Bareback! Well, do you?

[rxpharm]

(post-op lover @ Apr. 16 2007,07:59) I haven't a clue who he's talking about, and this is my first time in this thread.

There are three brands that I think blow all the others to hell: Durex Ultimate Feeling, Crown Skin Less Skin, and possibly Kimono.

The first is made in India, the 2nd in Thailand, and the 3rd is probably Japanese. Not bad pedigree: one has lots of people, another has lots of sex, and the third has high tech manufacturing, and all three have lots of horny guys.

I haven't tried the Kimono but it is very highly recommended. Other than these three, any other condom seems to be a waste of money, time, and an opportunity for better sex.

POL

Ok bad news for the guys living outside of the USA, Durex Ultimate feeling is currently only available in the USA.

Here is the Durex website for educational purposes:

Durex

I would hope they make it available worldwide soon, but one can only hope that the Crown Skin Less Skin or Kimono are available in Thailand until that happens.

For those lucky enough to be living in the USA you can buy some Durex Ultimate Feeling and bring them with you to LOS!

Thanks to POL for the test results!

[ShockToe]

(D33 @ Apr. 16 2007,01:31) Tuberculoses is spreading like wildfire in Thailand right now. I know THREE girls who picked it up within the past 4 months. One of them I am close with and went to the doc with her, doc told me it is becoming a huge problem there.

I always suit up. I have never been offered bareback by any pro, pro-am or amateur (LB or GG). All usually bring the subject up, or if not, I do. Amateurs universally mention and insist upon condom usage.

Yes, Tuberculosis is a HUGE problem here...



http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2007...l_30023929.php

HEALTH THREAT
Alarm over rising cost from new TB cases

About 90,000 cases a year, with 12,000 deaths; WHO rates Thai treatment poorly

Tuberculosis (TB) has become an alarming health threat to the country, with the number of new cases continuing to rise and the government's treatment programme unable to cope.

Dr Somchai Pinyopornpaitch, deputy director-general of the Department of Disease Control, said incidences of the disease had risen for several years regardless of how hard health officials had worked.

A higher number of new TB cases has been reported each year, while the results of the TB treatment programme remained well below the target and world standards, Somchai said.

New cases of TB now stand at about 50 per 100,000 people, or about 90,000 cases a year, and the rate of successful treatment is still far below the World Health Organisation's standard of 85 per cent.

Each year at least 12,000 people die of TB. As a result, Thailand is grouped in with the 22 "high-burden countries", Somchai said. He said it was highly worrying that Thailand was ranked alongside such impoverished countries as Mozambique, Zimbabwe, Uganda and Cambodia, which had much lower hygiene standards.

"This shows there must be some reason why we are being held back from beating this disease," Somchai said, adding that he believed the official figures were just "the tip of the iceberg".

HIV infection, a higher rate of population movement caused by economic growth and a growing intake of migrant workers are blamed for the spread of TB.

As treatment takes about six months to complete, many patients find they must move to other areas for work and lose touch with their medical caregivers, leaving their treatment unfinished, Somchai said.

TB expert Dr Daranee Viryakijja said 15 per cent of new TB cases involved HIV infections. It is well known that TB speeds up the onset of Aids and results in a higher mortality rate.

Active screening for new cases and expanding the treatment network to follow up on patients to ensure they finish their medical courses are key to fighting the disease.

Meanwhile, Thammasat University research indicates that global warming is contributing to an unseasonal rise in cholera outbreaks. A half a degree rise in temperature appeared to be causing cholera outbreaks throughout the year.

Arthit Khwankhom

The Nation


Tuberculosis in Thailand

90,607: Estimated incidence (all new cases) (2004)

142: Estimated Incidence (all new casesper 100,000 population) (2004)

63: Estimated Incidence (new sputum smear positive [ss+] per 100,000 population) (2004)

208 Estimated Prevalence (per 100,000 population, incl HIV-positive) (2004)

19: TB mortality (per 100,000, population, incl HIV-positive) (2004)

8.5:% of adult (15-49) TB cases HIV-positive (2004)

0.9:% of new cases multi-drug resistant (2004)

100: DOTS population coverage (%) (2004)

71: DOTS detection rate (new ss+, %) (2004)

73: DOTS treatment success (new ss+, %) (2003)





GlobalHealthReporting.org
Tuberculosis | Growing Number of TB Cases Continuing Challenge for Thai Government
[Jan 12, 2007]

