How to "fall in love"

[Naang Faa]

(Monkey @ Jan. 27 2008,03:59)

Who's worse? The guy who chases a 20 year old girl because she looks 13? Or the guy who chases a 13 year old girl because she looks 20?

They're as bad as each other imo

If the guy chases the 20yo purely because she looks 13 then he's just a 'legalised paedophile'...

...as for the 13yo who looks like 20, well, she is still only 13 no matter how old she looks. She is still just a kid and will still be a kid in her head (most 20yo's are still fairly immature) no matter how 'mature for her age' she is, and the guy should walk away when he discovers she's 13 (it shouldn't take long to find out)

Just my take...

Right on the button Monkey..
x

[FB-lover!]

[Looker]

(Monkey @ Jan. 27 2008,03:59) ...as for the 13yo who looks like 20

And where have you seen a 13 y.o. who looks like 20

[stogie bear]

If the guy chases the 20yo purely because she looks 13 then he's just a 'legalised paedophile'...

I don't think this works...

Surely we set limits on the age of consent to protect people from physical and mental sexual abuse.

If a guy likes a 20 year old because she looks 13 then he's taking a sensible and legal way out to fulfilling his illegal fantasy. making up jargon like "legal pedophile" is a bit like saying that a person would be likely to break the law so we better make some just in case!

If you doubt that men like girls of post-pubescent age then just type 'barely legal' into any search engine!

You can legislate against the instincts of man, but you cannot change them!

Bare in mind that most guys who like sex prefer it with a girl who is on the cusp of childbearing age. It's a human instinct.

[FB-lover!]

 ok, it's interesting

[Looker]

(stogie bear @ Jan. 27 2008,13:22) Bare in mind that most guys who like sex prefer it with a girl who is on the cusp of childbearing age. It's a human instinct.

Which happens to be, if I understood it clearly, from 12 to 59 y.o.
http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/333/2/101

[Monkey]

(Looker @ Jan. 27 2008,04:04) And where have you seen a 13 y.o. who looks like 20

I don't ID everybody I see so it's hard to tell, rough guess = not seen many, but seeing as it's a hypothetical question that's irrelevant.

(stogie bear @ Jan. 27 2008,05:22) If a guy likes a 20 year old because she looks 13 then he's taking a sensible and legal way out to fulfilling his illegal fantasy. making up jargon like "legal pedophile" is a bit like saying that a person would be likely to break the law so we better make some just in case!

I'm not sure it's illegal to fantasise, not yet anyway...

I used "legal pedophile" for want of a better way to express it. What I meant was this hypothetical guy has a predilection for young girls, and although he might be 'legal' in dating the 20yo, for me he is morally wrong because it is purely for the fact that she looks 13.

This is all just my 2 cents, I don't intend to impose my morals on other people just as I don't expect them to impose theirs upon me.

(stogie bear @ Jan. 27 2008,05:22) If you doubt that men like girls of post-pubescent age then just type 'barely legal' into any search engine!

Oh, I have no doubts whatsoever, just look at how popular the 'teen' sites and Japenese 'schoolgirl' sites are.
However, wanking over a girl who looks 13yo is, to me, wrong, that's no different than if she really is 13. I don't care if she is 20, but like I said, that's just me.

(Looker @ Jan. 27 2008,07:44) Which happens to be, if I understood it clearly, from 12 to 59 y.o.

So, does that make it right?
I know that it's accepted in some cultures to marry at 13 but they aren't using the girls purely for sex.

(stogie bear @ Jan. 27 2008,05:22) You can legislate against the instincts of man, but you cannot change them!

At the end of the day it comes down to the individual, we all know what's right and what's wrong (apart from people with certain medical conditions of course) and there shouldn't really need to be any laws, but while there are people around that will exploit children for their own sexual gratification then there has to be.

Instinct is one thing, self restraint is another. It's what seperates us from the animals...

[divertwo]

.....that and our opposable thumbs ........well I guess apes have them too...hmmm..and opossum...

