hmmm, was wondering...

[rob69in]

(edooo20 @ Apr. 26 2006,19:49) But i am no familiar with the P4P ?

Maybe they see you as a walking atm.

P4P = Pay for Play

Believe me you will also be seen as a walking ATM, you are one of 100's of young lads I have seen "crash & burn" in the Philippines, The LOS, & Latin America, as i did when i was your age, younger actually, with a little real experience in these places you will get with the program, or be "home alone"

Even if you think we are all bald old farts full of shit, some of us have been travelling for about 27years, you learn the odd thing here & there. If you only learn one thing from us.

"Money Number 1"

[thaibound]

Money #1, but, #2 is:
Money.
as is #3,
and #4
and #'s 5-107.
I think around #108 comes bathing regularly, but i could be off by a bit there.
then, of course, #109 is
"more money".
and so it goes.

[vangough05]

edoo20 u are in along line of so called experts and hansum man who think they can buck the reality of Thailand. Get your hand of your cock and in to your wallet and while your there take a dose of reality pills . Your going to have a lonely LOS experience if u think age and brawn are going to get u a few free fucks and actually at around 1000 baht for a beauty is almost free anyway. 1000 BAHT and knowing what u get for your baht is better then hanging around some Western club with some white skank who really wants your wallet and house and proably had more fucks then u have had  
Get a life lttle fella and get with the program.
By the way you have a good day u hear  

[donnnnnny]

i have been traveling the asian sceen for 24 od years . iremember the first bar i walked into in del pilar st ermita (manila). this lovely in a tiny bikini sits on my lap i have a bar on that samson cant bend. i take her home for the night and fuck her sensless. she starts talking take me here take me there buy me this buy me that.she spots tyhe new kid on the block. hes 24 handsum as hell and hung like a horse. and is weston with money.i laugh my ass of and think about all the other girls i want to fuck and can fuck. so i decline her wonderfull offers to show me the philipines. Quick learner this bloke: EVER SINCE THEN I HAVE BEEN DOING THE ASIAN SCEEN AND KNOW IT LIKE THE BACK OF MY COCK.
NEVER HAD ANY SERIOUS RIP OFFS HAPPEN AND THATS BECAUSE I JUST GO ALONG WITH THE FLOW AND TELL ALL THE GIRLS AND LBS "ME BUTTERFLY"
MAI BEN RAI MEE NGUN.
M ost girls love to laugh but when all else is said reguardless of the great lover syndrome alot of guys get . money is number one
love thailand

[vangough05]

amen to that. I also rememebr the first time i walked in to del pilar. I even rememebr the name of the bar "Little Broaken Hill International Bar and Disco " Fucking long name but what a palce.It would have been about 24 years ago to, maybe it was u Donnnnny who bought me a beer It aint the place it used to be, thats why LOS all the way for me now

[rob69in]

De Pilar,

they were the days before that idiot mayor Lim and the morons that followed him wrecked the place, it was one of the best red light areas i have ever visited. I used to check into the fire house and wonder down into the bar and there would be a whole load of lovelys just waiting for your attention (at a price of course ) IF... you could just choose onei was greedy in those days so always wanted more than my bishop could handle off you went to the room around 0300hrs with your posse. about an hour later there would be knocks on the door from the GGs who didnt get a bar fine and let the party begin ( at a price of course )

Edoo i was 20yrs old on my first visit and while i was not hanging in the Tait along side mona herself i was no frankenstien and i was paying then and I am paying now, I suggest you wise up to the the real deal over in Asia and stop dreaming!!!!

[Guest]

Well excuse me for not taking your word for all you say, i believe its all about your attitude and the way you treat them. I mean sure, im young, im not that experienced, but neither am i stupid to fall for that shit after a night "buy me this buy me that" i guess you'r weak and give in to that, but i know I wouldnt, if she so got on her knees nude with a hardon.

If i can get all those thai and philipino ts that work on cam abort their work to entertein me on cam for free, i sure can get the escorts for free =) is what i think.

Just yesterday for exemple i spoke with the thai girl Neung, and without me even saying anything about thailand, she asked me if i will ever go to bkk, and if i do she said "i want to know you, ill take care of you"...sure sounds suspicious, but who knows, and for the record I even asked her, what you mean, like an escortthing?...and she said No...

And stogie bear, you seem like a sad old man speaking out of bad experience, all of that that you said i would feel after my frist trip, you seem to have gone through it, is that so?

[Guest]

First of all, this is going to be my first post/reply to this site. I've been reading the various topics throughout this site (not only interesting but informative also) and I just have this overwhelming need to reply to *edoo20 and his views about people and what their intensions are.  ...

First, of all I have one side, telling stories about their "personal" experiences of what one could "more-then-likely" expect to encounter when meeting people in these "Situations". I hear them discuss in detail, what to look for, where to look for it, what to say, what not to say, and how to prepare one's self when meeting NEW people. Pretty much a clear understanding that you better be "thinking" and being "cautious" to what's going around you at each of those places. All it sounds like is they're giving this guy (edoo20) information and what he needs to know, before he puts himself into a situation he doesn't want to be in.

