How much do you pay for short time?

[donnnnnny]

why was i deleated?

[Guest]

(donnnnnny @ Feb. 16 2007,12:03) why was i deleated?

If you are refering to this post then you were not deleted at all.

[jhcal26]

usually 1000 and on occasion I tip 500. once i was standing next to the hamburger stand at NEP and 2 girls from Obsessions approach me and ask me to BF both of them. i'm wishy washy and they end up offering to go with me for 500 each. had a good time, tho they didn't participate together.

[surropan]

Everybody brags about how little they pay, but there's gotta be someone else out there that pays 1500 like me. Perhaps I pay that b/c I'm too drunk to haggle, but I tell myself that that's what I think is a fair price for the service. I only pay GGs a thousand though, they lack the special bonus equipment. Maybe I've just been getting ripped off all these years. In reality, most of my expenditures come from my very prominent and growing drinking problem. I usually spend 3000+ on drinks for a night out, not including lady drinks. Some recommend that I pre-drink, but that only fuels my needs even more.

To those 5 poll respondants who say "they go with me for free," I will pay you handsomely for your tutelage.

[donnnnnny]

(buttafly @ Feb. 11 2007,20:51) funny as hell, this thread is.....and the biggest bomb-thrower is some guy who pays the girls small cash but will happily have some world-famous male prostitute followed around to see if she's cheating on him  LOLOL

I love reading here, makes my day      


but a week every few months is  good enough, I learn what the people who are being played on a daily basis are thinking about,  I have a few good laughs about it with Thai people and falangs who really understand Thailand and then get back to my normal life and forget all this nonsense.  

  pretty funny reading for the most part though, thanks guys! And remember,  none of these people  do any drugs and none of them want a better wage for their time, just keep on going with what you believe and all will be right with the world  

This post clearly refers to earlier post i have made, with reguards to private investigators, and the cost of having one to check out mint, not to see if she is cheating on me but to find out more about her, if married usual stuff.(Stogie put me onto a firm in bangkok)
I dont send this girl any money , and i have no issues with her working, MInt and i have a great time togeather and yes she phones me everyday and i call her..I will be in bangkok for her birthday,in march.and i will stay with her in her apartment.Not because im a fucking cheap skate but because she would like me to stay with her.
enough of that .
My previous post with reguards to private investigators, has clearly been used here to call mint a world class male prostitute,then goes on to say "to see if (she) is cheating on him"lollollol.Now refering to the world class male prostitute as "she"
To call ladyboys male is usually an offence on this forum, but not in this case.
Having said this i have now decided to quit the forum for a while and just be a lurker, like the thousands of others who lurk.
cheeers donnnnny

[EyeMahk]

(ozzie @ Feb. 14 2007,17:38) Sorry don't entirely agree. Just because someone will see you again and you have not had anything stolen does not necessarily make it an appropriate fee for services rendered. Maybe it is rent day or some other equally good reason so she is willing to except under what she might otherwise be happy with.

I do not ask them a price or let them wonder how much I am giving them. I always tell them what the deal is. So let me ask you this, if I say to the girl:

"I would like to go ST with you now, I will pay your barfine now. When we are finished, I will give you 1000 baht, is it OK for you?"

And then the girl says yes, kisses me and takes my barfine money. Then we go short-time, have a great time, and she says "I want to see you again sometime."

How is this not "an appropriate fee for services rendered?"

By the way, I have done this many times and have had a counter-offer of a higher rate (1500) 1-2 times. (I went with one of the 1500 girls too!) And these are not ugly LBs.

[Guest]

(EyeMahk @ Feb. 17 2007,15:34) I do not ask them a price or let them wonder how much I am giving them.  I always tell them what the deal is.  So let me ask you this, if I say to the girl:

"I would like to go ST with you now, I will pay your barfine now. When we are finished, I will give you 1000 baht, is it OK for you?"

And then the girl says yes, kisses me and takes my barfine money. Then we go short-time, have a great time, and she says "I want to see you again sometime."

How is this not "an appropriate fee for services rendered?"

By the way, I have done this many times and have had a counter-offer of a higher rate (1500) 1-2 times.  (I went with one of the 1500 girls too!) And these are not ugly LBs.

