YOUR top 5 election promises...

[stogie bear]

(bigmick22 @ Jul. 20 2008,20:38) they don't look like turban-wearing immigrants either!

My experience of white trash in the UK this past summer has given me a new found respect for the Polish.

Unfortunately, there is no need for Brits to work (or indeed do anything) while the government is happy to pay them to stay at home and let immigrants do the jobs.

How can we have an unemployment problem in this country while we are dishing out billions in free cash to the lazy and housing and feeding millions of people who don't belong here.

Amazing!

Thailand has it right.

Make it fucking next to impossible to live and work here unless you are born here.
Simple system and everyone is happy.

[Guest]

Hello

Stogie you missed one. ( yes you deleted many id's but this one you missed). So I help Mr Grumpy a bit. After reading this nonsense I simply had to post a final comment:
I think you are disgrace .Even mentioning people who fought two wars so that you had a future to write crap like this. Telling everybody the Uk is going to the dogs. Or maybe Europe is. Well I can tell you it is not. Democracy might not be your cup of tea. But think and speak to people who actually lived in an area where some rules you are applying were fact. Maybe you like to speak to my father who was 17 years old and spent a nice " holiday" in one of Adolphs fun camps. He can tell you what it means when police can kick to shit out of "criminals" . The germans were masters at it and this kind of arrogant british bullshit pisses me off . Britain was lucky it was an island and stood against those idiots. By now a far more greater danger is coming alive. And that are armies full of stogies. Narrow minded little schoolmasters having trouble with their dick all the time. Adolph had a similar problem and that is why he started his idiotic new order. Truly Stogie you want to travel that same road ?
Yes now in your view it are arab or illegal immigrants who are a danger to our freedom. 75 years ago it were the jews who had stolen all the money and tricked everybody. Now it is this . In fact it were and are now narrow minded sacks of wind like you Stogie who form the real danger. Tell me is this forum your work??? I rather call it exploiting and there you meet old adolph again. Ever heard of the word compassion. No i don't think so because then you should have a heart. To be honest with you Stogie you don't have a heart. And don't think Viagra or cialis can solve that one. Ask your friend RXPharm ( the doctor Morell of the forum / he can explain it to you)
And stogie please before banning me finally don't call me your son( I'm glad because having a father like stogie would force me to join the olympic games for russian roulette) or threaten me to squash me like a flie. (Hollow threats like that don't impress me and never will) It only proves what you are: a nobody like all of us including me.
Stogie do us all a favor. Stay in thailand until you drop dead. Europe has seen too many Stogies in the past to need another one. Go to the guess bar and have a few drinks . Perhaps you see your old friend Ozzie. When you come home go to sleep and please dream of being the new Lb fuhrer. For once at least a few moments of real joy in your empty life.

Bye Bye blackbear

[stogie bear]

So... I'll put you down as 'undecided', then...

[seamus]

(Naang Faa @ Jul. 20 2008,14:24) Chavs are Burberry wearing youth,drive vauxhall novas,have pit-bull terriers and think they'er "'ard"



P.S an ASBO is an Anti-Social Behavior Order...
                                                                      x

A good reason not to have kids in the UK, also as yet ladyboys cant give birth

[seamus]

(jimslim @ Jul. 20 2008,14:16) Count me in on that one also , I guess the Irish have just had more of a history of class struggle , don't forget we were the original immigrants .

These islands were Celtic b4 anything else, some "Q" speaking, some "P" speaking, but all Celts, so these were Celtic islands to start with, so that does not make us immigrants  






Seamus  

[Naang Faa]

But they can reproduce
x

[bigmick22]

(stogie bear @ Jul. 20 2008,13:37) So... I'll put you down as 'undecided', then...

yes - his vote is still up for grabs.

[jimslim]

(seamus @ Jul. 21 2008,04:12)

(jimslim @ Jul. 20 2008,14:16) Count me in on that one also , I guess the Irish have just had more of a history of class struggle , don't forget we were the original immigrants .

These islands were Celtic b4 anything else, some "Q" speaking, some "P" speaking, but all Celts, so these were Celtic islands to start with, so that does not make us immigrants  

I mean't immigrants around the rest of the world , America , Australia , UK etc , not so long ago the Irish were the bogeymen in Britain , I recall getting detained and questioned almost every time I travelled to the mainland , despite having no criminal record and living in Northern Ireland which is part of the UK .

