point that craziness is relative. What's nutty to me might not be nutty to someone else. And what is nutty in one culture might not be considered nutty in another.

    The type of craziness I'm referring to is NOT things like manic depression, schizophrenia or psychotic disorders in which the primary problem is mania, hearing voices, having nonsensical delusions or extreme paranoia.

    The nuttiness I'm referring to is along the lines of personality disorders, especially borderline personality disorder. Dysfunctional personality traits like excessive jealousy and excessive reactions to stressors also seem to me to be more common among the transgendered. Again, I'm not saying all TS women suffer these. Further, these are my own impressions, not any sort of dogma.

    There are high-functioning transsexuals who are not "prozzies". Even they seem, IMHO, on average, a bit more neurotic than the average Jane. Then again, if they face constant questions about acceptance, passing, discrimination, etc., these environmental factors may be enough to make an otherwise well-adjusted person nutty... But even past any neurotic self-doubt, the dysfunctional personality flaws seem to make themselves apparent all too often.

    Peterpan seems writes that biology has "preprogrammed" us yet environment dictates whether a person acts nutty. He asserts that if you, "Take 99% of them OUT of this environment; and they would adjust and behave they way their new environment do, IF they stick to this new surroundings...." I tend to believe that people are not jellyfish simply responding to their environment in preprogrammed ways... they can ostensibly choose to use (or not use) their brains in determining how to respond to a particular environment. Unfortunately, a person who is nutty and who lacks cognitive insight (dumb) might not fare any better in a good environment, whereas a schemer who is smart and nutty might take advantage of the kindness of others within a new, better environment.

    Now the point of humility... nothing academic here, just my own impressions that a majority are nutty than average, and this view is, of course, limited by my "sample", the transsexuals I've met or known, most of whom are not "prozzies"...

    I do not have a sample of 3000 LB to draw on either.  

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    • #17
      (newwriter @ Jan. 20 2008,10:07) You point out that trannies don't have to choose to be prostitutes. Quite right, they don't. But perhaps the ones that do, evidently the cross section you are citing for your bullshit premise, are the crazies?
      Like I said, most of the transgendered women I have known are not P4P. I will let you speculate about the nutters who are prostitutes, based on your own experience.
      (newwriter @ Jan. 20 2008,10:07) As SwoonTV said, perhaps the topic should be re-labled "are all prozzies nutters?" or perhaps "Does making judgements on an entire section of a community based on limited interraction with a small subset who have special problems make me a stupid bastard or a bigoted arsehole?"
      See above. Also, no need to get your panties in a bunch.

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      • #18
        The nuttiness I'm referring to is along the lines of personality disorders...
        Look no further than the expat teachers struggling to earn a crust in Thailand.

        A more unstable bunch of people 'on the run' you couldn't dream of meeting.

        One of the biggest shocks to me when I first came over here to live was the amount and intensity of social cast offs that end up in this country. Transgendered ladies (in my own personal world) can never compare to the nuttiness factor of the weirdos that have imported themselves here to escape scrutiny.

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        • #19
          (statuesque @ Jan. 20 2008,09:52) As with having the choice not to be in that industry, I wouldnt know about that. In some instances, people dont have choices at all.
          The one instance I would agree with this is when a person takes advantage of their power over another...

          Examples include when a parent puts a child into prostitution, or when a person takes advantage of an obviously intellectually impaired or "retarded" (or whatever you want to call it) person and drives him/her into prositution.

          Surely poverty itself does not force anyone into prostitution. There are plenty of people who would rather go hungry, or take a menial job, than sell themselves for money.

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          • #20
            Surely poverty itself does not force anyone into prostitution. There are plenty of people who would rather go hungry, or take a menial job, than sell themselves for money.
            I agree with the first half of your statement. There are jobs by the million here in Thailand. Factory jobs, farm jobs. There are lots and lots of government initiatives for higher education and training also. There are lots of ways to make money for anyone with a bit of initiative.

            Prostitution in Thailand is the lazy option. It's fantastic money and the work is great. You pick and choose your customers and you get to come and go as you please.

            (I'm talking about prostitution as it applies to the farang market and NOT the servitude of endemic forced 'prostitution' in rural communities where young girls and boys are passed around by the locals.)

            A lot of 'personality disorders' come about when the seasoned prostitute comes face to face with a clash of cultures which appear confusing and impossible to reconcile. What used to be taken as a way of life is now held up to moral scrutiny and reviled by Western ideology.

            This type of conflict probably manifests itself even more so in people who are already confused by their sexual identity.

            I'm no expert but I'd say that staying sane is probably harder than going mad when faced with some of the obstacles of being a ladyboy in Thailand!

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            • #21
              (stogie bear @ Jan. 20 2008,13:40) I'm no expert but I'd say that staying sane is probably harder than going mad when faced with some of the obstacles of being a ladyboy in Thailand!  

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              • #22
                (Fred_Nguyen @ Jan. 20 2008,13:29)
                (statuesque @ Jan. 20 2008,09:52) As with having the choice not to be in that industry, I wouldnt know about that. In some instances, people dont have choices at all.
                The one instance I would agree with this is when a person takes advantage of their power over another...