I am growing tired of repeating myself so just pay what you want. I really could not care what you or anyone else pays as long as I am comfortable with what I pay!

You travel half way around the world probably stay in a resonable hotel, eat good food and consume your fair share of alcohol only to skimp on the thing you a specifically coming for. If that makes you happy then go for it

[EyeMahk]

(ozzie @ Feb. 17 2007,14:44) You travel half way around the world probably stay in a resonable hotel, eat good food and consume your fair share of alcohol only to skimp on the thing you a specifically coming for.

I guess I am just struggling with how it is "skimping" by telling a girl or LB how much I will give them in advance and they agree without hesitation and they happily run off to get changed and then later want to see me again?

But we'll agree to disagree.

And I am not sure where you get the idea that I fly halfway around the world for this? We've not met, have we? Happy to buy you a beer if I see you though.

[thaibound]

(ozzie @ Feb. 14 2007,03:38)

Now for those that say paying €œx€ is ridiculously small and wrong, do you feel the same way about other things? For instance, if a meal is 20 baht do you pay 60? If a taxi ride is 50 baht you pay 200? In other words, do you have an inherent need to make Thai prices closer to your home country or else feel you are somehow disrespecting them?

Apples and Oranges mate. The meal is a set price and you get a bill for it. The taxi is metered and once again you know what to pay. The girls prices are negotiable so how do know exactly what they would be happy with?

hey oz ,

just for the sake of argument, let me try to make it apples and apples.

i'm shopping at one of the many street vendors on sukhomvit, buying some silk shorts to take home as 'novelty gifts' to my friends. these very same silk shorts can be found at as many stalls on sukhomvit as there are bars at nana to find ladyboys.

i ask 'how much' the first time and am told 250 baht. i smile, but shake my head and walk away saying i will look around first. the vendor chases after me a step or two, immediately offering a price of 200 and even a price of 175. i keep walking.

the next vendor i ask 'how much?' and after a pause the vendor says "these are normally 250 baht, but for you, 175 baht". i ask if the price would go down further if i bought more than one pair. 'how many you buy?'. 'how about 5 pair', i ask. he takes out a calculator and goes 175x5 then subtracts another figure and says 800 baht for 5. i reply that that is still too much. he mutters something about my illegitimate heritage as i continue to thumb through his stock. 'how much you pay?' he asks and hands me the calculator. i say 'let me see how many pair i can find i like'. while i browse, no other customers appear to distract him with any other offer. supply is clearly greater than demand. i find 5 pair, i take out 600 baht and i hold the money out and i ask "okay?" he again reflects upon my mother's mating habits, as he shoves the shorts into a bag and takes the money.

now tell me, did i do something wrong? if this had been a negotiation with a bargirl who was receiving no other offers and decided even a small bird in hand was worth two big ones in the bush, would i be wrong to close as good a deal as possible? if the first girl did not like my price, am i wrong to make the same offer to a second girl, or should i 'see the light' and up my offering immediately because the first girl seemed unhappy, even insulted, at such a lowball figure?

maybe i'm missing something, but who is it i am supposed to be making happy financially here? the bar girl or myself? i worked hard for my money and see nothing wrong in maximizing its purchasing power. am i a victim of american capitalization run amock? if i want to 'be nice' i can tip, i can buy drinks, i can buy gifts, i can offer to extend the date, or plan a return date. i can treat the girl with respect and show an interest in her comfort and her pleasure. there are many ways to increase happiness aside from a slack negotiation which allows her to pocket a few hundred extra baht before i even know whether i'm going to have a good time with her.

for short-times i have paid as little as 500 baht with no barfine and as much as 3000 baht. i couldn't say for sure which girl was happier with me, but i know for sure which one i didn't tip. believe me, i understand that 'money is number one' but it is not the *only* one.

each transaction (between customer and ladyboy) is literally unique to itself with so many interdependent factors (which city, time of day or night, season of year, popularity of girl - third barfine of the night or first of the week, appearance of client - friendly fellow or drunken pig, horniness of girl, how much the girl does (or does not) want to get out of the bar and take a shower and watch tv lying in a big comfy bed, whether the girl has too many roommates at home that night or needs to hurry and finish to see her boyfriend, whether she needs exactly 800 baht in the next 90 minutes to buy something she needs immediately...or is in no hurry to work again at all, ...etc etc) that to call any pre-set amount either 'too much' or 'too little' seems to me prejudicially in error.

i think the range of 'acceptable' payment is greater than many believe and should not be held strictly subject to any general standard. it is the behavior, not the amount of payment, which matters in the end. but that's just me. ymmv.

