9/11 Conspiracy? Or did we get the truth?

[Nemisis]

(Lefty @ Nov. 06 2009,13:33)

(JaiDee @ Nov. 06 2009,09:18) Errrrr....no offense nemesis.....but do you really believe anyone is still reading these??  

I am. Keep firing away Nemisis.

Also, Strocube, keep responding. I always enjoy your points of view too.

Cheers Lefty,

Like Strobe and myself feel free to add your own in-put. I might be long-winded in my posts but I am not the type to make a 2 liner statement, then forget about it. I like to explain where I'm coming from with the hows, whys, and whats.

[Tomcat]

(Nemisis @ Nov. 06 2009,19:41) Ask any scientist, and that scientist will tell you that words are totally foreign to the human brain.

I think your swimming out of your depth here .

Even if you sat through a six hour lecture at University one could only graze the surface of understanding this complex subject

[Nemisis]

(Tomcat @ Nov. 06 2009,22:06)

(Nemisis @ Nov. 06 2009,19:41) Ask any scientist, and that scientist will tell you that words are totally foreign to the human brain.

I think your swimming out of your depth here .

Even if you sat through a six hour lecture at University one could only graze the surface of understanding this complex subject

Appreciated Tomcat,

You might think so, but my depth is very deep, and I really don't think its very complex at all, and don't need a scientist to tell me how I think. I find this subject a very simple one, to know how your own brain works through enlightenment. All you got to do is think!

[Torurot]

PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS STICKS IT TO THE 9/11 CRIMINALS
THE 9/11 MASS MURDER IS EXPLODING IN THEIR DIRTY FACES
Monday 1 March 2010 02:00
http://www.worldreports.org/news....iminals

EDITOR'S COMMENT: WE HARDLY EVER USE THIS PRIVILEGED SPACE TO PROMULGATE THE WORK OF OTHER ANALYSTS, AS WE HAVE SO MUCH TO DEVELOP FROM OUR OWN SOURCES.

HOWEVER THE FOLLOWING ARTICLE BY PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS, A FORMER ASSISTANT SECRETARY TO THE U.S. TREASURY, REQUIRES IMMEDIATE DISSEMINATION, SO WE ARE DELIGHTED TO HAND OUR SPACE OVER TO HIM. LIKE THE EDITOR, ROBERTS TELLS THE TRUTH, AND REMAINS VERTICAL. THE TIME IS LONG PAST FOR COWARDLY EQUIVOCATION.

€¢ FACT: AS WE HAVE REPORTED, SOME 12,000 PEOPLE DIED IN THE TWIN TOWERS, NOT 3,000.

€¢ ON A PARALLEL NOTE, WE WILL SHORTLY PRESENT COMPREHENSIVE AND CONCLUSIVE LEGAL EVIDENCE THAT ALL, REPEAT ALL (I.E. 100%) SECURITISATION IS ILLEGAL, REPEAT ILLEGAL, UNDER U.S LAW, WHICH MEANS THAT ALL THE CONVOLUTED ARRANGEMENTS MADE BY THE TREASURY AND THE FEDERAL RESERVE TO ACCOMMODATE DUBIOUS SECURITIES TRANSACTIONS, AND ALL THE NEW ARRANGEMENTS BEING MADE AT BREAKNECK SPEED TO RESUME OR INTENSIFY SECURITISATION OPERATIONS (FRAUDULENT FINANCE) TRADING, ARE ILLEGAL, REPEAT ILLEGAL, UNDER U.S. LAW. THERE ARE NO REDEEMING FEATURES.


By Paul Craig Roberts
Former Assistant Secretary to US Treasury
2-25-10

The Washington Times is a newspaper that looks with favor upon the Bush/Cheney/Obama/neocon wars of aggression in the Middle East and favors making terrorists pay for 9/11. Therefore, I was surprised to learn on February 24 that the most popular story on the paper's website for the past three days was the "Inside the Beltway" report, "Explosive News", about the 31 press conferences in cities in the US and abroad on February 19 held by Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, an organization of professionals which now has 1,000 members.

I was even more surprised that the news report treated the press conference seriously. How did three World Trade Center skyscrapers suddenly disintegrate into fine dust?