Now, *edoo20 ?? What's this big chip on your shouder like you have some type of resentment to these guys, who's just offering you a word of advice ?? These guys sounds to me that (#1) They've been around, (#2) They've seen alot of things happen, and (#3) They've seen alot of things happen that "Could've been prevented". Basically telling you to "STOP, LISTEN, & THINK" with your brain.
Thousands and Thousands of people have been in your situation and your telling them their wrong and that they're some how jealous of what you've been able to get for free?? If you could just listen to yourself, you'd call yourself an idiot. If you could stop and Think with your brain and stop trying to think that your somehow better then everybody else because she did this and said that. Funny thing is ...sometimes it also sounds like your *talking with your heart: that somehow if you meet a girl that, she'll say that, "your different" and that for what ever reason you and what you've two shared and what you have to offer will has had a drastic changing outlook for her and makes her seem happy and all of a sudden falls in love with you (Because, your so romantic??? Gimme a Break..).  Because, it sure as hell doesn't sound like you want fukk-em and leave 'em. It sounds like your trying to romance one of them and try to sweep one off her feet  Get it through your head "FIRST"...Money is the only thing that's keeping her interested in you. Sooner or later your going to realize that "Money #1" ...Bottom Line !!...  and that "Money" will always be a factor.  

** You sure as hell ain't walking into those Bars with "Empty Pockets" and just "Your Good Looks **

[stogie bear]

Just yesterday for exemple i spoke with the thai girl Neung...

You have succesfully dimished any argument you had with that comment!

And stogie bear, you seem like a sad old man speaking out of bad experience, all of that that you said i would feel after my frist trip, you seem to have gone through it, is that so?

Uncanny. You got me, brother! It was just like that!

[stogie bear]

i believe its all about your attitude and the way you treat them

That's the first really smart thing you have said. I also believe that treating the girls well is important. Nice hotel rooms, dinners in fancy places, gifts on occasion etc... Yes we all do those things for our favourite gals and much much more besides.

But you still have to pay them cash!

They don't want to fuck you anymore than they want to fuck me, mate. They'd much rather be with their Thai boyfriend even if he is a wally. Sure you can get a few webcam freebies while they are waiting for customers with real money. I did this in my youthful days also.

If you knew our model Neung at all (and I do!) you would know that this charming sexy ladyboy of ours is one of the very best in the business.

Maybe I should hook you up with the "I fell for Chompoo" support group NOW and you can save yourself and your misguided ego a big let down!

Not that it's important because you'll never come over here anyway and I know why...

Car payment, school fees and apartment rental lease means that you're working some crappy job just to get by and even when you finish school or manage to bail yourself out of debt you'll be years away from the $4,000 you need for a trip here.

Tell me I'm wrong!  

[Guest]

Let me add my piece on this informative topic. I have been travelling to Los for 25 years and in that time I have had a mixture of non-working girlfriends and paid GG's and Lb's. Sadly I have only met 1 working girl that was happy to give me a few freebies. She was 18 years old and new to the scene and wasn;t sure if she really wanted to be a working girl. Within 2 weeks she had disappeared never to be seen again. So chances are if you stay around for a while you could meet a non-working girl and start a relationship. However, in the end you will pay in some way! Good luck and have fun!

[stogie bear]

(newcomer @ Apr. 30 2006,10:56) I have been travelling to Los for 25 years and in that time I... ...have only met 1 working girl that was happy to give me a few freebies!

You obviously weren't as hunky or as chivalrous as edooo20!

[kahuna]

(edooo20 @ Apr. 28 2006,20:57) Well excuse me for not taking your word for all you say, i believe its all about your attitude and the way you treat them. I mean sure, im young, im not that experienced, but neither am i stupid to fall for that shit after a night "buy me this buy me that" i guess you'r weak and give in to that, but i know I wouldnt, if she so got on her knees nude with a hardon.

If i can get all those thai and philipino ts that work on cam abort their work to entertein me on cam for free, i sure can get the escorts for free =) is what i think.

Hello Edooo20,

I'm a newbie to this scene also. I joined the forum last December I think with some thought to making a trip to LOS. Sure enough, on May 9th I land in BKK for 30 days of fun. I joined this site to learn. And if I've learned one thing from all these veterans that have visited LOS many many times and from those like Stogie that actually live in LOS, it's that money rules.

The big difference between you and me is that you're young and at least think you're handsome, while I'm very old and know that I'm ugly. But believe all these experienced guys when they tell you, that if the lady has an opportunity to go with you for free or with me and make money, they will choose me 100 out of 100 times. So for my first visit my only strategy is to bring lots of cash and buy every lady I meet a new air-conditioner (sorry DB - just joking).

Regarding the girls that work on the cams, how many mobil numbers and e-mail addresses would you like. I'll be happy to give you all I got this month without spending a penny and letting each of them know up-front that I'm old and ugly. Believe me young man, they do not work or fuck for free.

Best of luck,

Kahuna

[PigDogg]

For trip number one, keep it simple.

Go to the bars and pay for it. And it Pattaya, it's pretty cheap, 1000 baht all night. Finding non-P4P ladyboys on your first trip is not simple.

But as the Thais say, "it's up to you".

[PigDogg]

(kahuna @ Apr. 30 2006,12:36) and buy every lady I meet a new air-conditioner Kahuna

In Bali i bought the waria I was hanging out with a big fan. I went over to the place she shared with her cousin, a GG, and it was hotter than hell, and all they had was this tiny fan. So without then asking, I went out and bought then a big fan for about 20 bucks.