Lita's Bar: Karl's Birthday & Fantasy Competition

[bigkev]

I also doubt it.....but as an asthmatic,any time i spend in a smoke filled bar or club will be very limited. one day.....probably not in my lifetime,operators may realize the longer patrons stay ,the more they spend,and the better the environment,the more often they return. not my cash flow that's affected....saves me money.

[katoeylover]

(bigkev @ Nov. 06 2007,23:40) I also doubt it.....but as an asthmatic,any time i spend in a smoke filled bar or club will be very limited. one day.....probably not in my lifetime,operators may realize the longer patrons stay ,the more they spend,and the better the environment,the more often they return. not my cash flow that's affected....saves me money.

I realise your problem, but the same can be said by smokers. If we cant smoke,we spend less time in the bars etc,as they are finding out with the ban in the UK,especially in night clubs.

As Karl smokes, i dont think it will be happening soon.

[Ozzie]

(katoeylover @ Nov. 07 2007,09:09)

(bigkev @ Nov. 06 2007,23:40) I also doubt it.....but as an asthmatic,any time i spend in a smoke filled bar or club will be very limited. one day.....probably not in my lifetime,operators may realize the longer patrons stay ,the more they spend,and the better the environment,the more often they return. not my cash flow that's affected....saves me money.

I realise your problem, but the same can be said by smokers. If we cant smoke,we spend less time in the bars etc,as they are finding out with the ban in the UK,especially in night clubs.

As Karl smokes, i dont think it will be happening soon.

To be honest it is not really the patrons I am concerned about as they make a concious decision to enter a bar knowing smoking is allowed, It is more the workers in the bar that have the best argument for non smoking in the bar as most really have no choice but as they may not have any other job available to them For that reason alone I think bars should be non smoking.

[stogie bear]

as most really have no choice but as they may not have any other job available to them...

This is a joke, right?

[Ozzie]

(stogie bear @ Nov. 07 2007,11:24)

as most really have no choice but as they may not have any other job available to them...

This is a joke, right? *

Nope no joke at all. So should the workplace not be a safe environment for an employee? Passive smoking in effect is no different to not having scaffolding on a construction site or not being provided a mask when spray painting.

Many bar people do not have any other skills to be able to have the luxury of choosing any job.

It is only mildly inconvenient to ask a smoker to go outside but it makes a world of difference to the health of the employees. I worked as a bar manager for a few years and I developed chronic bronchitis during that time. After I left it was miraculously cured.

Also no evidence to suggest patronage and therefore revenue has gone down in fact the people who I talk to who work in this industry that I worked with years ago tell me the opposite is in fact true.

[stogie bear]

who I talk to who work in this industry that I worked with years ago tell me the opposite is in fact true...

I agree with this. Common sense will tell you that if the small amount of smokers are left outside then the majority of customers who don't smoke would be more inclined to visit, stay longer and probably pop by more often.

The scaffolding analogy doesn't work as scaffolding in Thailand is bamboo shoots and string. NOT like where YOUR home town is.

Many bar people do not have any other skills to be able to have the luxury of choosing any job...

Most people do not have the skills to be able to choose "any job." I wish I was the CEO of Microsoft! Most Thai ladyboy hookers are of above average intelligence and could easily do most jobs that most Thais do.

Obviously the best paying jobs require the most sacrifice. Maybe they could work in Chinese coal pits?

[Ozzie]

I am talking about what should happen not what does happen.

As far as choosing any job let me put this another way. Some people might say if they don't like working in smokey places then find another job but why should they? I believe everyone deserves to work in an safe workplace.

So if banning smoking makes it a safer workplace for the employees and generally improves the bottom line then why not do it?

[Torurot]

" I believe everyone deserves to work in an safe workplace."

Right with you on this one Ozzie. Bar owners should provide free Lube & condoms. They KNOW why their staff are being Bar fined. Casanova bar for a short time had a smoke free house.