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  • #16
    yes, your stance on this is a bit surprising Oz because I know 'your type'  and I appreciate  you standing up for fem boys and other new ladyboys because I know you like girls who already look like real females, not the Sunee plaza type.  It seems that almost everyone here agrees that if a ladyboy is a ladyboy inside that is what matters, not her appearance outside.  Remember this can also apply to crossdressers in the west who live like men 90% of the time but may don women's clothes in the closet; are they not ladyboys also?

        I am one of those nurture over nature people, and the camp on that is about the same split as the abortion people. about half are pro choice and half are pro life and you can never change either sides mind.  I believe the arguement about  "was she [or he] born gay [or a ladyboy] or turned gay by societal pressures" is also about 50/50.  Myself I think no one is born  a ladyboy, and no one is born gay. in the first few years of life their upbringing decides what their sexual orientation will be, or perhaps a domineering mother, weak or absent father, or other things in their home life make something inside them want to change the gender that they were born with. Of course this is just my personal opinion and from what I have seen and read about half of people with an opinion on this issue feel the same way.

     a good friend of mine and a model on this website told me once that she was born a male, but her mother decided at age 2 or 3 that she wanted a daughter instead and started making her wear dresses and the like.  Not only is this cruel and abusive in my opinion, it is also something that can get you thrown in jail and have your child taken away from you in the west.  This person was born male; if it wasn't for her Mom putting her in dresses at age 3 she would have grown up [most likely] as a typical young boy and would now be a typical 23-year old male, not a transexual.  of course this is a rare case, but I believe ladyboys and gay boys are made, not born.

    let the arguements begin!

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    • #17
      Originally posted by
      let the arguements begin!
      Looks like this is definitely something we disagree about JD as I am a form believer in the nature argument. This sounds like a good reason for a poll what do you think?

      I know this is off topic but what about things like alcoholism. Can someone be an alcoholic even if they have never touched a drop, or what about if they give up drinking are they still alcoholics?

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      • #18
        I am not too sure about that, but as I say, 2 of the most widely-contested arguements in the USA for years [besides this new fucked-up war over a place that looks like the moon] has been the nature VS nurture deal and also the pro-choice/pro-life crowd. for the record I am also pro-choice, and if you mention that in public half the women want to kill you and half want to kiss you.

        debates are what make free speech fun!

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