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    I just returned home today after another eventful and enjoyable trip to LOS, of which I spent the last 4 nights in Bangkok. During this time I visited most of the bars several times, so thought I would give an insight from my perspective to what is going on in these particularly quiet times.
    The following is MY OPINION and viewed over a short period of time, so should not be taken as perfect indicator as to day to day events.
    Also I only barfined two girls, the latter for 3 nights, and neither would allow pictures in the room, so my appologies for this.

    And so on with the report, and no better place to start than

    1) Guess Bar - despite it's flaws still my favourite bar in BKK. However what I am about to say will probably be contraversial, and some will either disagree or be rather disappointed. I spent a lot of time in Guess Bar, several hours every night, between jaunts to Nana. What I witnessed from my time there, and also from some long conversations with some of the more established staff is quite surprising, especially considering the many positive comments made by Mardhi in recent threads.
    Nothing has changed for the better in Guess, in fact IMO it has gone downhill slightly following the " makeover". The facts are, Ex has brought nothing to the bar, except possibly a little bit of ill feeling. The staff are still playing pool as before, and still laying about the sofas as before. 'Mamasan' Ex, and remember I witnessed this personally 4 nights running, arrives at the bar at around 10.30pm, sits outside drinking bottles of beer with her Pattaya crew, then fucks off ( to where, I don't know) before midnight, not to return until 10.30p.m the next night. She seems to do nothing for the bar, and has zero interaction with customers. There is a bit of hostility between the original crew and the Pattaya imports, although I don't beleieve this will last as the Pattaya girls can be quite clearly heard stating they dont like, and they go back Pattaya soon!!
    Gong looks tired - really tired and is in dire need of a long holiday. There is a huge rip in the cloth of the pool table which needs replaced badly, not the worst offense in the world, but a lot of BM's enjoy playing pool there, and this is very shoddy. Despite a minor makeover, the loos still stink, but more to the point, the corridor to get to the loos really stinks.
    But the saddest thing of all is that Jay has becaome a bit of a laughing stock with her own staff. One customer came in and asked her whereabouts, and two of the staff laughed saying maybe she come next week, maybe next month. It pains me to have to say this as I am very fond of Jay, but those are the facts my friends, and until Jay or someone else gets a grip on things, I fear they may get worse.
    On a positive note, there seems to be relatively steady influx of customers, and the girls are still friendly in a non pushy manner.

    2) Obsessions - By far the busiest bar in BKK the nights I was there, mainly due to a large number of Japanese tourists. Perhaps it was because of this, or maybe I was just unlucky, but on all 3 occasions I called in for a few beers, every ladyboy in the place was the Japanese look LB, and i believe ( some of the BKK residents can correct me if I am wrong) the others have been moved to Cascades.

    3) Temptations - Dire, seriously dire. Went in twice, couldn't wait to leave -'nuff said.

    4) Cascades - Still the best talent around,although lower in numbers than I have ever seen. Probably due to an extremely bad low season a lot of girls have possibly gone home, or simply don't bother going to work. Went in all 4 nights, and a distinct lack of customers each time I went in. On the bright side the girls are hungry, and to try to intice customers have become a lot naughtier than I remember while sharing a drink with you . First night there I called over Odette and Leo to sit with Ladydrinks were bought, and before you could say "what your name" both had guided my hands to their exposed and upright ladyboy regions A few drinks and pleasant time was had, and I decided to BF Leo with no drama from Odette. (does anybody have a pic of Leo??) Good performance back in da loom from lovely Leo, and her promise of I can do everything was certainly fulfilled with enthusiasm. Next night was very much a repeat of the first night only this time with June/Judy. She told me I not have customer for 5 days, really horny need to come. I didn't believe her but alas after about two minutes the poor little mare shot her jizz all over my jeans. Just as well they were an old pair . I decided not to BF her but did give her a nice tip for her troubles, and again she seemed happy enough and there was no drama. On a sidenote, on another thread it has been mentioned that some customers felt intimidated and threatened in Cascades. Although at no point did I feel this way, one truly annoying thing is the service staff constantly pestering fo tips in a slightly aggressive manner, even if all they have done is return your change!! Beware and be firmly polite and tell them no!

