Take the one's they catch and cut off their peckers. Once it get's back to the rest that if they get caught alive doing their nasty business they'll think twice about it if it means losing the one thing that gives them the most pleasure in life.
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(Groundhog @ Jul. 01 2007,09:04)(BigTel @ Jun. 30 2007,18:35) Muslims would have you believe that not all Muslims are terrorists yet these days every terrorist caught or identified is a Muslim.
If you use that logic, then you be rounding up all the Christian nutsos in the US as med clinic bombers.
My reasoning is not a Fallacy it is a fact.
That you choose not to want to recognise this fact is entirely your own choice.If at first you don't succeed, Skydiving is not for you !
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(grunyen @ Jul. 01 2007,11:59)Could you detail some of these "all the Christian nutsos" ?
I can think of one. Maybe two.
you've committed the same fallacy again (Ad Hominem Tu Quoque) ... I never said there were lots of Christian terrorists , just that you'd be rounding up a lot of people because of your fallacious logic
... on the 'nutsos' part ... well, when grown people talk to imaginary friends, I worry ... but you can draw your own conclusions
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Yuo'd have to do a little more than that to claim fallacious logic on my part. When did I say anything about rounding anone up? I'm wondering if you understand how logic actually works.
BigTel made two very simple and straightforward statements, both of which are true. I don't see any flawed logic being possible since he wasn't even stating a conclusion based on the first two premises.
I don't care about how people are qualified as nutso's; you brought up that straw-man argument. I don't care about people talking to invisible gods, I care about people who want to cut off my head. You offered the canard of Christian terrorists, so it is your load to pull in defining what you are talking about. It's absurd for you to jut come back and say "I'm not thinking hard enough".
Name some Christian terrorists, or bombings or attacks by Chrisitan terrorists since September of 2001. You brought it up, so I'll wait for you on this one.
This week a Christian man in Pakhistan was abducted and gang-raped by 30 men while they beat him and directed him to convert to Islam. When was the last time you heard of Buddhists, Christians, or Hindu's do that?
You brought up Christian med clinic bombers, so back up your point.
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Weekly Jihad Report
Jun 23 - Jun. 29
Jihad Attacks: 62
Dead Bodies: 320
Critically Injured: 409
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Wow grunyen ... somebody put some work into that chart (but this still doesn't absolve you of fallacious logic)
But most of the cases are in Iraq, Afghanistan and Somalia which are in the midst of civil wars between Sunni and Shia. You can't call these jihadist in the Qur'anic sense (do you know the meaning of the term?)
Recognize that in Iraq, these forces would have been contained if we had left Saddam Hussein in power ... he was a secular leader whose model was Stalin. So the blame for these 'jihads' as you call them have to fall squarely on the shoulders of Bush-Cheney-Rumsfelt who wantonly targeted Saddam on false pretenses.
You choose who you think are the real terrorists
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I guess you skipped over the ones that happened yesterday in London, and the ones in Thailand on a daily basis, or Malaysia. Not to mention the bombing of the USS Cole, and the first attack on the WTC in 93.
I'm not really sure I see your point groundhog. You seem to want to stick your head in the sand and pretend this isn't happening, or that it's not a big deal, or that Bush somehow caused it to happen.
I own a Qur'an that is well marked with highlighter marker and has color coded indexed tabs to relevant passages about women, war and attack, money and economics, Jews and Christians, and converting, killing, or subduing "unbelievers".
Do you own a Qur'an, have you really read it? Really? Honestly? Every twelvth verse is an instruction to kill or convert infidels.
I don't really understand people who say "Oh, it's just a civil war between Sunni and Shia". As if that puts in in a little box all wrapped up and easily disposed of. That civil war phrase is just a polite way of saying Muslims are slaughtering other people, including other Muslims in the name of religion, and by using terrorist attacks. So you've basically argued my point for me.
These forces were not "contained" when Saddam was in power because most of them were not in Iraq. These people are coming in to the country from Syria and Iran. Every time coalition troops capture or kill terrorists in Iraq, they are carrying weapons and supplies manufactured months ago in Iran. As for those forces that were "contained" while Saddam was in power, they were "contained" by him slaughtering his own citizens, anyone who opposed him. Is that OK with you? You prefer to let Saddam do the killing, or at least the terrorists, but the US shouldn't ever kill anyone? You have some pretty weird logic yourself.
You also didn't mention Darfur, where Muslims are slaughtering Christians and other Muslims. You can't even make an argument that Bush caused other people to become terrorists when they have been doing the same thing since the 60's and 70's before anyone ever heard of Bush II. Anyone remember Carter and terrorism? Hmm..... Who caused that? Mickey Mouse? Tell me some more about how it's America's fault that terrorists are blowing up trains in Spain, and London, and Thailand, and Nigeria, and Darfur.