Stereotyping and racism , been around a while now

[sashasexy69]

um....SB, Whats Post Number: 32 all about- sorry man but that was harsh....but really liked ur aloof response !!!
Hey-we r right behind u man!

[stogie bear]

Yeah... Stogie haters are in the woodwork here!

And it's no good being behind me... I need a big crowd of bruisers in front of me!

Seriously though... the guy has some good points...

I am unsympathetic and heartless... I do agree with 'jackboot policies' as regards law and order. I do agree that compassion is an expensive commodity to have an excess of.

I think as energy, food and services grow increasingly difficult to acquire a few more people will be feeling the same way about their once wealthy countries which have been handed over to a generation of criminal immigrants.

You can look at the UK through the rose tinted spectacles of youth or idealism, but the people who you are extending your visions of harmony to don't want it and wouldn't know what to do with a democratic caring society if it was installed on their own property by the Americans.

It's all very well marching round the world in tanks handing out 'freedom' like candy and opening your doors to the poor sods who just want a fair crack at a decent life... but that's not what is happening.

People are coming here and turning our country into an extension of their country.

I never voted for that! No one asked me if it was OK to have loudspeakers wailing the fucking Koran at 5 o clock every morning. No one asked me if it was OK for 9 year old Indian girls to marry their uncles and have their genitals ripped out by local witch doctors because it's not yet on the National Health Service.

No one asked me if it was alright for gangs of Africans and Asians to rip off the benefits system in the UK for hundreds of millions of pounds each year while the government set up a task force to combat it that consists of a minister with a girls name and a few hundred stolen laptops!

No one asked me if it was alright to invite the entire population of the poorest countries in Europe to swarm in and fill up our schools, factories and hospitals with people who can't speak English but demand the right to be treated as such.

No one asked me if it was OK to finance anyone who doesn't feel like working with a nice big house and enough cash to get drunk and high every day of the week...

The poster benturpin is going to get his wish... I WILL drop down dead in Thailand (or some place like it) because I've been evicted out of my own country.

[pacman]

(bigmick22 @ Jul. 21 2008,02:45)

(pacman @ Jul. 20 2008,04:16) Bigmick is the perfect example of those who need their eyes opened to reality, with his sharp mind & accute intelligence, he can keep his liberal views, but he should understand that what is happening is both dangerous & final.

my deepest gratitude for the permission to form my own opinions and not have to side with the mob - although, I suspect that what you mean is that my views are fine until they clash with yours and then I'd better shut the fuck up!

I'm not surprised, but a little disappointed

Scare-mongering and an aggressive tone do not an argument make

I was hoping not to disappoint you bigmick, in fact I agonised how to make my point without making it personal, but in the end I included your name because I knew you could make a worthy contribution to the debate.

If it requires the populace to be made scared before anything gets done about the idiotic policies the West seems intent on imposing on them, then that is what needs to happen.

I don't think I can be accused of aggression in any public debate, it turns off the very people I want to convince, but I am aware of the debating technique to seize the high moral ground, then nit-pick arguments to death by contant sniping at my "godlessness".

There is no wrong or right side here, if you think about what is important long enough we must all be on the same side.

You will then retain the freedom to keep all your views with no objection from me, but I only ask you to recognise there is an agenda going on in the UK that is simply unsustainable.

[pacman]