    5) Casanova - Best viewed with a wingman for backup. Again not aggressive but they do surround you like a flock of wolves the moment you set foot in the bar, yikes. Not a patch talentwise on Cascades, but not too bad. Another bar that both times I went in I was the only customer.

    6)And finally - Patpong. What can I say about Patpong. Last time I was in Patpong was about two years ago with Kliome and Jimslim, and I couldn't wait to get out of the place. Before I continue, you may recall I mentioned at the start of the topic that I was with only two girls while in BKK. After Leo I spent my following three nights with guess bar lovely, and thoroughly enjoyed my time with her. As she was a former KC3 girl, I thought why not give the place a second chance with an expert tour guide.
    Even with a reputed and reasonably well known Thai guide, this place is still a fucking in your face, rip-off shithole, imo. I am always up for giving somewhere a second chance, but on this occasion I am sorry I did, as my second impression is worse than my first. I can see why my guide reflected on the place as a one time only stop. She reckoned there is very little return custom in Patpong bars because of the intimidating attitude in all the establishments, and quoted this as one of the main resons she got out of there. If you are BKK newbie or are unfamiliar with Patpong, take my advice and give it a miss. Much better to be seen and had at Nana.

    My overall view on BKK is that it is still a must stop on any trip, although usually a few days is plenty. In general BKK is crying out bigtime for high season to come, but that can be said about anywhere in LOS at the minute.
    Despite some of my negative comments, Guess Bar is still my favourite, and my first and last stop for a few beers. There is no finer array of fine looking ladyboys anywhere in the world than Cascades, and for a late night beverage, the street stalls are liteered with ladyboys, ranging in looks and size, but mind how you go with some of these jokers.
    A friend in need is a f**king pest

  • #2
    A well written report Ciobha and makes interesting reading.

    RR.
    Pedants rule, OK. Or more precisely, exhibit certain of the conventional trappings of leadership.

    "I love the smell of ladyboy in the morning."
    Kahuna

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    • #3
      I agree with Road Runner, a really well written report there Ciobha, will miss seeing your smiling face in November Amigo.

                       all the best

                                            Tel    
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      • #4
        There was a week long holiday in Japan 2 or 3 weeks ago, Obsessions was mobbed during that period.....but its over now and the crowds are gone.

        But Obsessions is definitely the Number One club for Japanese
        "Snick, You Sperm Too Much" - Anon

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        • #5
          ...but they do surround you like a flock of wolves...
          Fantastic report and probably relays what many people either suspect or are too reticent to say.

          Thanks for going to the trouble of posting this...
          SHEMALE.CENTER
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          • #6
            (ciobha @ Oct. 12 2010,00:03) Next night was very much a repeat of the first night only this time with June/Judy. She told me I not have customer for 5 days, really horny need to come. I didn't believe her but alas after about two minutes the poor little mare shot her jizz all over my jeans.
            Fantastic report Ciobah, loved the bit about Judy/June... I have a soft-spot for her, she is really a lovely girl so it's nice to hear you "took care of her" as it were.

            I got it into my head that on my next trip, I should go check out Soi Cowboy, as I've never been there. Never hear about it at all on this board, I assume that means it's GG bars only?

            Sad to hear about Guess continuing it's spiral. Things may have to get really bad before they get better.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by ciobha,Oct. 12 2010,00:03
              Sad to hear about Guess continuing it's spiral. Things may have to get really bad before they get better.
              Hmmm - Guess Bar revenue is up 300% week on week - maybe see for yourself and decide upon what you see. I am not saying its gotten perfect yet but its WAY better than three weeks ago. and clearly the overall customers agree - the sales numbers dont lie however many LB and staff with vested interests do.

              Sometimes people have there own agenda's about venues and the people involved.

              Cheers
              Mardhi

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              • #8
                (deepthroat @ Oct. 11 2010,23:51) ....I should go check out Soi Cowboy, as I've never been there. Never hear about it at all on this board, I assume that means it's GG bars only?
                There are no ladyboy only bars there and usually there are very, very few ladyboys.

                Baccara bar used to have two pre-ops working there some years ago but so far as I know they have had none since.

                Tilac bar occassionally has the odd ladyboy working but so far as I know they have always been post-op.

                I've heard un-confirmed sightings in various other bars over the years but in each case they remained elusive.

                RR.


                EDIT:-  Found a few recent comments about Cowboy on the bangkokbargirls website (Sept 2009) -  most websites are well out of date.    

