Israel

[guydesavoy]

(Bumpa STIKKA @ Jun. 04 2010,19:25)

(whore @ Jun. 04 2010,19:20) You don't read all the information been given to you...

But it's NOT information. It's just what some bloke reckons...

I was actually just going to post something similar, but gave up...

I mean, I could post a link to some 'information' from Dr Rush Limbaugh on the topic...

So what ?

[Tomcat]

The guy that coined " New World order" was David Icke and i think he was in fact certified as a loony. His theory was that Jews were giant green lizards or something like that.. haha

he was a funny guy though in a strange sort of way

[azza33]

Personally i couldn't give a toss about either side... they are both as bad as each other.... and neither side trusts each other... so it wont resolve itself any time soon.

You can post all the shit & opinions you like, you'll never convince me of which side is more righteous, and i really don't give a fuck anyways.

I'm happy to take all the oil from arab lands so that i can enjoy my civilised western lifestyle - i feel no guilt about this whatsoever - after all, isn't this what its all about?

[Bumpa STIKKA]

I agree... It's too far away and the people there don't matter to me so I won't lose any sleep over their child like 'ideological' scrapping.

So long as I can fill up my scooter with cheap gas and the poor kids keep falling asleep on the machinery that makes spare parts then everything is going according to plan.

[azza33]

Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there? Cruelty and injustice, intolerance and oppression. And where once you had the freedom to object, think, and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillence coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission. How did this happen? Who's to blame? Well, certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror. I know why you did it. I know you were afraid. Who wouldn't be? War, terror, disease. There were a myriad of problems which conspired to corrupt your reason and rob you of your common sense. Fear got the best of you, and in your panic you turned to

He's a deeply religious man and a member of the conservative party. He's completely single-minded and has no regard for the political process. The more power he attains, the more obvious his zealotry and the more aggressive his supporters become. Eventually, his party launches a special project in the name of national security. At first, it's believed to be a search for biological weapons and is pursued without regard to its cost. However, the true goal of this project is power; complete and total hegemonic domination. The project, however, ends violently. But the efforts of those involved are not in vain, for a new ability to wage war is born from the blood of the victims. Imagine a virus, the most terrifying virus you can, and then imagine that you and you alone have the cure. But if the ultimate goal is power, how best to use such a weapon? It is at this point in our story that along comes a spider. Here is a man seemingly without a conscience for whom the ends always justify the means, and it is he who suggests that their target should not be an enemy of the country, but rather the country itself. Three targets are chosen to maximize the effect of the attack: a school, a tube station, and a water treatment plant. Several hundred die within the first few weeks. Fueled by the media, fear and panic spread quickly, fracturing and dividing the country until at last the true goal comes into view.... the end result, the true genius of the plan, was the fear. Fear became the ultimate tool of this government

Couple of golden quotes from one of my favourite films of all time....  are they apt here or not?

[guydesavoy]

WARNING ! Here follows some cut and paste job which took me less time than it'll take you  

Link (this stops me from thinking and makes you do all the work)

http://www.frugal-cafe.com/public_....n-video

But I do appreciate your time and cooperation in reading this IN FULL.




Some 'information' from the 'other side' :


