Who killed JFK?

[jimslim]

(pacman @ Mar. 04 2010,19:17) MYSTERY SOLVED

I have known this for years but now only chose to reveal it ..........

JFK was shot by Elvis (at the grassy knoll police found evidence of spangles from a silver jumpsuit )

Apparently the King was jealous of JFK and thought he was about to launch a pop career that could end him (given he was making movies and singing "ol'shep " at the time " )

I know his as a fact , it was told to me by a CIA agent in a dream .

Sometimes the truth can be stranger than fiction  

[Lefty]

(pacman @ Mar. 02 2010,21:10) You couldn't let it rest, could you? We argued exactly this subject into the ground & like a bad loser who can't accept anything that challenges your view of the world, you want to go over it all again.

This has little to do with an answer you won't accept regardless of what someone posts, it is all about your own need to assert your authority over anyone who dares to challenge your assertions.

I should just ignore your poll & rest easy knowing that I gave you more information than you ever expected the last time. And I even conceded we could call it a draw as there is no way the truth would ever be released by the Government in our lifetime.

But I will take your bait & offer my opinion - Lee Harvey Oswald was the fall-guy for the CIA. He was in Dallas to shoot the President but there were CIA operatives there in case he failed. Probably the 3 guys on the knoll but as JaiDee is demanding PROOF (WTF!! Now? After all this time) we can never know.

Oswald was arrested & had to be silenced before he could give the game away. Jack Ruby was asked to do the job. Miraculously he was able to slip into the police station & go to exactly the place where Oswald was being lead past.

The police escorting Oswald conveniently step out of the way so Jack can silence the one guy who could have blown the whistle. Or one of the many. Some 78 people were killed shortly afterwards in strange circumstances. I even posted the list of their names.

And Jack Ruby himself had terminal cancer when he was approached to do the hit, that made him the ideal candidate.

And the CIA wanted Kennedy dead. After the Bay of Pigs fiasco, JFK swore he would break up the organisation & destroy the careers of many CIA staff.

Outside the US, very few people buy the official story yet amongst Americans, they just want to believe the government. The mentality of my country, right or wrong, is a deeply rooted mind set in the US.

It is unthinkable to the average citizen that the CIA could have bumped off such a popular President but a read of John Perkins excellent expose on what the CIA has done to advance US interests - "Confessions of an Economic Hitman", offers a very different view of what the CIA stand for.

To the CIA, Kennedy was just one more Head of State who had to be removed in order to advance US interests. It made no difference to that morally moribund organisation that this Head of State happened to be their own.

Right on Pacman!!!


I see at this point, 15 souls voted it was Oswald alone. Go ahead and walk with the shepherds if it makes you feel more comfortable. But as for my friend Pacman and I, our eyes and our minds are wide open.

[Lefty]

(pacman @ Mar. 02 2010,21:58) JaiDee, your superiority complex demands you have the last word on everything. And you think I need a psychiatrist!

This thread wasn't started by you to discuss the facts, it is an opportunity to metaphorically bash anyone who dares disagree with you.

How can you say there is no proof to back it up? The CIA spent years destroying any trace of proof yet still there were people who spoke out. You can find their stories by Googling.

I am curious why the story about Jack Ruby, a very curious incident that couldn't have happened without collusion, should only make you laugh now.

It was all discussed in the previous thread, or did you not bother to read it because you didn't want anything to shake your infallible view of the US?

As for Perkins' great book, there are no conspiracy theories in it at all, he spells out exactly what the CIA have done to advance US interests. And if they can kill world leaders at a whim, they can take out the one guy who threatened their very existence.

Right on again Pacman!!! Keep up the good fight. It is useless though. The Oswald acted alone crowd don't want to be confused with facts when their minds are already made up.

[Lefty]

(JaiDee @ Mar. 02 2010,22:30)  Who ordered the hit?  Just saying "The CIA" and following that up with Jack Ruby is a bit too simplistic, doncha think?

 

No more simplistic than believing Oswald acted alone.

I don't know for sure who did, but I am 1000000% convinced Oswald did not act alone. The most basic proof comes from the Zapruder tape. It is obvious to anyone who has seen it and is familiar with how a man or animal reacts when it by a bullet. The kill shot came from the right front, because JFK's head was thrown back and slightly left by the impact. From the place Oswald was alleged to have been shooting, it would have been IMPOSSIBLE for him to hit JFK anywhere on the front of his head.

Of course we have Arlen Fucking Spector and his ridiculous magic bullet theory which the Warren Commission ate up. They were not looking to let the American public know the real truth. Just looking for any way possible to rationalize what they wanted to put forth. That it was just Oswald.

Fuck Spector. Fuck the Warren Commission. The is a special place in hell reserved for scum like that.

[Lefty]

(JaiDee @ Mar. 02 2010,22:49)

(travis bickle @ Mar. 02 2010,22:41) You got battered into submission last time,calling a halt to proceedings after being given the coup-de-grace by pacman's list.You cant even retire gracefully,and now youve got your second wind again,you want to start it all over again.