                While getting a bit too expensive for old hands like ourselves, the Bangkok nightlife scene at Soi Cowboy and Nana Plaza still offers some good entertainment opportunities.
                Below are our recommendations for 2010, actually the bars were we most hang out.
                We definitively hold the opinion now that Soi Cowboy is the nightlife entertainment in Bangkok are that has the most to offer. Nana Plaza comes a distant second.

                At Soi Cowboy, close to the entrance from Asoke Road is were you will find Long Gun (Lucky Star), Rawhide bar, and Tilac bar. These three bars have been around for many years, and for a long time under the same management.
                The most famous of them is the always crowded Long Gun bar (Lucky Star). It features sexotic shows every night for many hours. The bar has a good atmosphere and has undergone some much needed refurbishing at the beginning of 2009.
                After a somewhat long stretch of rather second-grade showgirls, the bar now has improved its line-up, and if you like to see girls moving about around the poles, this is the place to go. The format at Long Gun Bar is nude dancing.
                It sister bar Rawhide is the first bar on the right when you enter Soi Cowboy for Asoke Road. A fire ravaged the bar just after New Year, and at the time of this report, the bar is closed and the girls have moved to Long Gun.
                When it reopens, the same type of shows feature at Rawhide as in Long Gun. The difference is that the girls at Rawhide do seem to be prettier and younger than the girls at Long Gun.
                Both Long Gun and Rawhide have drinks priced at 130 baht, water is available cheaply, and lady drinks are reasonably priced.
                Soi Cowboy has become the most visited night life entertainment area for foreign tourists and residents during 2008. What are the reasons for this? We can only speculate.
                1) Nana Plaza a few years ago was more expensive to visit, maybe this started a gradual shift towards cheaper areas (at the moment, this price advantage has disappeared).
                2) Nudity and other 'poor' dress standards are clearly the norm at Soi Cowboy, while the girls at Nana Plaza keep their modesty. Years ago, the exact reverse was the case.
                3) There are quite a few newly (re)developed bars at Soi Cowboy, the neon lights along the street are quite impressive.
                Overall Soi Cowboy nowadays looks much more flashy and up-to-standard then Nana Plaza, where bar owners/managers seem to just muddle along, without doing any substantial effort to upgrade their facilities and bars.

                A new player emerged in Soi Cowboy, expanding his little empire one bar at a time. Now he owns and manages the following bars : Our Place, Midnite Bar, Spice Girls, Deja Vu Bar, Kiss .
                All these bars have characteristics in common : they are places of deception and hight prices.
                RR.
                Attached Files
                Pedants rule, OK. Or more precisely, exhibit certain of the conventional trappings of leadership.

                "I love the smell of ladyboy in the morning."
                Kahuna

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                • #9
                  Nice report Ciobha

                  Good to hear Jun/Dee is still smiling
                  Did you exchange a walk-on part in the war for a lead role in a cage

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                  • #10
                    I went to Soi Cowboy last March as a Chum of mine was staing at the Admiral Suites. OK but full on GG. Having been bitten by the LB bug I couldnt wait to get back to Nana. Also Nana has a much better feel, however I worry about the refurbishment a fiend who lives out there sent me this in his e mail.

                    "Not sure what exactly is happening in Nana Plaza, you hear different stories. Whilst the fire hazard/access story is the most credible doing the rounds, health & safety is not a thing that usually troubles them so much, particularly when money is changing hands in the nightlife arena and story of major lease expiry is doing the rounds with an eye on the site itself. ( I understand that whole site is Indian owned and the bar biz is not what is was and rents are becoming more difficult to collect, with not such a big queue these days of willing 'investors' ready to move into the bar game ) Rumour of moving them to Soi 7/1 to make a street of it there..sort of 'Cowboy-ish' ??  Those individual leases that aren't due to expire..er, might well find that it is a good idea if they move on.
                    Having said that, they have recently completely brick paved the whole centre area where those beer bars were and it does lend itself to seating,tables and the like, so still somewhat jury out on it all... we tend to be a jaundice bunch here after a while where the scene is concerned and nothing surprises. Big Dogs is intact."

                    On my way back which was around 1.30ish I litterally jumped out of the cab at one of the Street Bars on Suk rd met a very cool older operator Ae with the sharpest silicone in town. Those bars are great fun if you like the bladerunner feel & not a rip off. If you play the game they are more mature & will look after you. Fun girls......