How did massive steel beams in three skyscrapers suddenly fail as a result of short-lived, isolated, and low temperature fires?

"A thousand architects and engineers want to know, and are calling on Congress to order a new investigation into the destruction of the Twin Towers and Building 7", reports the newspaper.

The paper reports that the architects and engineers have concluded that the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) and the US National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) provided "insufficient, contradictory and fraudulent accounts of the circumstances of the towers' destruction" and are "calling for a grand jury investigation of NIST officials".

The newspaper reports that Richard Gage, the spokesperson for the architects and engineers said: "Government officials will be notified that "Misprision of Treason,' US Code 18 (Sec. 2382) is a serious Federal offense, which requires those with evidence of treason to act. The implications are enormous and may have profound impact on the forthcoming Khalid Sheik Mohammed trial".

There is now an organization, Firefighters for 9/11 Truth. At the main press conference in San Francisco, Eric Lawyer,the head of that organization, announced the firefighters' support for the architects and engineers' demands.

He reported that no forensic investigation was made of the fires that are alleged to have destroyed the three buildings and that this failure constitutes a crime.

Mandated procedures were not followed, and instead of being preserved and investigated, the crime scene was destroyed.

He also reported that there exist more than one hundred first responders who heard and experienced explosions and that there is radio, audio and video evidence of explosions.

Also at the press conference, physicist Steven Jones presented the evidence of Nano-Thermite in the residue of the WTC buildings found by an international panel of scientists led by University of Copenhagen nano-chemist Professor Niels Harrit.

Nano-Thermite is a high-tech explosive/pyrotechnic capable of instantly melting steel girders.

Before we yell "conspiracy theory," we should be aware that the architects, engineers, firefighters, and scientists offer no theory. They provide evidence that challenges the official theory.

This evidence is not going to go away.

If expressing doubts or reservations about the official story in the 9/11 Commission Report makes a person a conspiracy theory kook, then we have to include in this category both co-chairmen of the 9/11 Commission and the Commission's legal counsel, all of whom have written books in which they clearly acknowledge that they were lied to by Government officials when they conducted their investigation, or, rather, when they presided over the investigation conducted by the Executive Director, Philip Zelikow, a member of President George W. Bush's transition team and Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board and a co-author of Bush Secretary of State Condi "Mushroom" Rice.

There will always be Americans who will believe whatever the government tells them no matter how many times they know the government has lied to them.

Despite expensive wars that threaten Social Security and Medicare, wars based on non-existent Iraqi weapons of mass destruction, non-existent Saddam Hussein connections to al Qaida, non-existent Afghan participation in the 9/11 attacks, and the non-existent Iranian nuclear weapons that are being hyped as the reason for the next American war of aggression in the Middle East, more than half of the U.S. population still believes the fantastic story that the Government has told them about 9/11, a Muslim conspiracy that outwitted the entire Western world.

Moreover, it doesn't matter to these Americans how often the Government changes its story.

For example, Americans first heard of Osama bin Laden because the Bush regime pinned the 9/11 attacks on him. Over the years video after video was served up to the gullible American public of bin Laden's pronouncements. Experts dismissed these videos as fakes, but Americans remained their gullible selves. Then suddenly last year a new 9/11 "mastermind" emerged to take bin Laden's place, the captive Khalid Sheik Mohammed, the detainee who was waterboarded 183 times until he confessed to masterminding the 9/11 attack.

In the Middle Ages confessions extracted by torture constituted evidence, but self-incrimination has been a no-no in the U.S. legal system since our founding. But with the Bush regime and the Republican federal judges, whom we were assured would defend the U.S. Constitution, the self-incrimination of Sheik Mohammed stands today as the only evidence the U.S. government has that Muslim terrorists pulled off 9/11.

If you consider the feats attributed to Khalid Sheik Mohammed, they are simply unbelievable. Sheik Mohammed is a more brilliant, capable superhero than V in the fantasy movie, "V for Vendetta". Sheik Mohammed outwitted all 16 U.S. intelligence agencies along with those of all U.S. allies or puppets, including Israel's Mossad.

No intelligence service on earth, or all of them combined, was a match for Sheik Mohammed.