                Examples include when a parent puts a child into prostitution, or when a person takes advantage of an obviously intellectually impaired or "retarded" (or whatever you want to call it) person and drives him/her into prositution.

                Surely poverty itself does not force anyone into prostitution. There are plenty of people who would rather go hungry, or take a menial job, than sell themselves for money.
                If Im not mistaken, Thai culture holds it in very high esteem to be able to take care of ones family. Ive come across that from the Icelandic movie Queen Raquela, when one of the girls there said something like, "..Im very proud to be able to help my family even with this kind of job.."

                So, maybe for them, the ends does justify the means. As long as they can support the needs of their family, and being in that industry assures them somehow of a certain financial capability, then theyre just happy to go with it.

                There is also that indescribable fulfillment that TGs savour whenever theyre with a guy, romantic or sexual. It affirms our femininity that we so overwhelmingly pursue in our lifetime. I guess you pair that with being able to please ones family and be culturally upright as well, then maybe having to choose to be in that industry doesnt seem such a bad idea after all for them.

                My 2 pesos  


                S
                Anything spent less than mad love is a waste of time

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                • #23
                  i remember someone calling me crazy cos i like both wearing women's clothes and fucking arse. it's a funny world, isn't it?
                  it's just Suzy, some kinda old CD in Sydney. hey, at least i don't charge u when i spooge your face.

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                  • #24
                    (statuesque @ Jan. 20 2008,13:51) There is also that indescribable fulfillment that TGs savour whenever theyre with a guy, romantic or sexual. It affirms our femininity that we so overwhelmingly pursue in our lifetime. I guess you pair that with being able to please ones family and be culturally upright as well, then maybe having to choose to be in that industry doesnt seem such a bad idea after all for them.
                    These are good points for how a person might rationalize her choice to be a prostitutes.

                    I sometimes wonder if the desire to take the female role sexually is more meaningful than the money. (That wouldn't seem to explain the ones that like to top though.)

                    I'm certainly not proud of myself in throwing any rocks at prostitutes, especially as SB writes when they are "already confused by their sexual identity", and who face challenges I could never dream of.

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                    • #25
                      (Fred_Nguyen @ Jan. 20 2008,14:02) I sometimes wonder if the desire to take the female role sexually is more meaningful than the money.
                      Theres a certain amount of truth into that, I think.
                      Femininity is such an elusive and abstract concept that one of the most tangible means to capture it is to have sex with a guy, regardless of being active or passive.
                      Trust me, when you sit down and really think long about it, defining what is truly female is unfathomable.  


                      S
                      Anything spent less than mad love is a waste of time

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                      • #26
                        Femininity is such an elusive and abstract concept that one of the most tangible means to capture it is to have sex with a guy...
                        Classic. This is one for the book.

                        One of the smartest, well put and most salient points of all.

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                        • #27
                          I have a 12 year old daughter I consider feminine. I hope she doesn't feel the need to capture it any time soon.


                          Don't worry, it only seems kinky the first time

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                          • #28
                            There is also that indescribable fulfillment that TGs savour whenever theyre with a guy, romantic or sexual. It affirms our femininity that we so overwhelmingly pursue in our lifetime.
                            You can add that one too Stogie bear...

                            Trust me, when you sit down and really think long about it, defining what is truly female is unfathomable.
                            ....and this also

                            Miss Statuesque,you truly are outstanding

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                            Forgot how this forum works  

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                            • #29
                              Of course your going to find the odd bod within our community..
                              But most of the guys here only experience of Transsexuals are working
                              girls where sadly drugs,bitterness and mistrust abound.........
                              It's not a Transsexual problem but the "business" they're in...
                              I think this sums it up perfectly.

                              I have to say though while I have encountered crazy LB's the worst has been serious problems with a lady.

                              I personally find the non-p4p scene more rewarding sexually and emotionally and for a couple of years now have not really bothered with it.

                              In the p4p scene though you will find all sorts.

                              It always makes me chuckle when a Thai lady says to me she does not like Thai men. I try to explain after having lived in many countries with many friends of different nationalities that we are all the same. Some are good and some bad.

                              Crazy is in the eye of the beholder. Of course there is crazy and completely nuts like the time I was making love to one lady and she went nuts - but not for the right reasons.

                              She was Philippina and lived in HK and she gave me the most frightening experience of my sexual life.

                              Some farang come to Thailand with all the wrong ideas.

                              I will tell you, one thing. Recently I was shopping with a gf, she spent over 10,000 Baht on underwear and as I had bout some stuff too (about 10,000 Baht's worth of bed sheets etc) we had big bags.

                              As a gentleman I was carrying them all.

                              One old farang guy made a funny smile at me and patted his wallet pocket, then when we were picking up coupons four other guys obviously on holiday were looking and smiling like I had been had.

                              LOL

                              She is much richer than I am and I am not poor. Sometimes this makes me sick about Thailand.

                              I will stop rambling now.

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                              • #30
                                 Thanks Naang Faa and stogiebear  
                                Im very honored  
                                Im really getting addicted to this forum!! Oh no, what if I become a "crazy transsexual" because of this?!? Hahaha!  


                                S
                                Anything spent less than mad love is a waste of time

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