[Torurot]

Great summary Thaibound. Does the worker at the Pattaya Mazda/Ford plant get the same salary as the Mazda/Ford plant in Melbourne? Does the same Lady working in Orchard Tower Singapore expect the same payment when working in Thailand? What some appear to be trying to argue is that they should... It should be apparent to most is that if you pay a certain amount and the Lady seeks you out day after day, then the amount was pretty much in the right ball park. Clearly there is an acceptable range, not a single fixed amount. That magic figure/amount will not suit every punter, or every Lady. That's why the two parties negotiate.

[Guest]

(Torurot @ Feb. 17 2007,20:40) What some appear to be trying to argue is that they should...  

If you are referring to me then you are way off. I have never said that the ladyboys in Thailand should get the same amount as one working in Orchard Tower or anywhere else for that matter.

I am trying to put things into perspective. Yes there is a range of price that a girl might be happy with and I prefer to pay at the higher end of that range. I am not under any delusions either and realise money is number one.

Sorry Thaibound but I think selling a product or selling a service such as that provided by a ladyboy is a little different. However your example was a little closer to apples and apples than others I have seen here.

As I keep saying pay what you want. I for one do not understand why you would bother travelling to Thailand to procure the services of a the ladyboys if you cannot afford it and have to be so frugal with your money. I am not saying pay ridiculous amounts either so don't bother with that argument.

Also EyeMahk I was not referring to you specifically but rather what many punters do.

[jadeite]

ozzie, it will be interesting to see how much you are paying 6 months after you move to Thailand (good luck on your move m8). As a tourist I thought 2000 was a decent deal and was an insignificant amount of money. I live in Thailand now and entertainment expenses are not only my biggest expense, but account for more than everything else put together! If something you do regularly causes many 1000 baht bills to fly out of your wallet, you will start to notice and might find yourself optimizing it a bit. I would think as expats learn the ropes, most will naturally pay less for various things as time goes on compared to when they were a tourist. In my case, while I can afford to pay more, I've worked hard for my money and try to spend it prudently and one thing I like about Thailand is finding good deals. If Thailand were to become expensive, I think the €œcharm€ of the place would be gone for 95% of the foreigners who like it.

[jhcal26]

Just came back from a quick TJ run to the one (and only?) TS bar.

Here's the breakdown for comparison:
Short time: $60-80 for an hour (depending on the girl)
Long time: really depends on the girl, but been offered as low as $150-$200 for "toda la noche"
Barfine: $15-20
Short time room for an hour: $15 (on par with NEP rooms) or free if the girl lives close by, but offset by $5 taxi fare to and from (you don't want to be walking with a TS for any length of time in TJ at night)
Overnight hotels: $30-$100 depending on the motel/hotel on Revo

Lesson to be learned: You guys have it made in LOS.

[thaibound]

(jhcal26 @ Feb. 17 2007,13:59) Lesson to be learned: You guys have it made in LOS.  

*that* my friend was *never* in doubt!! *the* greatest place in the world, bar none, for those such as i...if bangkok didn't exist, people would be going nuts praising phuket or pattaya! an embarassment of riches indeed!

like many things, if some think you pay too much and some think you pay too little -- you're probably in the right ballpark.

for me, it's taking care neither to cheaply disrespect, nor flashily overpay the girl/ladyboy which is paramount. money may indeed be number one to her, but for me it is only a means of exchange. be always fair, occasionally generous and on rare occasions, carefully thrifty so as not to encourage bad manners or broken promises. imho, your range of payment should be as great as the range of quality of service provided.

that's the best i can do with these apples.
of course, ymmv.

[Stewart]

quick TJ run

OK, I give up...TJ?