Sheik Mohammed outwitted the U.S. National Security Council, Dick Cheney, the Pentagon, the State Department, NORAD, the U.S. Air Force, and Air Traffic Control. He caused Airport Security to fail four times in one morning. He caused the state-of-the-art air defenses of the Pentagon to fail, allowing a hijacked airliner, which was off course all morning while the U.S. Air Force, for the first time in history, was unable to get aloft intercepter aircraft, to crash into the Pentagon.

Sheik Mohammed was able to perform these feats with unqualified pilots.

Sheik Mohammed, even as a waterboarded detainee, has managed to prevent the Federal Bureau of Investigation from releasing the many confiscated videos that would show, according to the official story, the hijacked airliner hitting the Penagon.

How naive do you have to be to believe that any human, or for that matter Hollywood fantasy character, is this powerful and capable?

If Sheik Mohammed has these superhuman capabilities, how did the incompetent Americans catch him? This guy is a patsy tortured into confession in order to keep the American naifs believing the government's conspiracy theory.

What is going on here is that the US government has to bring the 9/11 mystery to an end. The Government must put on trial and convict a culprit so that it can close the case before it explodes. Anyone waterboarded 183 times would confess to anything.

The US government has responded to the evidence being arrayed against its outlandish 9/11 conspiracy theory by redefining the war on terror from external to internal enemies. Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano said on February 21 that American extremists are now as big a concern as international terrorists. Extremists, of course, are people who get in the way of the government's agenda, such as the 1,000 Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth.

The group used to be 100, now it is 1,000. What if it becomes 10,000?

Cass Sunstein, an Obama regime official, has a solution for the 9/11 skeptics: Infiltrate them and provoke them into statements and actions that can be used to discredit or to arrest them. But get rid of them at all cost.

Why employ such extreme measures against alleged kooks if they only provide entertainment and laughs? Is the government worried that they are on to something?

Instead, why doesn't the US Government simply confront the evidence that is presented and answer it?

If the architects, engineers, firefighters, and scientists are merely kooks, it would be a simple matter to acknowledge their evidence and refute it.

Why is it necessary to infiltrate them with police agents and to set them up?

Many Americans would reply that "their" government would never even dream of killing Americans by hijacking airliners and destroying buildings in order to advance a government agenda. But on February 3, National Intelligence Director Dennis Blair told the House Intelligence Committee that the US government can assassinate its own citizens when they are overseas. No arrest, trial, or conviction of a capital crime is necessary. Just straight out murder.

Obviously, if the US government can murder its citizens abroad it can murder them at home, and has done so. For example, 100 Branch Davidians were murdered in Waco, Texas, by the Clinton administration for no legitimate reason. The government just decided to use its power knowing that it could get away with it, which it did.

Americans who think "their" government is some kind of morally pure operation would do well to familiarize themselves with Operation Northwoods. Operation Northwoods was a plot drawn up by the US Joint Chiefs of Staff for the CIA to commit acts of terrorism in American cities and fabricate evidence blaming Castro so that the US could gain domestic and international support for regime change in Cuba. The secret plan was nixed by President John F. Kennedy and was declassified by the John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Review Board.

It is available online in the National Security Archive. There are numerous online accounts available, including Wikipedia. James Bamford's book, Body of Secrets, also summarizes the plot:

"Operation Northwoods, which had the written approval of the Chairman [Gen. Lemnitzer] and every member of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, called for innocent people to be shot on American streets; for boats carrying refugees fleeing Cuba to be sunk on the high seas; for a wave of violent terrorism to be launched in Washington, D.C., Miami, and elsewhere. People would be framed for bombings they did not commit; planes would be hijacked. Using phony evidence, all of it would be blamed on Castro, thus giving Lemnitzer and his cabal the excuse, as well as the public and international backing, they needed to launch their war".

Prior to 9/11 the American neoconservatives were explicit that the wars of aggression that they intended to launch in the Middle East required "a new Pearl Harbor".

For their own good and that of the wider world, Americans need to pay attention to the growing body of experts who are telling them that the government's account of 9/11 fails their investigation. 9/11 launched the neoconservative plan for US world hegemony.