Ummmm, sorry..... I don't remember any list, that must have been one of the weeks or months I was away from this message board enjoying my life or out in the sun, but I am sure it was a very interesting cut-and-paste job from some JFK-conspiracy website.  Yaaawwwnn....I could find the same list or website right now, they are funny as hell and all over the web.

A  quick google search just gave me this;

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/CI...illed_JFK.html

Look familiar?    Paccie can find lists with names all over the net,  and so can I; so that means that JFK was killed by the CIA?  Get real, man..... again,  a giant zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz  

  Join the club, Travis....saying this nonsense is a conspiracy FACT puts you firmly in the tinfoil-hat corner, enjoy the ride!!

 My guy is leading 5-1 right now, seems I am not the only one who believes the truth, eh?   Don't worry though, lads...... Lefty will be along soon with the hand claps and CAPS and will join your side; this is going to be a great thread!!

You like to belittle any of Pacman's sources of info and at the same time formed your hard line Oswald alone stance based on reading 1 book. This book was the final authority in your mind so anyone who disagreed was wrong in your mind.

I'm glad you like all the hand claps!!! Here are some more for you.                                              

[Lefty]

(JaiDee @ Mar. 03 2010,11:29)   10 people versus 6 for 'other' choices now, so at least 9 people are as ill-informed and hard-headed as I am.  I wish we could get 100 votes or so and really gauge how people feel, 16 just isn't enough.

SORRY I FORGOT THE CAPS LAST TIME. IT WOULD NOT MATTER IF THE VOTE COUNT GETS UP TO 500 IDIOTIC FOOLS WHO BELIEVE OSWALD ACTED ALONE. THAT DOESN'T MAKE IT THE TRUTH. MAJORITY IS ALWAYS RIGHT ON ANY TOPIC? WELL, I HOPE YOU GET 1000 VOTES FOR OSWALD ACTED ALONE. IF IT REASSURES YOU IN ANY WAY THAT THE BOOK YOU READ WAS RIGHT. HOW ABOUT SOME BOLD TYPE TO GO ALONG WITH THE CAPS?  

I DON'T WANT TO OVERLOOK SOME MORE CLAPPING HANDS FOR YOU, SINCE YOU MENTIONED LIKING THEM SO MUCH.

                                         

[Lefty]

(JaiDee @ Mar. 03 2010,12:13)       Just admitting that a nobody like LH Oswald could do this alone is something most people just don't want to deal with, they all figure there MUST be a larger force out there who master-minded it and not some 2-bit loser from the wrong side of the tracks who wanted his 15 minutes of fame.

And believing it is possible that someone within the govt could conspire to do something as evil as murder a fine man like JFK is something many people don't want to deal with either. It is a lot less stressful for them to just take the face value answers given by their govt, like good sheeple should

[Lefty]

(pacman @ Mar. 03 2010,15:28)

(Bumpa STIKKA @ Mar. 03 2010,08:54) Who cares. He was a shit puppet for a president anyway.

That is a poor analysis of someone who will be remembered for single handedly saving the world from a nuclear war.

JFK will go down as a great President but I despair for what the US & the world lost by his early demise.

He would never have bombed Hanoi thus saving the unnecessary deaths of 160,000 young US troops.

Plus he would have dismantled the business links of the CIA to the major banks, the industrial barons & the oil companies. That alone would have seen the third world develop in a very different way.

JFK was the last man in the White House who really challenged the status quo & with his death, we can only wonder what might have been.

I didn't feel Mr Stikka's asinine comment deserved a response, but since you did, just want to say, right on again Pacman.

And for JaiDee, here are some more of his favorite hand claps.

                                         

[Lefty]

(azza33 @ Mar. 03 2010,17:44)

Fook me... almost feels like ya gonna break down and cry Pac  

How nice you could find some humor in it. Nothing to do with the deaths of JFK and RFK is a laughing matter to me.

[Lefty]

(pacman @ Mar. 04 2010,09:59) Good point Tomcat. If I knew my answer was the difference between life & death, what would I say?

I would have to go with Oswald as the shooter, that's easy. It just defies belief that anyone else fired a gun at the same time but then, why were people running towards the grassy knoll pointing immediately after the shooting?

But the question of Oswald acting on his own volition? No. Who put him up to it I am in no position to say.

I have trouble believing that the CIA would want to knock off their own President but given their track record, they weren't encumbered by a deep sense of morality.

Where the story gets interesting is what happened immediately after the shooting.

Oswald was arrested later that day after shooting & killing Police Officer Tippets. He was described as being in a catatonic state, like he was in a drugged stupor.

His testimony would have made compelling listening. He insisted that he didn't shoot the President but wanted to tell his story. He was denied his chance by a bizarre turn of events.

The one place where the "lone gunmen theory" gets the wobbles is the entry into the picture of a petty crim Jack Ruby.