[Looker]

(divertwo @ Jan. 27 2008,19:31) .....that and our opposable thumbs ........well I guess apes have them too...hmmm..and opossum...

I think also Koala and maybe Pandas (not sure on that) and yet, wouldn't bed them
Although..Koalas are kind of cute

[doug]

(ripcurl @ Jan. 26 2008,15:24) ok ive read this blog/sexual conquest report/advice column

wheres the rest.......what happens next??

what happened to doug?

(stogie bear @ Jan. 26 2008,15:34) Good questions... I suspect his regular girlfriend is back in town and he's been behaving himself!  

Wow, I'd almost forgotten about this old thread.  Thanks for bumping it .  

All those haters have to admit that for a thread with no photos, 7500+ views ain't bad   .

Well, I guess I'd better get things back on topic before this thread gets hijacked by a debate on pedophilia and underaged girls in the p4p scene.  Yeah, I know I nicknamed the girl in this thread, "Lolita", but that's really a debate for another thread.

Let's keep this thread focused on two things:  1) The need for privacy and common sense when "dating" slightly unstable bargirls of any kind, and 2) my surreal adventures in Thailand.

Yeah, Stogie's right, my girlfriend is back in town for a while, but I haven't been behaving myself.   I've been BUSY, but not good .

I can't remember where I left off.  I think I was talking about something and then got interrupted by a bootie call, but I can't for the life of me remember what I was talking about.  Ah well, when I get a minute, I'll re-read those old posts and pick up where I left off.

In the mean time, let me give a brief outline of what's been going on lately.

"Twiggy" has called me up a few times for gangbangs, and that's always fun.  Previously, when my girlfriend was stuck in Japan, she had participated by webcam but now that she's in Bangkok, she didn't want to be left out on the fun.  

So the girls invited us over and they gossiped with my girlfriend over dinner and drinks like old friends.  Then we retired to the bedroom and Twiggy and her friends just used me while my girlfriend looked on (playing with herself, of course).  She even got in on the act a little bit and she shyly sucked on Twiggy's nipples for a bit, and then more enthusiastically finger-fucked me while I fucked Twiggy (that was hot, btw).

They go shopping and trade make-up like sisters now, so that's worked out great.  The wonderful thing about my girlfriend is that she's not the typical brain-dead, no-common-sense girl you'd find in Bangkok.  She's spent a lot of time overseas and so she "gets it", you know what I mean?  She's intelligent and independent and I don't have to babysit her ego just to keep her happy.

At first, she was just curious about ladyboys because she knew I'd been with them before and she wondered what all the fuss was about.  But now she really gets off on it, and loves playing around as much as I do.  However, like me, she's keenly aware that privacy is a major concern.  More-so for her, actually, since she's a proper Thai girl from a good, conservative family.  

If anyone in her family found out what she was up to, it'd go off like a bomb.  Of course, for the same reason Catholic girls are so much FUN, coming from that kind of environment just adds an extra bit of spice to everything thing we do.  Because it's all just so "naughty" .

Which means, she not only fully-endorses my "privacy plan", but she plays along with it without complaint.  I don't have to worry about her slipping up and giving someone too much personal info.  In fact, she's a lot more devious than I am.  I could take lessons from this crafty girl!

So for example, Twiggy knows my girlfriend as "Ploy", and when they go shopping together, it's to local markets, not to places where my girlfriend's friends/family hang out (like Paragon).  She'll also drop her car off at the mall and then take a taxi over to Twiggy's place to meet her.  A bit excessive, maybe, but she doesn't want to be too flashy around these girls.

So what's been going on with Lolita and Lily?  Geesh, where to start.  That's a loooong story.  For starters, my girlfriend finally met Lolita, and it was perhaps one of the more surreal moments in my already very surreal life here in Thailand.