As I write, the US government is purchasing the agreement of foreign governments that border Russia to accept US missile interceptor bases. The US intends to ring Russia with US missile bases from Poland through central Europe and Kosovo to Georgia, Azerbaijan and central Asia.

US envoy Richard Holbrooke declared on February 20 2010 that al Qaida is moving into former Central Asian constituent parts of the Soviet Union, such as Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, and Kazakhstan. Holbrooke is soliciting US bases in these former Soviet Republics under the guise of the ever-expanding "war on terror".

The United States has already encircled Iran with military bases. The US government intends to neutralize China by seizing control over the Middle East and cutting China off from oil.

This plan assumes that Russia and China, nuclear armed states, will be intimidated by US anti-missile defenses and will acquiesce in US hegemony and that China will lack oil for its industries and military.

The US government is delusional. Russian military and political leaders have responded to the obvious threat by declaring NATO a direct threat to the security of Russia and by announcing a change in Russian war doctrine to the pre-emptive launch of nuclear weapons. The Chinese are too confident to be bullied by a washed-up American "superpower".

The morons in Washington are pushing the envelope of nuclear war.

The insane drive for American hegemony threatens life on earth. The American people, by accepting the lies and deceptions of "their" government, are facilitating this outcome.

[azza33]

Just a simple question- can we get these engineers to tell us how they could have made all these buildings collapse in such a way and how many kgs of explosives would have been required, exactly where to place them, advise how 8 million people couldn't notice a planned demolition being stategically executed.

Just curious- because if they can't understand how the buildings fell down then sure as shit none of them could have planned anything.

I seriously hate this type of inane dribble written by embiciles.
It happened - do some research instead of quoting a moron. 9/11 was not the 1st attempt to fly a big airliner into a building. You will find the 1st major plan was to be executed in Paris -just can't recall how it was stopped- but it was a couple of years before 9/11.

9/11is just an amazing intelligence fuck up on a scale never seen before. Every bit of intelligence was gathered but never put together until after the fact. - it's just a monumental example of incompetence.
Sad to know all hijacker were flagged by airport security and searched - but again the competence of the people involved was sub standard- everyone who has ever flown would know this anyways!

Please do some viewing - there a some great programs on the engineering Of both the world trade centre and the pentagon. Again they are only theories as regular flying of $180 million airplanes into 100 floor buildings or pentagon type structures is not done too often.

[azza33]

Oh and I say surround Russia they have more nuclear weapons than any other country- oh and as for pre emption you'll find they did that 40 odd years back- preemptive short range strike was authorized during the Cuban missile crisis.
Just because they said the cold war ended doesn't mean it really ever did.
Do you really think a country with 40000 warheads who is your enemy yesterday is somehow all happy and pointing them somewhere else today?

[Torurot]

FckSake Azza. Never a mention about all the Israeli and US nukes? Equal opportunity offence. Where are they pointing, and why doesn't the US & Israel allow Atomic weapons facilities inspections by IAEA?? I see,, one rule for one ....

Did you know that all the lift shafts were being refurbished over a period of months immediately prior.. Nothing to see here... move along. You could of course believe in sheer force of coincidence, just like Chappel Corby's AMAZING lack of operating security cameras at every point from Australia North..... amazing!

[azza33]

I wont copy and paste the entire article here... for those with a notion of engineering feel free to understand the basics
of the collapase of the WTC.

WTC collapse

just an extract:

A basic engineering assessment of the design of the World Trade Center dispels many of the myths about its collapse. First, the perimeter tube design of the towers protected them from failing upon impact. The outer columns were engineered to stiffen the towers in heavy wind, and they protected the inner core, which held the gravity load. Removal of some of the outer columns alone could not bring the building down. Furthermore, because of the stiffness of the perimeter design, it was impossible for the aircraft impact to topple the building.

However, the building was not able to withstand the intense heat of the jet fuel fire. While it was impossible for the fuel-rich, diffuse-flame fire to burn at a temperature high enough to melt the steel, its quick ignition and intense heat caused the steel to lose at least half its strength and to deform, causing buckling or crippling. This weakening and deformation caused a few floors to fall, while the weight of the stories above them crushed the floors below, initiating a domino collapse.