Transcript from yesterday€™s Rush Limbaugh radio show on the EIB network. Here, he opines on Pres. Obama, Israel, and the bogus-humanitarian, bloody Gaza flotilla attack.
Rush Limbaugh Show transcript, Obama Sells Out Israel on Flotilla:
RUSH: Is anybody still surprised a community organizer with strong personal and political ties to anti-Israel leftists will not step up €” will not organize support €” for America€™s best ally in the Middle East if not in the world? This whole thing with this €œflotilla€ is a Turkish setup designed to provoke exactly what has happened. The Israelis are out there playing by the rules. You know, what€™s the old saying? €œA lie gets halfway around the world before the truth puts its pants on,€ and the lie on this thing got halfway around the world.
This was not some innocent bunch of people going in. This is an arms mission. Make no mistake about it. Humanitarian aid? There might be some crackers and cheese getting off that flotilla, but make no mistake: There are some armaments there. This is Turkey attempting to establish itself as the Muslim leader. Islamists have taken over Turkey. They€™re in NATO, and this is all designed to make Israel provoked and to cause this kind of response, and the world is condemning Israel!
Even, over the weekend, the United Nations Security Council gets together to suggest a condemnation of Israel. The Turkish government is demanding that we condemn Israel at the same time. Egypt is going the other way. There€™s also another thing happening here regarding Israel and Egypt and the Middle East, and that is Egypt€™s call some months ago (maybe weeks) €œnuclear-free Middle East.€ The United States at the United Nations sandbagged the Israelis and is supporting this effort, which, of course, has one objective, and that is to de-nuke Israel.
Now, Israel for 60 years has not admitted that they have nukes. It€™s just assumed that they have a couple hundred warheads, but they€™ve never confirmed it. Everybody just assumed so. Meanwhile, we€™re told the Iranians have enough plutonium now for two bombs. They are continuing to ratchet up and nobody€™s doing anything about them ratcheting up and demanding that they shut it down, not nearly as seriously as they€™re going to hammer Israel.
Now, Obama is demanding that Israel tell him exactly what happened. (paraphrasing) €œI want those details of what happened on that flotilla and I want them now!€ You know what Netanyahu ought to do? Netanyahu ought to say, €œI want the details of the 32 people Chicago killed over the weekend and I want to know what you€™re doing about it €” and I want to know what role you€™ve played, what the Chicago police did and the Chicago government.€ I know it will never happen, but that€™s my reaction.
BREAK TRANSCRIPT
RUSH: Now, we haven€™t even gotten to the Israeli situation yet. This is key as well. The media is not telling the truth about this, either. You remember, ladies and gentlemen, some years ago the war was going on between the Hezbollah€™s militants in Lebanon launching rockets into Israel and Israel was retaliating. You remember all the Photoshopped pictures of so-called damage to civilian populations and civilian buildings, public buildings that the Israelis were responsible for? It turned out that many of those Reuters photos had been doctored and Photoshopped to make the damage look like it was five or ten mimes worse than it is, and the media couldn€™t wait! They all jumped on the bandwagon to report this stuff.
It€™s the same thing happening now. Not one shred of truth is being reported about this flotilla, who the people on the flotilla were or what their purpose was. Their purpose was to get this provocation. They know full well Israel is not going to respond to anything €™til they know what happened, while the Islamists have their PR campaign ready to go before the flotilla even set sail. Before the flotilla even left Turkey they knew exactly what to say, they knew exactly what was going to happen because they provoked it.
This is not about a nuclear free Middle East. We€™re what looking at here is another all-out assault on an Israel-free Middle East.
BREAK TRANSCRIPT
RUSH: It was Hamas that attacked Israel. It was in January 2009. Lest we forget, ladies and gentlemen, it was Hamas that violently attacked its fellow Palestinians, the Fatah (not to be confused with Chaka Fattah of Philadelphia) for being too €œmoderate.€
BREAK TRANSCRIPT
RUSH: Well, there it is, the United Nations has condemned the Israeli raid, which was provoked intentionally by Islamists, Turkish, Hamas, Palestinian. The UN has called for an investigation.
END TRANSCRIPT
Outstanding, strong, chilling speech that Israel€™s PM Netanyahu gave on Israeli television in response to the United Nations. And Bibi did it brilliantly, like a true leader€¦ and without a teleprompter.
As he said, €œThis was no €œLove Boat.€ Israel should not be held to a double standard.

[guydesavoy]

WARNING ! There's more :

From Arutz Sheva, Israel National News, Netanyahu: This Was No Love Boat:
Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu addressed the Israeli public on live television at 8:00 p.m. Israel time, regarding the attempt by a terror-sympathizers€™ flotilla to break the blockade of Hamas-controlled Gaza.
€œThis was no Love Boat,€ he said. €œThis was a boat of hatred. It was a terror-supporting flotilla.€
€œThe state of Israel faces an international campaign of hypocrisy,€ Netanyahu said. €œThis is not the first time. Two years ago, we operated against the missiles that Hamas fired against Israel. Hamas fired at civilians and hid behind civilians. The IDF operated against Hamas in an effort to avoid hitting innocent civilians. Despite this, the UN accused Israel of war crimes and regretfully, I must say that this is what is happening now too.€
€œHamas continues to arm, Iran continues to smuggle weapons into Gaza. The previous [Israeli] government placed a military blockade on Gaza to prevent weapon smuggling to Hamas. The purpose of the flotilla was to break the naval blockade of Gaza. If the blockade had been broken, this flotilla would have been followed by hundreds of ships. The amount of weapons that can be brought in by boat is far greater than what is brought in through the smuggling tunnels. An endless amount of weaponry can be brought in. It is our right and duty to inspect every ship that tries to reach Gaza, to remove the weapons and let the rest of the cargo enter.€
If Gaza turns into an Iranian port, Netanyahu said, other countries beside Israel will be threatened.
The naval commandos were attacked with knives and clubs and thrown off the deck, he said. €œTheir weapons were snatched and they were shot. There was an attempt to lynch IDF soldiers here. These are not peace activists. They are violent terror activists.€
From Atlas Shrugs, Road Trip Gaza!
More on what I have been following for months. The abundance of food and stuffs in Gaza is mind blowing. Perhaps that€™s why Hamas is refusing all humanitarian shipments €” they have no where to put it. Stuffed.
This is a propaganda war €“ and the information battle space is the front and big media is aligned with the jihad force.

