'Kreng jai!' Is it bullshit to you, to?

[pacman]

AMEN to that...

[Naang Faa]

Dax/Robbo can either of you elaborate on your problem with "boys in dresses" and "street girls"
showing kreng jai?
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[Road Runner]

I see you've managed to come up with a suitable avatar Naang Faa to match the tone of this thread.

RR.

[Stogie]

Well, we know she can count to 1!

[Naang Faa]

Calm down,just a broken nail thats all...
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[mister_smith]

 Silly Cow

Yeah Dax I hear ya, It pisses me off big time how these fucking Thais always use the face crap to weasel out of any difficult situation

Bitch kicks up shit because you choose another LB well don't retaliate because they'll lose face

Chiseling cunt bar owner pads your bill, well don't retaliate because they'll lose face

Scamming cunt LB wants to leave after 1 hour into a LT and still wants the full payment, well don't retaliate because they'll lose face

[swaraj]

Let's try that another way then Stogie shall we:
Chill out you guy's, enjoy the trip

[Naang Faa]

(mister_smith @ Mar. 16 2009,13:40)  Silly Cow

Yeah Dax I hear ya, It pisses me off big time how these fucking Thais always use the face crap to weasel out of any difficult situation

Bitch kicks up shit because you choose another LB well don't retaliate because they'll lose face

Chiseling cunt bar owner pads your bill, well don't retaliate because they'll lose face

Scamming cunt LB wants to leave after 1 hour into a LT and still wants the full payment, well don't retaliate because they'll lose face

A fine example of losing face
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[paultain]

(mister_smith @ Mar. 16 2009,19:40)  Silly Cow

Yeah Dax I hear ya, It pisses me off big time how these fucking Thais always use the face crap to weasel out of any difficult situation

Bitch kicks up shit because you choose another LB well don't retaliate because they'll lose face

Chiseling cunt bar owner pads your bill, well don't retaliate because they'll lose face

Scamming cunt LB wants to leave after 1 hour into a LT and still wants the full payment, well don't retaliate because they'll lose face

When you are the stupid one that this has happened to........... then the only one who has lost face is you

[rossco]

Saving Face is very important in Asia and the Orient - it is part of their culture.

In some ways I think it actually enables them to co-exist in the most populace area on the planet.

So the thread started was aimed at LB's etc BUT "saving face" applies to Business, Family and so on.
It is a 'respect' that does not exist (sadly) in the West  - we really are an ignorant set of self opinionated idiots!

As an example. A kid is in class at school. The teacher is teaching but a kid wants to ask a question - 'prisoner's dilemma':

Kid asks question and makes the teacher look stupid. Loss of face for teacher.
Kid asks question and kid looks stupid in front of peers. Loss of face for student.

I have seen this in business and private life in Asia over many years (I had the good fortune to work in Asia for some years).

So Asian society believes it is better NOT to put someone in a difficult situation - how the West could benefit from such a principle. Oh yes in the West we just ridicule everyone and then run out of people to ridicule - what a noble sport!

The West suffers from lack of respect in Business, Politics, Family, School - I love the UK attitude.

If your kid vandalizes his/her home the parents take out an ASBO (Anti Social Behavioral Order) on the little shit who should have been given a good hiding in his/her early development and learnt to 'respect' his/her elders.

Of course now it is illegal to use physical discipline in the UK - we can now see the benefits of such wisdom. Kids in Asia are generally better behaved than those awful brats currently bred in Europe and the USA.

Such is the West. I prefer Asia anytime.

Oh, by the way, just because someone works in the P4P industry (to satisfy your urges/demands) do they demand less respect as people? - perhaps they should take an ASBO out on you as an asshole.........

Remember we are all prostitutes - we all sell our skills for profit - just in varying ways. Fact.

[mister_smith]

(rossco @ Mar. 16 2009,21:11) As an example. A kid is in class at school. The teacher is teaching but a kid wants to ask a question - 'prisoner's dilemma':

Kid asks question and makes the teacher look stupid. Loss of face for teacher.
Kid asks question and kid looks stupid in front of peers. Loss of face for student.

So Asian society believes it is better NOT to put someone in a difficult situation - how the West could benefit from such a principle.

Oh yes in the West we just ridicule everyone and then run out of people to ridicule - what a noble sport!

So basically the Kid doesn't ask the question and stays a shit thick cunt? Oh well somebody as to drive the motorbike taxis

Whats wrong with asking awkward questions and putting someone in the spot? Fucks me we're all adults

[rossco]

Whats wrong with asking awkward questions and putting someone in the spot? Fucks me we're all adults

I was talking about KIDS not adults. So to explain a little further as it is obviously not too clear to all folk.

In Asia you ask the question after class directly to the teacher - 1 to 1. Got it? Teacher saves face as does student - RESPECT mutually.

Same in business. You do your presentation and everyone applauds you. After you lobby each 'department head' about any issues.

Your summation was a typical Westernized, narrow minded, perception - you do not understand. Such is Hollywood Mister Smith....

[Stingray]

None of the scenarios discussed here have anything to do with Kreng Jai, think you have the wrong word.

[mister_smith]

rossco those examples you give happen in my office everyday, There's even a private room on every floor where ppl can go and sort stuff out hardly an asian thing

[rossco]

Do not underestimate the significance/importance - see other objective explanations:

http://www.beyondintractability.org/essay/face/

http://www.thaipulse.com/thai-people/thai-concept-of-face.htm

So to make sure we are speaking of the same expression here is a summary of Thai (in Thai) and Farang Thai.

เสียหน้า SIA (rising) NAH (falling) - to lose face
ขายหน้า KHAI (rising) NAH (falling) - to lose face
หน้าแตก NAH (falling) DTAEK (low) - to lose face
ไว้หน้า WAI (high) NAH (falling) - to save face
กู้หน้า GOO (falling) NAH (falling) - to save face
แก้หน้า GAE (falling) NAH (falling) - to regain (repair) face
ได้หน้า DAI (falling) NAH (falling) - to gain face
หน้าหนา NAH (falling) NAH (rising) - thick-skinned, shameless