It would be impractical to design buildings to withstand the fuel load induced by a burning commercial airliner

"I often say . . . that when you can measure what you are speaking about, and express it in numbers, you know something about it; but when you cannot measure it, when you cannot express it in numbers, your knowledge is of a meager and unsatisfactory kind; it may be the beginning of knowledge, but you have scarcely, in your thoughts, advanced to the stage of science, whatever the matter may be."

[azza33]

Did you know that all the lift shafts were being refurbished over a period of months immediately prior..  Nothing to see here... move along

I am concerned now my fellow board members... let it be known that my office, containing financial companies,  sits above a railway station and each year its lift are regularly refurbished... we think nothing of this event!
It all seems strangely co-incidental don't you feel .... so If you do not hear from me .... it has likely been that i too am a victim of a government conspiracy & Australias pearl harbour has begun.

Never a mention about all the Israeli and US nukes?

I feel quite confident that they are not pointed at Australia... so i see no reason to concern myself.

I see,, one rule for one ....

Sure... valid point... but really... they are all on our side so hey that rule is fair... no?     .. it really only appears unfair to the other side... but hey we don't trust them - so out point of view is far more important.

just like Chappel Corby's AMAZING lack of operating security cameras at every point from Australia North..... amazing!

Of course that was a conspiracy to bring down one of the world best known and most notorious drug baroness. My god that coup was amazing... and since there has never been any drug importation nor use in Indonesia and apparently Australia for that matter.
It has been a clinical success... textbook operation for the crime fighting generations.
A conspiracy played out and 99.9% didn't pick it up .... so sad for the poor ex Japanese hostess & her family of trailor park druggies.

[Stewart]

Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, an organization of professionals which now has 1,000 members.

A quick google search and 30 second read of the website of the American Society of Civil Engineers, shows that the ASCE has 147,000 members.

If my maths is correct, that makes approximately 146,000 professionals who think that this conspiracy theory is a load of bollocks

Sheik Mohammed was able to perform these feats with unqualified pilots.

You don't have to be a qualified pilot to fly an airliner into a building FFS!! All you have to do is hijack 2 people who are qualified pilots, tell them you will cut their throats if they don't point the plane towards Manhattan, then cut their throats and steer the plane the final few miles.

Any idiot can steer a plan when it is already flying in the right direction........even you could could do that Torurot!

[blonde_havoc]

Do people seriously *actually* believe that 9/11 was some kind of government conspiracy? Really? Honestly? Truthfully?

[ciobha]

Oy hell yes, I believe it all, it's bloody true.

I also believe Michael Jackson isn't dead. It was all staged and he is actually alive and well and living in a two bedroom semi in Clapham Common.
Freddie Mercury is currently a high ranking figure in the Free Presbatyrian
Church,championing the cause of family values by fighting homosexuality
and all the evil associated with it.
Elvis was abducted by rock and roll loving aliens.
The Grand Canyon is not a wonder of the world. In fact up until 1932 it was just a small ravine, when that summer a passing scotsman dropped a halfpenny into the ravine and dug with his bare hands for two months until he found his lost coin, and so the Grand Canyon was formed.

Oh, and Ladyboys don't actually exist. They are an optical illusion caused by a disease of the rhetna, which makes us believe we are seeing beautiful women with a penis, when in fact they all are identical doubles of Bella Emberg.

I know all this is true because I read it in the Sport newspaper. So there.

[Dieter]

Of course "No" cause I don't know a American who was clever enough...Only Bill Gates and he had an alibi ....

What you want tell the Americans...or what they should believe... when you don't can find Osma Bin Laden.....


Dieter

[strocube]

As far as 9/11 is concerned I think I'd be a fool to believe the official version of events.
We've been lied to about so much for so long that it is damn near impossible to know what the fuck is really going on.
Yes, I think this government, or elements within this government, are more than capable of killing huge numbers of its own people to further its ends, no question. Whether or not they were actually competent enough to pull it off is another question entirely.
I remain agnostic about what happened and VERY skeptical of anything coming form the media in this country. They are lying rat-bastards, especially you-know-who.

[whore]

the media in this country. They are lying rat-bastards, especially you-know-who.

CNN ?