The increasing number of tuberculosis cases detected annually in Thailand is an ongoing challenge for the government, the Nation reports. According to Somchai Pinyopornpaitch, deputy director-general of the Department of Disease Control, TB cases have increased for several years despite health officials' efforts. TB incidence in Thailand is currently 50 per 100,000 people, with 90,000 new cases annually, and the treatment success rate is well below the World Health Organization's recommendation of 85%, according to the Nation. Thailand is one of the 22 countries with the world's highest TB burden, with 12,000 TB deaths reported annually, Somchai said. He expressed concern that Thailand was ranked alongside developing countries such as Cambodia, Mozambique, Uganda and Zimbabwe that have lower hygiene standards. The HIV/AIDS epidemic, increased rates of migration because of economic growth and an influx of migrant workers are factors fueling the spread of TB, according to the Nation. Daranee Viryakijja, a TB expert, said 15% of new TB cases occurred among HIV-positive people. Somchai also said many people with TB do not complete treatment because they move to other regions to find work. Combating TB requires active screening for new cases and widening the treatment network to monitor patients to ensure that they complete treatment, the Nation reports (Arthit, Nation, 1/12)

[Guest]

[quote]
(ShockToe @ Apr. 18 2007,14:27)

"This shows there must be some reason why we are being held back from beating this disease,"

Russians.

[donnnnnny]

best stay home and keep a mask on as there are so many things out there that can get ya. sars bird flu hiv tb abc def ghi as well, and if they dont get ya someone will stab ya after dark or a suiside bomber will get ya in soi 3
me no im going to live and enjoy life as best i can afford.
cheers donnnnnny

[moe666]

Post-Op Kimono is the best, started using them about 8 years ago and they have great feel and never broken one yet.
If you decide to go bareback, two tricks we learned when I was in the US Navy. After you finish take a piss and wash your dick off with hot water and soap. Ten years in the Navy and only caught something one time from a cute girl in Taipai while on RandR in 1970.
While in Thailand I always wear a rubber even after 5 years with the same woman. I will wear protection in the states until I get to know who I am boning, because I don't know who else has been up the old-shit-shut or in her pussy. I do not need weird shit growing on my dick or a constant drip and burning sensation that will not go away let along excellerated aging caused by aids.

[mr bartman]

Ive been with alot of Thai ladyboys over the years and only once did bareback(Feb 2007 in Pattaya) and when I say bareback I mean I fucked her and she fucked me. I know I should not of done it but I did, and to tell ya the truth it was the best sex I have ever had.

[hardpaolo]

I have after several bottles of Regency gone bareback on 2 occasions, once I caught a minor STD but nothing to worry about.

I would say if you want to bareback go for it but for the sake of your conquests take a blood test every so often just so you are not passing anything on to others. I would imagine most of us would be extremely upset to find out we have passed a death sentance onto another.

[donnykey]

(stogie bear @ Apr. 16 2007,15:15)  Exactly! If you are taking care to protect yourself then good for you. You'll live a long and happy life. I dunno how all the naughty girls and boys are making things worse for you, though.

I've never knowingly met anyone with AIDs, nor have I known anyone with it and I haven't heard of anyone I know who has or had it...

On the other hand I DO know people who have died in car wrecks and have had heart attacks and died...

My risk of dying from AIDS is about the same as getting killed in a car crash or having a coronary... Almost NIL!

stogie an school mate of mine died of aids ...i went and visited him in hospital and can assure you it was not a pretty sight....of the many ladyboys have been with i must admit a couple i have been bb with (no cum inside)
and deep down was a little worried ........by the way you guys who bb all the time do you get regular tests or rather not know...no disrespect just inquisitive

[D33]

(jadeite @ Apr. 16 2007,19:21) In Thailand 1 million are infected, 400,000 dead due to AIDS. It is the most contagious in the very earliest stages of infection in people showing no symptoms. If you need to see it to believe it, visit one of the AIDS hospices around the country. They stack dead ladyboys like cordwood.

A very sobering post, but true.

Its very easy to not see the sick while we have fun and fuck around. HIV+ sex workers continue to work until they become ill and then they go home or to a wat to die a horrible death.

Makes you wonder where all your favorite ladyboys went when they just disappeared from the scene.

In my profession, I will tell you that I know for sure there are some LBs with HIV. Same with girls. I have been AT THE HOSPITAL, IN THE ROOM with 12 of them when they found out they were HIV+ (per our tests for shooting). I wish I was joking, but I'm not. After the first 4 or 5 I sort of went numb to it. But I can tell you that every single one of them who tested +, I still see out working.

It's there, it's a risk, but be thankful that it is not so easy to get if you are only a top. Bareback bottoms.... your luck will run out.

Don't waste your time PMing me to tell you who I know is sick, I'm not going to answer. You are grown men, take your own risks.

[Guest]

(D33 @ Apr. 22 2007,08:17) Don't waste your time PMing me to tell you who I know is sick, I'm not going to answer.