Now, I was a bit nervous about this, because my girlfriend had laid down a "no girls" rule before she left, and I kind of violated that with Lily (and Dirty/Som, but she'll never find out about that so it's as good as "never happened" ).  So I was a bit worried that Lolita might spill the beans on me, since she knew something was up between me and Lily.  However, she was a good girl about it, so everything's cool in that regard.

Now, Lolita already knew I had a girlfriend (I'd explained the deal to her right from the start), so she couldn't really complain about anything.  However, I think she had the idea that my girlfriend was probably a bit dumpy-looking (and that's why I chased ladyboys around).  So she was a bit surprised when she met my girlfriend and found out that she wasn't just pretty, but actually quite hot.

My girlfriend was sweet about it, but she did start to "mother hen" Lolita a bit (especially about her taste in clothing, which is something that Lily and I get on her about on a regular basis).  So between that and a bit of jealousy (I think), Lolita didn't really hit it off with my girlfriend like Twiggy did.

Of course, Twiggy's a lot closer to being an actual friend, and so she's pretty cool about everything.  Given the rave reviews Twiggy gets every time her pics show up on this website, I've got no doubt that she's got plenty of suitors to keep her busy, happy, and well-provided for.  I'm just a fuck-toy for her and her friends, so she's not going to get jealous about anything I do .

Lolita, on the other hand, is still a bit new to the scene and VERY immature emotionally.  Of course, in a country where it's normal for men to live with their mom's until they're 30 (at which point, they move in with their wife's mom), it's not surprise to find an emotionally immature Thai person at any age.  They just never really fucking grow up in this country, do they?

So after meeting my girlfriend, she didn't even talk to me for a long time.  When I finally got back in touch with her, she was--sigh--back to work at the bar and more cynical than ever before.  I tried to get Lily to sort her out, but she seems convinced that she "needs money" and the "only way" to get it is in the bar.

Now there's a lot more to the girlfriend/Lolita meeting that what I've gone into here, but I'll relate that story another time.  It's really, really strange, even by my standards.

By the way, anyone who thinks I'm a manipulative bastard (is right), needs to compare me to the "other man" in Lolita's life.  And no, I'm not talking about the faceless mob of johns that parade in and out of the bar every night.  I'm talking about the BAR OWNER.

Holy shit, you have to be one twisted, manipulative SOB to be a bar owner.  Seriously, those guys are fucking masters of the mind-game.  It's not surprising that they like to hire young girls.  Not only do many customers prefer younger girls, but given the immature nature of Thai culture, a 18 to 25 year old girl has all the common sense and self-esteem of the average 10 year old western kid.  So once they fall into the bar scene, these guys just TWIST them up and USE the shit out of them.

How fucked up is a job where you have to pay to work and pay to take time off and pay to leave work early and pay to "x" and pay to "y" and pay to "z"??  Fuck, these guys totally fleece these girls for everything they can, and most of the girls are too stupid or too fucked-up to know they are getting a raw deal.

So, yeah, I was "manipulating" Lolita.  But let's see, I was "manipulating" her to wear decent clothes, go back to school, and avoid the pitfalls of bad "friends" who'd drag her into drugs and prostitution.  Wow, what a fucking bastard I am, right?

Meanwhile, she thinks she's getting a better deal in the bar where the bar owner just hit her with a 20,000 baht "fee" in order to come back to work there.  O-Kaaaay.  I can tell her how stupid that is.  Her sister, Lily, can tell her how stupid that is.  But her shit-for-brains ladyboy girlfriends have got her convinced that everything in life is a "transaction" and that she'll do much better "selling it" to a 100 random strangers each month than "giving it away for 'free'" to me.

Whatever.

I could keep trying to convince her that she's making a huge mistake, but why bother?  In order for her to understand the common sense of what I'm saying, she'd have to GROW UP first, and that isn't something I can do for her.

So have fun with her boys, she's all yours again .

Not that I've been missing her much, because I've been a bit "pre-occupied" with something else.

See, like I said, my girlfriend is one smart girl.  She knows what I like and she's clever enough to find ways to give it to me herself.  