[azza33]

 What the Israel did was the same as what the Aussies did with the illegal immigrant boat problems of the '00s.

It's a big FUCK OFF message that needed to be sent in both countries eyes ... and world opinion was the same on both at the time.

[Tomcat]

Actually the most important issue to come out of this is

1) Turkey is not an ally and never will be. They are the next Pakistan
Its pretty obvious

2) many on the boat were out to achieve Martyrdom by admission from thier wives ..and some ideed found it.

2) The boat was loaded with gas masks and other stuff that has nothing to with peace mission

All the pronouncements about Turkey wanting to join with the west is bullshit. They are a Muslim nation and are not European by any measure ( other than the sliver of land that gets them in the Eurovison Song contest)

[f0xxee]

(Torurot @ Jun. 04 2010,17:38) This is a cut from a much wider and referenced article.  By many definition elements of the current government of Israel is booth Fascist AND Nazi!  The right wing "settler" movement is EXTREME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Come from ANYWHERE in the world, claim your "jewish" steal land from Palestinians!


Fascism: Fourteen Characteristics of Fascism
http://www.opednews.com/article....43.html

The whole idea behind collectivism in general and fascism in particular is to make citizens subservient to the state and to place power over resource allocation in the hands of a small elite... Such decisions should be made by a "dominant class" he labeled "the elite."
--Thomas J. DiLorenzo--

Decide for yourself, here are the Fourteen Characteristics of Fascism as stated by Dr. Lawrence Britt.

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism -
Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights -
Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause -
The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

4. Supremacy of the Military -
Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

5. Rampant Sexism -
The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.

6. Controlled Mass Media -
Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

7. Obsession with National Security -
Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined -
Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

9. Corporate Power is Protected -
The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

10. Labor Power is Suppressed -
Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts -
Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment -
Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption -
Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

14. Fraudulent Elections -
Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

Dr Britt goes on to say, "The above fourteen point definition of fascism clearly describes the current state of the United States of America, particularly under the second Bush Administration - a regime awash in corruption, secrecy, theocracy, militarism and election fraud. Never before in the history of this country have the people as a whole been rendered so powerless by a ruling, corporate, elite and gang of "New World Order--Project For a New Century" imperialists.

Hmmm.
Applying the above to Thailand at the present moment makes for an interesting comparison.

[kahuna]

Just off the press...Debate this...

Report: Myanmar seeking nuclear weapons
By DENIS D. GRAY
Associated Press Writer
updated 3:07 a.m. ET June 4, 2010

BANGKOK - Documents smuggled out of Myanmar by an army defector indicate its military regime is trying to develop nuclear weapons and long-range missiles, and North Korea is probably assisting the program, an expatriate media group said Friday.

The Norway-based Democratic Voice of Burma said the defector had been involved in the nuclear program and smuggled out extensive files and photographs describing experiments with uranium and specialized equipment needed to build a nuclear reactor and develop enrichment capabilities.

On Thursday, U.S. Sen. Jim Webb announced he was postponing a trip to Myanmar because of new allegations that it was collaborating with North Korea to develop a nuclear program.

Webb, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Subcommittee on East Asia and Pacific Affairs, referred to documents provided by a Myanmar army defector.

Myanmar's military government has denied similar allegations in the past, but suspicions have mounted recently that the impoverished Southeast Asian nation has embarked on a nuclear program.

Last month, U.N. experts monitoring sanctions imposed against North Korea over its nuclear and missile tests said their research indicated it was involved in banned nuclear and ballistic missile activities in Iran, Syria and Myanmar, which is also called Burma.

The DVB report said Russia has also trained Myanmar technicians in nuclear and missile technology.

[f0xxee]

(Bumpa STIKKA @ Jun. 04 2010,19:54) So long as I can fill up my scooter with cheap gas and the poor kids keep falling asleep on the machinery that makes spare parts then everything is going according to plan.

Congrats Bumpa on probably the most elegantly cynical post of the debate so far. Wish I had said that!

[guydesavoy]

Maybe this deserves another thread of its own ? The 14 'characters' of Fascism...

Or Best Ever Fascist ?

Sounds like fun

[f0xxee]

Admittedly there would be few countries that wouldn't be 50% guilty as charged on the above 14 points.

We live in an era of new nationalism, or so it seems.

Best ever fascist? George Costanza. (There we go, neatly segueing between threads....)

[guydesavoy]

Yeah I made the same point a few pages back...it's all fairly obvious..and if this guy's a Dr of something, then we're all doomed
none more so than those who actually give him any kind of credence or status for writing such drivel..

Costanza is the perfect candidate..short, ugly, parents can't stand him