If you and me would be friends and at JSB having a beer together, im ready to BF a lb that you know have it, would you tell me?

[D33]

(rick @ Apr. 22 2007,09:00)

(D33 @ Apr. 22 2007,08:17) Don't waste your time PMing me to tell you who I know is sick, I'm not going to answer.

If you and me would be friends and at JSB having a beer together, im ready to BF a lb that you know have it, would you tell me?

A true story...

A friend of mine shoots photos only for one of the high end Thai sites. I was there shooting some behind the scenes video for him. One of the models that day, we had to ask to leave because when it came time to open her legs, she had a very bad wart problem. She was cool and understood, he paid her a little something and that was the end of that. Almost.

My other friend who just happened to be there that day helping out with things and knew about her warts, saw a guy in the lobby of his hotel playing pool with THE GIRL a few days later. Now, he didn't really know this guy, but has said a few words to him in passing or in the lobby having a drink.

My buddy goes up to him and tells him in private that the girl has warts, and to be careful. My buddy left. Apparently the guy walked off and left the girl shortly after.

That night I get a phone call from my friend the photographer, it was around 4am. He wanted to know what the hell my friend said to the girl and that I needed to deal with it. Apparently she called him in a drunken rage blaming my friend for losing her trick. She was going to get the police and come to my friends studio, and have us all arrested. I got up, and took off to meet her.

She was drunk and right outside of VC Hotel at 4:30am this girl is screaming about us taking photos and making porno. She then starts yelling for a cop to come over and starts pointing me out to him. I don't remember what I said to calm her down but she backed off the cop and then started rounding up some Thai guys to KILL MY FRIEND!!!

I ended up talking her down and I think I gave her around 5k baht to shut the fuck up and go home. That was more than she would have made with her trick.

My loose mouth friend was sleeping with his whore during all this and I could not wake him so he could enjoy the mornings festivities.

After that incident, I told all of my guys to keep their mouths shut about ANYTHING because next time I will help round up the guys to kill them. Loose lips sink ships and nobody on my crew was sinking my ship.

So now, after X amount of HIV+ test results when I still see these girls out working, walking hand in hand with customers, I smile at them and nod, they do the same. We both know that I know, and that I'm not going to fuck up their bread and butter. As much as I want to be a hero, it is not my job and in such a country it could very well cost me dearly.

To answer your question...

Would I tell you if we were having drinks and you were about to take a HIV+ lady home? Unless you are one of my close friends or crew, no I would not.

However, I would try like a mother fucker to discreetly cock block you or turn you onto another girl WITHOUT causing problems with the girl in question. I may even jump in and bar fine her first just so you don't. But I certainly will not tell you she is sick, just the same as I will not take money from her pocket or ruin her business. I feel we are all adults and we all are capable of making our own decisions. It is my decision to not spread info about the ones who are sick with HIV or with STDs. The same as it is your (all of ours) decision to play safely or recklessly.

And if I did tell you, would any of you believe me? If we were sitting there and I told you that X girl had HIV, what would you do? Chances are you may not believe me, and chances are you would run to the boards telling everyone X has HIV. Then her knowing that I was the only falang sitting in the hospital room that day with her, the only falang who probably knows she has HIV... then I have a serious problem on my hands, and I just don't know you well enough to risk having that potential problem that could have several bad endings for me.

The proper question is not that if I will save you, rather will you save yourself?

Knowing that they are out there. Some of them with HIV and other STDs. Why do you still want to have unprotected sex with them? That is the question to be asking.

The moral of this story is... if we ARE ever sitting around having drinks and you feel I am cock blocking you or moving in on your girl, you had better let me because I'm not the cock blocking type. If I'm doing this, it is probably my way of saving your life.

[buttafly]

remind me next time I go ladyboy-hunting in Pattaya [which is quite rare anyway] to always bring you along, D..... I think I know you well enough and you know me to where we can discuss just about anything at all by now.

  crazy times we live in right now......but at least the last 2 girls I screwed recently asked me to put on a boot!!

maybe they are getting smarter these days....hopefully

[Torurot]

But two out of how many?

[buttafly]

been in BKK a week now, been with 5 girls and 2 asked me to wear one, 2 didn't care and one was BJ only so no boot

the 4 times I screwed I wore one, threads like this scare me ... it's tempting when they don't say anything but the big head wins out 99% of the time

[Guest]

D33,
Thanks for your answer. I see your concern and worry about your own safety, but "Loose lips sink ships and nobody on my crew was sinking my ship." is about money and i hope you rather save a guy , friend or not, before worrying about your business. You said you would by interfear, so, thanks.
Your take on this makes sense, but i can´t help but thinking like so many times before, money is the root to many evil things.