So what my sweet, proper girl did while she was in Japan was walk into one of those adult toy stores they have there and buy herself a nice fat strap-on dildo.
What a sweetheart, eh?

Every time I think about her going into that store, walking around and looking for just the right cock, I get so turned on.  Everyone who knows her, thinks she's a very prim girl without a hint of anything "improper" in her life.  And yet, there she was, in a Japanese porn shop, looking for a nice big cock to shove up her boyfriend's ass.  And then she had to pack that thing in her bags and bring it all the way back from Japan just for me.  Now that's my kind of girl .

   

So anyway, I really haven't been going out much lately.  And seriously, why would I bother.  Every night I come home from work to find my girlfriend already strapped for action   .  Sometimes she'll put on something sexy and lie on the bed oiling up her "cock" for me to sit on.  Other times, she'll be wearing normal clothes, but she'll sneak up behind me, and give me a hug so I can feel her "wood" pressing up against me.

At first, she was a bit clumsy with it and didn't really get a good rhythm going, but now she's got it down right and gives a really good HARD fuck.  The best thing about it is that she really, really gets off on it, and once she's fucked me, she absolutely turbo-charged for my turn .  I love it when a girl completely loses her mind and goes totally apeshit on my dick.  

We've also explored some "new uses" for her toy (other than fucking ME with it), but we'll have to save that for another post.

OK, so that's the update for the time being.  A lot of other stuff has been going on too, but again I'll just have to save it for later.  (Did I mention the restaurant I stumbled across in the burbs, where 80% of the staff are ladyboys and a good third of them are HOT?  No?  Sorry, I'm keeping that one to myself, hahaha!).

[doug]

Oh, one thing I forgot to mention to all the naysayers out there.

My plan (the whole point of this thread) worked.

Remember at the very begining of this whole saga, I pointed out that the importance of privacy wasn't just DURING the "relationship", but also after the almost inevitable "break up".

That's where most guys go wrong, and I'm not just talking about guys dating ladyboys from bars, but all guys who "date" a bargirl of any kind.

They lose control of the "contact" and there is usually hell to pay as a result. You see, these girls, they, umm.... WORK IN BARS. Please try to remember that at all times, guys.

Contact should be totally one-way. You control it. She doesn't. If you want to see her, you see her. If she wants to see you, she has to WAIT until you want to see her. Any other arrangement is pure stupidity. Period.

I've got my second-phone and if I don't feel like seeing anybody, I just turn it off and chuck it in a drawer until I'm in the mood to pull it out again (literally).

The girls I met have no other way to contact me except that phone. So like that crazy KC3 girl, they can leave all the fucked-up messages they want on my phone, I don't care, I just ignore it.

So, with Lolita, I can break things off with her completely and that's it. Period. It's literally impossible for her to change her mind and decide to show up at my house in the middle of the night. Nope, no screaming, raving jealous ladyboys are going to be waking up my neighbors!

She does not control the contact. I do.

Sure, there's the random possibility that I might run into her in Paragon or CentralWorld, but it's not very likely. Most ladyboy bargirls are f'ing lazy, and they can barely drag themselves out of bed before they have to be to work at 8pm.

Plus, they are creatures of habit and tend to do to the same places all the time. Avoid those places and you never see them. Simple. Besides, most normal Thai people wouldn't be caught dead around Nana or PatPong, so all I have to do is hang out in "normal" places and I might as well be on a different planet.

I'm not sure about the geography of Pattaya or Patong, so I'm not sure how useful this advice would be in those places, but surely it must be possible to maintain some degree of "separation".

My main point is that by maintaining privacy (in other words: controlling the "contact"), I have a lot more peace of mind and A LOT less drama. Lolita starts acting pissy and all I do is hang up the phone. Done. Zero drama.

I'm sure many of you know (from unfortunate personal experience), that it's a much different story if the bargirl you're "breaking up with" happens to know where you live. All sorts of truly NASTY shit can happen then.

[daveduke007]

I used to hate that word "Period"