Life with an LB in the suburbs.

[Guest]

PM I know we have had our differences on this board but I want to also wish you all the best and hope it all works out for you.

[rxpharm]

It is great to hear positive news on something many of us dream about. Congratulations to you both for coming this far, and continued best wishes as the relationship continues to grow.

Having followed your postings over time, it is good that you have found happiness with the right partner - relationships only work if you are willing to work in them. Good to see that is going on for both of you!

Much more happiness and great memories for you both in the future!

[Guest]

Great to hear your experiences......can you clarify a point tho.....You mention you put the pickup in her name etc etc.....but I wonder....Doesnt a house also have to be in a Thai name.....or have you got around that somehow???

[justbob]

Doesn't sound boring. Kinda happy and nice.
Justbob

[Ladyboy_Loser!]

The house is her name, I hired a highly recommended attorney from other farangs in the Surin area to draw up a Lease whereby I have a thirty year lease with options for an additional thirty. Given my age that will not be an issue. This lease gives me the right to do whatever I want with the home, sell, rent,tear down or anything else I might fancy. In the lease it is spelled out that she will inherit the property when I die. Since a marriage with an LB is not legal in Thailand and therefore not recognized if she were to try and screw me over she would be shit out of luck as this attorney makes sure the leases he writes are bomb proof. Also, I have more than enough money to hire a top attorney in Bangkok who specializes in case where Farangs are being screwed over by Thai ladys. I did not enter this marriage all wide eyed and madly in love, I asked for and got very good advice in all aspects before I married her and bought a home.

[Guest]

Nice story, keep it up.

What about her visiting USA?

And how's the Thai coming?

[Ladyboy_Loser!]

No shot for the foreseeable future in her getting a visa to come to the U.S. Maybe when same sex marriages are legal. However, since Vancouver, Canada does allow LB's to obtain a visa and it is only a stones throw away for the U.S.-Canada border I am planning on taking her there for a visit next year. This city has a very cosmopolitan feel to it, there is a large Thai presence in the city, the surrounding area is beautiful so she will get some idea of what North America looks like. This year though I am taking her on a second honeymoon to Paris on our wedding anniversery. Since I have been there myself it will be even more special. I can hardly wait to see the looks on the Frenchies faces when she walks the streets and into the shops and restaurants with me. She is a head turner wherever she goes and when she dresses to the nines, puts her makeup on to accent her beauty I just shake my head and wonder how I got so lucky. As far as learning Thai goes I have not given real serious thought to it. I find that it is easier said than done.

[Guest]

I'm trying to get May a visa to Canada in the next 2 weeks.

I let you know what happens.

[loip]

Hi,

Thanks for sharing this positive experience - always nice to see something working out. I am in a relationship which is working so far and I am at the (silly?) stage of re-assessing. Experiences atriculated like yours (whilst they shouldn't dictate someone elses' own decision) are always a great help at these times. If you don't mind (feel free to ignore if too personal) I have a few questions.....

1. Was your partner a P4P lb?
2. How old is she?
3. How old are you (roughly - nearest 10 years!)?
4. Does she speak good English?
5. Did you support her financially during your first couple of years (if you weren't living in LOS)?

Cheers

BTW - I read Stickmans 'Case against Sin....' as you suggested and now I am completely insecure!!!!

[mardhi]

(PogueMahone @ Apr. 08 2007,09:13) The house is her name, I hired a highly recommended attorney from other farangs in the Surin area to draw up a Lease whereby I have a thirty year lease with options for an additional thirty.  Given my age that will not be an issue.  This lease gives me the right to do whatever I want with the home, sell, rent,tear down or anything else I might fancy.  In the lease it is spelled out that she will inherit the property when I die.  Since a marriage with an LB is not legal in Thailand and therefore not recognized if she were to try and screw me over she would be shit out of luck as this attorney makes sure the leases he writes are bomb proof.  Also, I have more than enough money to hire a top attorney in Bangkok who specializes in case where Farangs are being screwed over by Thai ladys.  I did not enter this marriage all wide eyed and madly in love, I asked for and got very good advice in all aspects before I  married her and bought a home.