(benturpin @ Jul. 21 2008,03:19) Hello

Stogie you missed one. ( yes you deleted many id's but this one you missed). So I help Mr Grumpy a bit.  After reading this nonsense I simply had to post a final comment:
I think you are disgrace .Even mentioning people who fought two wars so that you had a future to write crap like this. Telling everybody the Uk is going to the dogs. Or maybe Europe is. Well I can tell you it is not. Democracy might not be your cup of tea. But think and speak to people who actually lived in an area where some rules you are applying were fact. Maybe you like to speak to my father who was 17 years old and spent a nice " holiday" in one of Adolphs fun camps. He can tell you what it means when police can kick to shit out of "criminals" . The germans were masters at it and this kind of arrogant british bullshit pisses me off . Britain was lucky it was an island and stood against those idiots. By now a far more greater danger is coming alive. And that are armies full of stogies. Narrow minded little schoolmasters having trouble with their dick all the time. Adolph had a similar problem and that is why he started his idiotic new order. Truly Stogie you want to travel that same road ?
Yes now in your view it are  arab or illegal immigrants who are a danger to our freedom. 75 years ago it were the jews who had stolen all the money and tricked everybody. Now it is this . In fact it were and are now narrow minded sacks of wind like you Stogie who form the real danger. Tell me is this forum your work??? I rather call it exploiting and there you meet old adolph again. Ever heard of the word compassion. No i don't think so because then you should have a heart. To be honest with you Stogie you don't have a heart. And don't think Viagra or cialis can solve that one. Ask your friend RXPharm ( the doctor Morell of the forum / he can explain it to you)
And stogie please before banning me finally don't call me your son( I'm glad because having a father like stogie would force me to join the olympic games for russian roulette) or threaten me to squash me like a flie. (Hollow threats like that don't impress me and never will) It only proves what you are: a nobody like all of us including me.
Stogie do us all a favor. Stay in thailand until you drop dead. Europe has seen too many Stogies in the past to need another one. Go to the guess bar and have a few drinks . Perhaps you see your old friend Ozzie. When you come home go to sleep and please dream of being the new Lb fuhrer. For once at least a few moments of real joy in your empty life.

Bye Bye blackbear

Hi benturpin, we've never met personally but I have met a lot of guys just like you.

They & you all carry a favourite argument around with them waiting for the chance to use it. And with Stogie's post you found your chance.

You have taken exception to Stogie's forthright views, as is your right, then neatly label him as the new Hitler, because he was the most extreme example of someone who also held hardline views.

I don't accept that appealing for some new thinking & adjustment to ridiculous laws makes anyone a disgrace. If we live in a democracy we all get our say, but to segue your attack against Stogie by comparing him to a Nazi reveals what is going on in your mind.

Now you can unload your diatribe against this wanna-be Hitler, the real evil one you despise.

I don't disagree that the intolerance that allowed the rise of the Third Reich was bad, but I find it a bit rich that Stogie is now the face of evil because he dares to write some heart-felt opinions.

You talk about compassion on the one hand but show little yourself. We may all be nobodies, but I for one won't lay down when the freedoms of the West are under attack like never before & our very way of life needs defending.

Good luck to you benturnip, you have honoured your father's memory, but I just don't believe that Stogie is the true evil one you try so hard to make him out to be.

[bigmick22]

(pacman @ Jul. 20 2008,16:43) I don't think I can be accused of aggression in any public debate,

you are correct. My intention was to make a general comment and it was not directed at you

[Guest]

(stogie bear @ Jul. 21 2008,03:37)   So... I'll put you down as 'undecided', then...  

Hello Stogie

Up to you Mr Stogie

[Guest]

Hello Mr Pacman

Yes we have never met and the changes that we ever will are almost zero. What amazes me is that you seem to know me and try some pyshological insight to describe what kind of person I am. Again it doesn't work. Sorry Pacman you are not good at it. If you think your freedom is at risk then join the stogie army and vote for these kind of views. But remember once you live in a paradise Stogie is writing about you won't able to have your freedom of speech. Instead look why people ( no matter what race or religion) become fanatics or a danger to your freedom. In most cases denial or far more important unemployment.
Do you think Hitler had a chance in 30's if Germany was a healthy economic power. No way. Many people sold their soul to the devil because in the years before there was no work, inflation etc. And the jews were a nice factor for Hitler to blame everything on. Now we see similar things happen. Stogie calls me undecided. Ok i don't mind because again it shows me that I was right about this hollow man.
If you agree with Stogies views please do. I never will. People who agree with this have no compassion. By the way how you know I show little compassion? You have never met me and still you judge.Or do you base your judgement on view postson this forum. Ok lets judge on what people write on forums then read some of stogies posts. Lately he post a comment on lb69 about a man attacked by an lb. Read that post, if that is compassion to you then the devil must be a saint. A man with a heart of stone or a deep hate for himself writes that. In some religions they call people like that a dead or blind soul. Mr Pacman whatever side you are on I don't care. Why? because there are no sides. Fools who believe that are cravers. And you are one. Further it is not my intention to start another topic. To be honest a waste of time.
People who to spent their life with posting are flushing their life away through the toilet. Ready Stogie crap is like breaking the wind.
Mr Pacman be lucky you had parents who never experienced the ideas mr stogie underlines. Then you would see what kind of guys Stogies are. Fortunately I never met many of them as they faded away.