I have yet to see your list of Christian terrorists.
Talking about choosing. You're blind as a bat and you put the blindfold on your own head. A little to tight if you ask me. You need a little bloodflow up there.
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I own a Qur'an ( the Yusif Ali translation with side by side Arabic) and have read the translation completely, as well as some of the Hadith (though I haven't highlighted my Qur'an, which is a bit of a no no).
And I'd say that you haven't got it right on the content. About a third is commentary or extensions of Bible stories, and a lot of the rest deals with rules for daily living in the environment of 7th century Medina.
But, you've strayed from the thread... I took you to task for logical fallacy and sloppy argumentation (no doubt you spend too much time reading skanky old Ann Coulter who can't tell a proposition from a premise let alone construct any sane sort of categorical syllogism)
And ... sorry ... but I just couldn't help yanking your chainbecause you were trolling (do you know what trolling is?) ... why else would you start a thread with that sort of inflammatory heading
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I think my thread opener was absolutely clear. And since you haven't responded in any way to my original request, why are you bothering to post here?
You haven't backed up any of your claims. You accused two people of logical fallacies without any explanation, you brought up a red herring of Christian terrorists which you haven't backed up.
Obviously you waded in over your head, why don't you just leave this thread since you have nothing to contribute. And BTW, why would I give a crap if someone else thinks marking up a Qur'an is a "no no"? I'm not afraid of invisible people, it's the followers that concern me.
I have the same translation, and I'd be more than happy to post the pages and pages and pages of hate in the Qur'an, Haddith, and Sunnah.
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I'm curious, grunyen....
Do you have the so-called 'Satanic Verses' highlighted in your Qur'an, and what notations have you made?
... whether or not you do ... do you think Salman Rushdie deserves his fatwa (and the price on his head which is still being offered by some Iranian org'n) for his interpretation of the verses?
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You could make the argument(and I am) that the Iraq war is terrorism; state sponsored, but terrorism nonetheless. The country was attacked under clearly false pretenses. The people responsible for the attacks were mostly Christian and Jewish. The country has been wrecked and contaminated with D.U. By most estimates there have been over 60,000 civilian deaths since the invasion and subsequent occupation.
So there's your terrorism perpetrated by Christians.
Civilian death toll in Iraq: http://www.iraqbodycount.org/
http://www.democracynow.org/article....5/12/14/154251
Depleted uranium in Iraq: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/95178_du12.shtml
http://www.truthout.org/cgi-bin/artm...w.cgi/37/11023"Bankin' off of the northeast wind
Salin' on a summer breeze
And skippin' over the ocean, like a stone."
-Harry Nilsson
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The whole controversy over the three "Charlie's Angels" daughters and the satanic verses takes a big back seat to me, I'm much more concerned about the other 99% of the Qur'an that just says Jews are apes and pigs and even the rocks will cry out to murder them when a Jew hides behind a rock.
What in the world would make you think I favor any religiously mandated "fatwa"? Rushdie is a fiction writer, and not a particularly good one at that. His novel TSV is the only reason anyone has heard of him. Much like the musical "Rent", controversy alone has created the hype.
This and the mohammed cartoon incident just goes to show you, this is people who hold invisible people in the sky more important than other human beings. My point being that these are not wacko outsider muslims- these are the people who are actually reading the book and applying what it says as open ended commands.
I originally asked for input and verification that these things are actually happening in Thailand on a daily basis, and I got that. I don't see any more progress on this thread, and you (GH) have stuck your foot in and failed to back up any of your claims, so I'm likely done continuing this thread.
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... yo ... chill dude ...
I just asked you to share your notes from where you highlighted the Satanic Verses in your Qur'an
(interesting ... you may be the only person in the world that reads Ann Coulter and has a heavily marked up Qur'an ... shame on you for both)
BTW, did you know that Muhammed's 11th wife (Safiyaa) was Jewish ... it was a political marriage (he was probably too old to get it up by that time). At the time, there was little difference between the Arabian Jews and Muslims... most of the Arabian Jews were illiterate (as was everyone at the time) and didn't know much about their own religion. The Qur'an definitely does not have a lot to say about them, and certainly doesn't talk about killing them. That's just silly.
Rushdie ... I love the guy; he is a brilliant writer ... though if you are just starting out, I'd say Midnight's Children is the best. He uses lots of big words, though, so you may want to yank out your Funk&Wagnalls
... but stick with me on this thread grunyen ... we'll work on your argumentation skills
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