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  • Would you HIV Test before Barfining?

    OK ... I'm fascinated by the potential outcome of this poll (and flame away if you must).


    Here is a test done in Thailand in 2004 with Ora-quick... the current over the counter kits are now much better than the kits in 2004 (and cheaper)

    Rapid HIV test can provide accurate results for women in labor

    Last Updated: 2004-07-12 9:21:50 -0400 (Reuters Health)

    By Deborah Mitchell

    BANGKOK (Reuters Health) - HIV testing using a rapid HIV-1 antibody test provides timely results for women in labor, allowing the opportunity to initiate treatment to prevent vertical transmission, according to new study findings.

    Dr. Mardge H. Cohen, of the Cook County Hospital, Chicago, presented her team's findings on Sunday here at the International AIDS Conference. The results are also published in the July 14th issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association.

    The Ora-Quick Rapid HIV-1 Antibody Test (OraSure Technologies Inc.) took a median of 66 minutes between blood draw and test results, compared with various standard ELISA tests that took a median of 28 hours for results, Dr. Cohen reported.

    Day of the week appeared to be a factor associated with significant delays in obtaining test results. Specifically, the researchers found that blood samples drawn on weekends took longer to be processed than those drawn on weekdays, 39 vs. 25 hours, respectively.

    The positive predictive value for the Rapid Ora Quick test was 90% compared with 76% for the standard ELISA, she added.

    In spite of U.S. recommendations for universal prenatal HIV screening and the widespread use of antiretroviral drugs among infected women who are pregnant, up to 370 infants are born infected with HIV annually in the U.S., according to estimates by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), the researchers note in their report.

    Although there has been "phenomenal progress" in preventing perinatally acquired HIV infections, there are also "missed opportunities" for prevention, Dr. Cohen pointed out to conference participants. This includes women who receive inadequate or no prenatal care, and those who are not offered early voluntary HIV testing.

    The investigators, led by Dr. Marc Bulterys at the CDC, analyzed the results from the Mother-Infant Rapid Intervention At Delivery (MIRIAD) study, which implemented 24-hour counseling and voluntary rapid HIV testing for women in labor at 16 U.S. hospitals in high HIV seroprevalence areas.

    A total of 4,849 eligible women participated in the study, which was conducted between November 16, 2001 and November 15, 2003.

    Factors that were independently associated with test acceptance included younger age, being African American or Hispanic, having a gestational age of less than 32 weeks, and having had no prenatal care, Dr. Cohen reported.

    A total of 34 women tested HIV-1 positive using the rapid test and the standard tests, which was confirmed by Western blot, for a prevalence of 7 per 1,000. All of the infants exposed to HIV were given antiretroviral prophylaxis after birth. Three of these infants became infected with HIV.

    Rapid HIV testing can give women in labor the "critical opportunity" to learn their HIV status and to provide them with antiretroviral therapy and their infants with prophylactic treatment, Dr. Cohen concluded.

    These findings are "very exciting because until we reach the point where we can test all the mothers...women will continue to deliver babies who are HIV-positive," noted Dr. Catherine D. DeAngelis, Editor-in-Chief of JAMA. The next step, she added, is to work with the companies to bring down the price of the test so it can be more widely implemented.

    The MIRIAD study was funded by the National Center for HIV, STD, and TB Prevention. The assay kits for the study were supplied by the manufacturer. None of the investigators received funding from Orasure Technologies or from any other source.
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    HIV test only if she wants to
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    HIV test only if she is a superstar
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    HIV test the older LBs
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    I'd be embarrassed to test a girl in the bar
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    They'd never allow me to do this
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    The Mamasan would probably beat me silly before I could ever try this
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  • #2
    Why stop with HIV, do you test for Hep A and B as well? The best idea is to minimize the risks by having protected sex.
    I don't get it, is this a magic show?

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    • #3
      Yes... Although AIDS is something I'd least likely want to contract, it's not something that I am worried about as much as I am other STDs.

      Going with an HIV positive person won't give me AIDS!

      Going with a herpes infected person may well give me herpes!

      Anyway - I voted that it wouldn't be allowed in a club anyway!

      And what happens if she is HIV negative? Does that make it OK to ride bareback?

      Hmmm... Flawed thinking in this poll.

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      • #4
        true you could get herpes easier, but will they kill you?
        if you get aids you are dead. end of story.

        if i found out i got aids i'd probably do myself in. id hate to know when im going to die. especially at the age of 22.
        for this reason i try to just look more than act when it comes to random girls.

        anyway, it would be great if you could check them all but i bet a lot of them wouldnt do it. it just seems kinda a weird thing to do.

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        • #5
          Hep A you're likely going to get from eating at the food stands out in front of Nana; Hep B from the girls ... but why haven't you gotten your vaccination yet? Anyone who visits NEP should be smart enough to get a vaccination every 5 years.

          Herpes is a problem... but then not much of one. I suspect that around 100% of the NEP clients have oral, and 25% have genital herpes ... it's pretty widespread, and in some populations is 100%. With most people, it's in remission; in all people, it is not life threatening. I think we are on our own on this one. Just be sure to take a look at the merchandise before you indulge.

          HIV tests are where I would put my money

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          • #6
            (stogie bear @ Sep. 09 2006,12:03) And what happens if she is HIV negative? Does that make it OK to ride bareback?
            Hell yes.  I'd go bareback if I knew my LB was HIV- How about you Stogie?

