Beware Underage Ladyboys...

[Chinaman]

(Chinaman @ Feb. 17 2010,09:15) I think that this only puts the bar at risk and not the customer.

This only referred to the law requiring girls to be 20 when working for a bar.
As the age of consent is 18, customers should be safe if the girl is 18 although she could not legally work for a bar.
But of course, comes the moment, the TIT-rule (This is Thailand) applies and anything is possible.

I certainly did not want to imply that a customer would be safe bf-ing a girl younger than 18 and be off the hook because she worked in a bar.

I mainly started this thread, and put it in the non-VIP section to warn newcomers and also non-newcomers again - this is a tricky issue and as said, it almost happened to me last night with no intention to be with an underage girl whatsoever.

[Chinaman]

and 100K Baht is a scary thought, so is going to jail, and even if it is just for one night to straighten things out
simply not worth it!

[pacman]

I was adding my thoughts for exactly the same reason & never meant to imply that I didn't agree with everything you wrote.

It is important that first time visitors to Thailand are aware just how "elastic" the law can be & how vulnerable we are to being scammed.

Farangs have nothing to fear as long as they don't start demanding western standards of justice at 3am standing in the Pattaya police station.

Never forget we are not Thai & they don't care what happens to us, just as long as we pay.

FOOTNOTE: 100K may be the opening offer, I believe this can usually be negotiated down. Just be careful how you approach the matter, leave all thoughts of so-called western superiority behind. It is no time for attitude.

[Instant Kama]

This is heading in the same direction as the 'Stabbing in Cascades' bit, we CHOOSE to mix with these people, so when it hit's the fan be prepared to take a bit in the face and get on with it, or get out. I dont believe a word ANYONE working in a bar tells me, and thats just the punters, ha ha.

Have a nice day...

[Bumpa STIKKA]

When in Thailand you weigh up the risk NOT search for the truth.

[cancer12]

happens a lot here in PI, set up, with the police!!!

[manarak]

In the first bar I visited in Patts, one of the girls is 17.
Another girl told me.

[Tomcat]

I think Hotel check is still the best resource. The Amari in Pattaya dont let many get through there finely meshed net but on the other hand some Hotels that are very friendly wave me through...mmmm.

A few years back i had to go around 10 KM outside of Bkk to get the LBs ID card as she left it at home. When we got to the Hotel she pulled out what looked like a TV Licence or some kind of Utility Bill?
I stood there perplexed and had to hand the Hotel guy 100 baht to process this document... LOL. What the fucxk was that about i thought

To be honest until then i thought that the bars were compliant. I mean i am pretty sure the LB noted above was in fact of legal age as she had shown the ID card before but it makes you wonder and think harder the next time

Lifes a bitch eh!..... thank God for the forum, i bet its saved a few greenhorns from Prison cuisine.

[rossco]

Beware of underage is similar to saying 'Take care crossing the road'!

There are number of underage workers - not a problem until you get caught! A number of them borrow a friend's ID and get away with it. It really is difficult to be 100% certain.

The safest option is not to become too seduced by the younger looking ones.

I was in a bar, with a friend, and he asked a LB how old she was - just 19. So when she was working before, elsewhere, she was underage. Marginal case but it is more prevalent than we assume.

[manarak]

By the way, I believe the legal age for bar work is 18, but until they are 20, the parents must co-sign the employement contract.

[Chinaman]

(manarak @ Feb. 17 2010,15:15) In the first bar I visited in Patts, one of the girls is 17.
Another girl told me.

I am also hesitant to believe what I am told by another bar girl.
She might just try to get you off her and score herself.

Lying or not telling the truth - at least in China - is not considered unethical, it is rather an art form. Is prob similar here, more so if dealing with us falangs.

[razrman]

In Singapore you have to be careful too.
A couple of months ago a 51 year old businessman pleaded guilty to one charge of committing an obscene act with a young person under the Children and Young Persons Act. Along with him 5 others were charged with a similar offence relating to the same teen. The teen advertised himself on a gay web site and was ultimately found out.
The offences were committed when the teen was 16 years old. Such offences in Singapore carry up to a two year jail term and a fine of S$5,000!
As I understand it, nothing very much happens to the teen but the offenders pay one heck of a price.
On top of that the photographs of the offending adults were splashed all over the papers!
So do be just as careful in Singapore. The age of consent is 18 by the way.

[PigDogg]

Most hotel clerks will take any ID that shows a legal age.  Some hotels will take any ID and not even check.

One technique to flush out the true age is to ask a ladyboy what her animal year is

but then you need to know which are the legal ones.

If you hear these pass (though monkeys who just had a birtday this month are OK).

1992     4 February 1992 - 22 January  1993    Monkey  
1993    23 January  1993 -  9 February 1994    Rooster  
1994    10 February 1994 - 30 January  1995    Dog      
1995    31 January  1995 - 18 February 1996    Pig    

You might also ask them their birthday casually, and then later see if it matches their ID.

[Ninewives]

(rossco @ Feb. 17 2010,16:20) The safest option is not to become too seduced by the younger looking ones.

The best advice so far.

[whore]

(Ninewives @ Feb. 18 2010,01:44)

(rossco @ Feb. 17 2010,16:20) The safest option is not to become too seduced by the younger looking ones.

The best advice so far.

But its easier said then done, especially with a few liquors consumed.

I find it as you get older it becomes harder and harder to judge peoples age by looks alone so extra care is needed with ID's.