JaiDee offers the reason for his execution-style shooting of Oswald as the act of a patriot. Well he must be the luckiest patriot ever with the bizarre set of circumstances that saw him able to breach the security of the Dallas Police Station & somehow know where & when Oswald was being transferred through the basement.

There are dozens of rumours surrounding Jack. Taken individually, they can be dismissed as coincidence but in total, they point to something much more than a "desire to save Jackie having to return to Dallas to testify".

Things that are known about Jack Ruby - as soon as he learnt that Kennedy was visiting Dallas he made phonecalls to Mafia bosses all over the United States. Plus he was dying of cancer with only months to live. These are facts that can't be disputed.

Add all the weird stuff about Jack having met Oswald & spent time with him, about the source of the gun he fired, a substantial debt he owed the mafia, his connections inside the Police Station, how he slipped past a guarded entrance, etc, etc & one is left to wonder if he really just decided on a whim to pop into the basement "just in case" or whether he was rushing that day to make an appointment.

None of this meets JaiDee's demand for CONCRETE PROOF but if I had to answer an omnipotent god who would strike me dead if I knowingly lied, then I would say Oswald killed the President but he had to be silenced lest the real perpetrators of the crime were revealed.

You are partially wrong then too Pacman, sad to say. There is no way on God's Green Earth that the kill shot that entered the front of JFK's head could have come from the direction of the School Book Depository. That, my friend, is a pure fact.

Which means more than one shooter. Why does it defy belief that more than one person could have been shooting? They did not need to all fire at the same exact second and they didn't. The plan was probably that the shot from the Book Depository was to lead things off. The other shooters were told that was to be their signal to fire too.

BTW, interesting tidbit on Ruby. He was a friend of one Prescott Bush.

[Lefty]

I've said my piece. I probably should not have said anything and neither should you have Pacman. It proves nothing when you've bested a fool. Travis had the good sense to only insert one brief comment.

Oh yeah, for JD, some more of his favorite clapping hands:

[JaiDee]

Oh my.....he has finally lost it  


I didn't really read these 7 or 8 replies above Lefty, just kinda skimmed over 'em, but I am sure they are really hilarious!

Got your tinfoil hat out, right?? UFO's have been known to buzz the P.I. late at night so be careful!!

*Hint; Multiple CAPS and hand claps don't make things right.

[Torurot]

 Go to your local library and get out "Flat Earth News" by Nick Davies. 2008  070.4Dav   ISBN 978 1 40743 25 1 9

It's absurd to say that the US government owned or sponsored persons have not been involved in covert activities in the "homeland".  That's just putting your head in the sand if you believe otherwise.  Of course nothing to do with this particular thread.

Interesting to see what comes out when the 100 years archive is opened.  

With regard to government "commissions", already the "conclusions" of the 911 commission have been successfully challenged as mostly rubbish..

oops wrong thread

[Lefty]

(JaiDee @ Mar. 14 2010,19:10) Oh my.....he has finally lost it  


I didn't really read these 7 or 8 replies above Lefty, just kinda skimmed over 'em, but I am sure they are really hilarious!

  Got your tinfoil hat out, right??  UFO's have been known to buzz the P.I. late at night so be careful!!

*Hint; Multiple CAPS and hand claps don't make things right.

Of course you did not read them. That is more proof you have your mind made up, going all the way back to your high school days, that Oswald acted alone and nothing anyone else says is ever going to change it. Then you found your little book by some expert who supports this notion and that just reaffirms it for you.
Do you still believe everything else you believed in high school too?

I included all the   for you because of your smart ass jerk off comment to Pacman, that pretty soon I'd be along with some caps and clapping hands. Like that is all I am good for.
So was just giving you what you wanted.    

Golly gee, we all wish we could be the intellectual giant you are.  

Yeah, we are all just a bunch of nut jobs for our views on the JFK assassination.  


I really doubt your other 14 votes really care all that much one way or the other, or for the most part ever really studied much about it. But if it makes you feel more justified in your beliefs about the whole thing, well bully for you.  

[JaiDee]

(Lefty @ Mar. 16 2010,13:40) But if it makes you feel more justified in your beliefs about the whole thing, well bully for you.

Thanks, Lefty!!  Much appreciated....I guess you expected me to just change my views on something I have known to be true for 30+ years because someone posted a few names on a message board; sorry, but I need a bit more evidence than that. I told Paccie I'd watch his german-made movie if it ever comes on the tube, what else do ya' want from me man? A full-on "YES, you guys are right, it WAS the CIA!!" Sorry, that's not coming from this desk; ever.

  Still quite surprised that the BBC, who would LOVE to one-up the U.S. government on just about anything, haven't yet picked up on this story and reported it to the world as FACT, but hey; one guy from Oregon knows a lot more than a powerful news organization which has been operating for more than 70 years!  Your favorite news crew, Al-Jazeera, have never reported these paranoid rantings as fact either, but you also know more than they do;  wow.

Damn, you're good man..... once again, the things you learn on the LBF will amaze and surprise a person daily