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                    • #11
                      Thanks for the thread ciobha, interesting reading mate
                      Your got yer Mother in a whirl
                      Shes not sure if your a Boy or a Girl

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                      • #12
                        (ciobha @ Oct. 11 2010,19:03) (does anybody have a pic of Leo??)
                        From LB69:
                        Attached Files
                        Dutch.

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                        • #13
                          Cheers Dutch. Luvvly jubbly.
                          A friend in need is a f**king pest

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                          • #14
                            (ciobha @ Oct. 11 2010,23:03) 1) Guess Bar - despite it's flaws still my favourite bar in BKK. However what I am about to say will probably be contraversial, and some will either disagree or be rather disappointed. I spent a lot of time in Guess Bar, several hours every night, between jaunts to Nana. What I witnessed from my time there, and also from some long conversations with some of the more established staff is quite surprising, especially considering the many positive comments made by Mardhi in recent threads.
                            Nothing has changed for the better in Guess, in fact IMO it has gone downhill slightly following the " makeover". The facts are, Ex has brought nothing to the bar, except possibly a little bit of ill feeling. The staff are still playing pool as before, and still laying about the sofas as before. 'Mamasan' Ex, and remember I witnessed this personally 4 nights running, arrives at the bar at around 10.30pm, sits outside drinking bottles of beer with her Pattaya crew, then fucks off ( to where, I don't know) before midnight, not to return until 10.30p.m the next night. She seems to do nothing for the bar, and has zero interaction with customers. There is a bit of hostility between the original crew and the Pattaya imports, although I don't beleieve this will last as the Pattaya girls can be quite clearly heard stating they dont like, and they go back Pattaya soon!!
                            Gong looks tired - really tired and is in dire need of a long holiday. There is a huge rip in the cloth of the pool table which needs replaced badly, not the worst offense in the world, but a lot of BM's enjoy playing pool there, and this is very shoddy. Despite a minor makeover, the loos still stink, but more to the point, the corridor to get to the loos really stinks.
                            But the saddest thing of all is that Jay has becaome a bit of a laughing stock with her own staff. One customer came in and asked her whereabouts, and two of the staff laughed saying maybe she come next week, maybe next month. It pains me to have to say this as I am very fond of Jay, but those are the facts my friends, and until Jay or someone else gets a grip on things, I fear they may get worse.
                            On a positive note, there seems to be relatively steady influx of customers, and the girls are still friendly in a non pushy manner.
                            Guess Bar like many other bars in BKK has been hit hard, infact very hard by the economic troubles and Red Shirt demonstrations earlier in the summer which led to the curfew and overnight destroyed many businesses. Add in the weakening of currencies against the baht has also had a major impact on the 'discretionary spending' pursuits of many guys.

                            Jay has had a virtual breakdown caused in part by the these events and that is why you see Ex in the picture. Ex is not the mamasan, but a friend who has come in to help get the bar back to where it was and for it to grow and prosper. In doing so, she has started to kick arse in the bar big time and I am sure lots of people who were very cosy in their non customer focussed world of sleeping and playing pool are now suddenly feeling resentfull of such change occuring.

                            The pool table has already been re-covered and the airon thoroughly cleaned and overhauled. The entire bar has been cleaned from top to bottom and lots of 'clutter' discarded. New Signage is being worked on to improve visibility from Soi 4 and Ex is hiring new staff and continues to look for girls. They have already added a 2nd room facility and are considering going up to a 3rd.

                            All the drink prices have changed downward (typically 30% less) this week and the barfine has gone down from 500b to 300b.

                            I think they are making the right steps in how to energise the situation and time will tell how customers are perceiving it. The atmosphere when I was in there this week was considerable better and much more 'sanuk' as a number of established girls mentioned to me. I dont think its by any means perfect yet - but its way way better than it was a month ago.

                            Cheers
                            Mardhi

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                            • #15

                              Mardhi, you mention "vested interests" in Guess Bar. What exactly is your interest in promoting this bar?

                              I don't want to cause a shit storm or seem offensive by asking this question but now that you've broken up with Jay why do you still promote Guess above and beyond any other bar in Soi 4?
                              dreaming about LOS again

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