Is the HOUSE in her name (ie on the blue registration book) or the LAND.     If the house is in her name, you would be surprised at what little you could do it if things went pear shaped.     Foreigners can own the building, just not the land it sits on - however it needs to be your name on the house registration detail for it to have any standing.      

Having said that, personally, I would not get too caught up in the detail - the simple reason is that if things go wrong, the easiest solution is just to walk away from it and she keeps it.    She may already be aware that upon your death, she would inherit it anyway, whch might tempt some other action.  

As for using a hi-powered lawyer in Bangkok - the reality is that your not in Bangkok - could you imagine a scenario where you would feel comfortable walking about in the village if you fell out with her?    Thai's will stick together including all her village neighbours, hence my suggestion that if anything went wrong, just walk away.  To a Thai, owning the land is all they comprehend,  The lease title dont meet anything if your not alive to enjoy it if you get my drift.  

Incidentally, have you seen the land title for the property? With a 30 year lease (or indeed anything longer than 3 years), your name should have been added on the back together with the dates for which you have leased the land - without it, its unenforcable in law and neither is the 30 year extension (which is also not enforcable in the first place, so its academic to include something that has no legal foundation in the first place - Thai law only recognises ONE 30 year lease period, it does not recgnise any extensions however they are written.

Cheers
Mardhi

[brocklanders]

Mardhi is right on this topic.   Just enjoy your time there with your ladyboy wife and dont piss her off .  You dont actually own anything...the car and land is hers and if she wanted to, she could get the local yahoos to lock you out in a flash and there isnt a lawyer in Thailand that could actually do anything for you outside of getting you to dump worthless legal fees.

[Ladyboy_Loser!]

Yes I have taken all the precautions, my lease is for the thirty year period. I am listed on all the necessary documents. She was made aware of everything before we took the big plunge. Should things go wrong in the distant future everything is documented in both English and Thai. I am not worried thought, if push came to shove I would have one of the English builders that I know in Surin drive a backhoe onto the property and straight through the house. By the time he had finished there would be a pile of rubble six feet high spread across the property. Well within my rights as the leaseholder and there is nothing that could be done.

[Ladyboy_Loser!]

To answer Loip's questin.
1) Yes she was, in Bangkok for two years before I met her.
2) 24

[Ladyboy_Loser!]

Sorry I hit the wrong key. To finish the answers to your questions.
3) 60
4) Yes, it is improving on a daily basis. Can't same the same for my Thai langauge skills.
5) I refused to support her when she was working in her Bar. Other than paying her bar fine, taking her on holidays, giving her some extra money when I felt it was justified and the usual shopping trips she was on her own until I knew that she was serious and not some money grubbing skank out to fleese a Farang.

[mardhi]

(PogueMahone @ Apr. 10 2007,02:54) Yes I have taken all the precautions, my lease is for the thirty year period. I am listed on all the necessary documents.  She was made aware of everything before we took the big plunge.  Should things go wrong in the distant future everything is documented in both English and Thai.  I am not worried thought, if push came to shove I would have one of the English builders that I know in Surin drive a backhoe onto the property and straight through the house.  By the time he had finished there would be a pile of rubble six feet high spread across the property.  Well within my rights as the leaseholder and there is nothing that could be done.

Not too labour the point, but if the house approval and the house registration document are in her name - there is heaps she can do about you demolishing her property. Thats why I asked the question about the house registration document. 9 times out of 10 its in the Thai name, not the foreigner. In law, they are then considered to be the owner of the building, not the person who perhaps paid for it. If you were to demolish it, I doubt you would get out alive. Infact, if you were too get out alive, you would then be arrested and asked to pay AGAIN to re-build the house you funded in the first place AND pay substantial compensation. That house registration document is critical and as important as the land title in establishing who owns and leases what. Of course its all in Thai but at least you should be able to recognise your own name in Thai as with many westerners its 3 or 4 names, seperated by spacing, a Thai is rarely more than two names.

Not meaning to cast any doubt on the genuinity of the relationship and thats not the purpose - however forewarned is forearmed as they say.

Cheers
Mardhi