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            • #7
              What I meant was where do you draw the line, even with the test you can't be 100% sure. I don't think you would get a great reaction from the girl if you want to subject her to a test before you will touch her.
              Stay at home if your that worried then there's no risk.
              I don't get it, is this a magic show?

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              • #8
                (andre459 @ Sep. 09 2006,14:21) I don't think you would get a great reaction from the girl if you want to subject her to a test before you will touch her. Stay at home if your that worried then there's no risk.
                I agree ... I would expect quite a negative reaction in many cases. But let's see what others have to say

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                • #9
                  How accurate are the tests?
                  I'm a rough-ridin', hootin' and hollerin', ladyboy lovin' cowboy! Bang bang yer dead!!!

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                  • #10
                    Oh my god, what a flawed poll. I get nervous waiting for the test results everytime I have had a HIV test, always assuming the worst case scenario - how the f*&k are you going to handle this hyperthetical situation if the test shows positive while you are sat in the bar with your new squeeze - of course all her friends would be looking on and odds are she will go and grab a bottle, smash it and cut her main arteries. Totally totally stupid poll in my opinion, just use a condom.

                    Incidentally HIV is not a death sentence anymore to people with access to retroviral medicines (ie the insured and western Europeans who have state health care systems that pay for medicines). Even so, I still get nervous - how would a Thai react who probably has seen family members dying slowly and painfully without access to medicine as the condition slowly but surely destroys their immune system.

                    Cheers
                    Mardhi

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                    • #11
                      (rommel @ Sep. 09 2006,13:44) true you could get herpes easier, but will they kill you?
                      if you get aids you are dead. end of story.

                      if i found out i got aids i'd probably do myself in. id hate to know when im going to die. especially at the age of 22.
                      for this reason i try to just look more than act when it comes to random girls.

                      anyway, it would be great if you could check them all but i bet a lot of them wouldnt do it. it just seems kinda a weird thing to do.
                      Absolute rubbish - HIV is now considered to be a chronic manageable illness like diabetes *if* you have access to proper medical care, exactly like diabetes. Stop the medicine and sure you will die, but these days with retroviral treatments, doctors are anticipating (due to ARV treatments only being around for about 10 years) a normal life span and that a HIV positive patient will die of something not related to their HIV condition. Without medical treatment taken the rest of your life, sure you will die of an AIDS related illness.

                      Still, having said that, from what I can tell, taking strong possibly toxic medicines for the remainder of your life is not exactly a walk in the park. Moral of the story use common sense and a condom.

                      Cheers
                      Mardhi

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                      • #12
                        (dummy_plug @ Sep. 09 2006,16:10) How accurate are the tests?
                        Accuracy (FDA trials) is .4% false negative (you have HIV but the test says you don't) and .000% false positives. The technology is mature (and used for lots of other tests)

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                        • #13
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                          (mardhi @ Sep. 09 2006,16:27)
                          Originally posted by rommel,Sep. 09 2006,13:44
                          HIV is now considered to be a chronic manageable illness like diabetes *if* you have access to proper medical care, exactly like diabetes.    

                          Still, having said that, from what I can tell, taking strong possibly toxic medicines for the remainder of your life is not exactly a walk in the park.  Moral of the story use common sense and a condom.
                          All things considered, I'd rather not get AIDS.

                          The point on the reaction of the girl in the bar is a good point. I certainly wouldn't want to be responsible for a suicide (especially not in front of me) ... so maybe just ask for the blood in advance (just a little prick ) and leave the bar with someone else if it is negative. Maybe it would be better to test five LBs at once, and only leave with one.

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                          • #14
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                            (Agent69 @ Sep. 09 2006,22:01)
                            (mardhi @ Sep. 09 2006,16:27)
                            Originally posted by rommel,Sep. 09 2006,13:44
                            HIV is now considered to be a chronic manageable illness like diabetes *if* you have access to proper medical care, exactly like diabetes.    

                            Still, having said that, from what I can tell, taking strong possibly toxic medicines for the remainder of your life is not exactly a walk in the park.  Moral of the story use common sense and a condom.
                            All things considered, I'd rather not get AIDS.  

                            The point on the reaction of the girl in the bar is a good point.  I certainly wouldn't want to be responsible for a suicide (especially not in front of me) ... so maybe just ask for the blood in advance (just a little prick   ) and leave the bar with someone else if it is negative.  Maybe it would be better to test five LBs at once, and only leave with one.
                            Well that goes without saying I would have thought.

                            So what happens in your multiple choice equation when you get the test papers mixed up and take the one who IS HIV positive? Also dont forget these tests still work on antibody principals unless I am mistaken - an exposure 3 weeks previously and a viral load in the millions means risk of contracting HIV is at its highest immediately after infection (ie within couple months) or at the stage where the infected person is just about to die. I still dont like either of those odds, which is why I will stick to condoms.

                            Cheers
                            Mardhi

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                            • #15
                              (mardhi @ Sep. 09 2006,17:27) HIV is now considered to be a chronic manageable illness like diabetes *if* you have access to proper medical care, exactly like diabetes.    Stop the medicine and sure you will die, but these days with retroviral treatments, doctors are anticipating (due to ARV treatments only being around for about 10 years) a normal life span and that a HIV positive patient will die of something not related to their HIV condition.      Without medical treatment taken the rest of your life, sure you will die of an AIDS related illness.
                              I've heard that even top of the line Thai health insurance suchas BUPA Platinum does not cover STDs.
                              On the other hand it's quite expensive to keep your Western health insurance if you're livingin Thailnd.

                              Is there Thai health insurance that covers STDs?

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