Stabbing - Cascade LB

[mister_smith]

[robbo]

(Naang Faa @ Feb. 04 2010,17:14)

(robbo @ Feb. 03 2010,19:13) personally for me though anybody takes a knife out in front of me and threatens my life, and it has happened before, then i see no option,for me its my self preservation right here right now that matters and i will take the person out very  fast and hard . i will not put my life in the hands of a warped drug induced other.......your asking for it.

Great stuff Rambo..
  If you're only getting threats by a knife wielding loon why on earth
would you think self preservation involves trying to take them out first?
It's a bit unwise to antagonize further a person like that,it's exactly what
happened to this guy (if the story is true) and he ends up with a $500
hospital bill...
 It doesn't matter how hard you are,how well trained you are,chances are
you're going to get a wound or worse..

Just keep your cool and do nothing unless they actually go for you.
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you take your own advice if ever faced with this situation and you take your own chances also, thats up to you Naang Faa its your call though once you do that then youve allready let your potential killer make the desicions and not you. someone who takes a weapon out at you is in no reasonable state of mind i myself dont wish to allow someone like that to have power over my life its that simple.
id rather have to leave town early for fear of reprisals after defending myself,as we all know full well just how Thais like to outnumber and bully and beat up Farangs. id rather leave with my life and body intact thanks.
thats my call youve yours,up to you.

[Naang Faa]

(robbo @ Feb. 05 2010,19:04) you take your own advice if ever faced with this situation and you take your own chances also, thats up to you Naang Faa its your call though once you do that then youve allready let your potential killer make the desicions and not you. someone who takes a weapon out at you is in no reasonable state of mind i myself dont wish to allow someone like that to have power over my life its that simple.
id rather have to leave town early for fear of reprisals after defending myself,as we all know full well just how Thais like to outnumber and bully and beat up Farangs. id rather leave with my life and body intact thanks.
thats my call youve yours,up to you.

That's all well and good Robbo,but isn't that exactly what got this
guy stabbed? Making a move on an armed person is letting them
make a decision they may have never took...

By the way, if you go to any city in any country in the west you'll
find people ganging up and fighting individuals too..
x

[alyssats]

(whore @ Feb. 04 2010,23:09) Warning, if any forum member finds themselves in a similar situation follow these guidelines. Give her the 2000baht, then whip out your cock and slap her with it and teabag her face with your balls. Worse case scenario you end up working in Kings corner as a post op.

me like that

[alyssats]

With all the facts and data presented i therefore conclude that this story is pure bullshit lol

[donnnnnny]

(bayhill @ Jan. 31 2010,18:49) Gents, someone may have already posted this.  I just read it on Stickmans website.  Here's the link.

http://www.stickmanbangkok.com/Reade...reader5736.htm

Stabbing At Nana
By Stabbing Victim
It can happen to anyone although I thought you should know about this and post it to your site as a cautionary tale.

I'm a very experienced traveller, frequent visitor to Nana, speak conversational Thai and am not a newbie to the bar girl scene by any stretch of the imagination. I've been going to Bangkok sometimes multiple times per year since 1989 and am aged 51. On this particular occasion, on January 8th, 2010, I was stabbed by a ladyboy I barfined from Cascade on the third floor of Nana at about 1:30 am in a short-time room right in the plaza..

Here's what happened: I know the reputation of ladyboys and have heard the tales of trouble; hence I've had very few ladyboy experiences but have had some in the past. I always felt particularly safer about taking care of business at the short-time rooms in Nana versus bringing someone back to the hotel (although I've done that too with many of the bar girls) in years gone by. On this Friday night I didn't see anything of interest on the first floor of Nana and thought I would take a walk on the wild side at floor three. I went into Cascade and was speaking with a few ladyboys although none really were to my liking. I was just about to leave when they called over this ladyboy who seemed pleasant enough if not a little business-like but convinced me to barfine her / him as I was about to go. I was breaking my own rules in as much as I failed to have any real conversation and or get to know the person a little before leaving. It wasn't a conscious thought, but 600 baht later I'm out the door of Cascade.

The first thing she asks "Where you stay?" I said I didn't want to go to my hotel but rather a short time room on the third floor opposite Cascade. There also happens to be one right next door to Cascade but he/she said that she didn't like that one (struck me as curious). The ladyboy starts to smoke at this point which really put me off, and most of the girls know not to do this if they're leaving with a customer. My take in retrospect was that she was nervous and knew full well she was about to rip me off.

We checked in to a short time room and went upstairs. I was having my doubts all along because of the smoking but I decided to put it behind me and out of my mind. The ladyboy got undressed and was fiddling with her purse (her back to me). I had my shirt off and shoes off when she turns around and says "YOU PAY ME FIRST!" This stunned me and I instantly knew we were heading down the wrong road. I made the decision then to cut my losses and proclaimed game over and attempted to leave. As I put my shirt on she stood there naked holding a small knife blocking the door and repeated her demands, "YOU PAY ME FIRST!!" Of course you can imagine the dialogue.

First I said, "Put away the knife dear, I'm not paying anything, I'm leaving - thank you very much."

It fell on deaf ears.

"I WANT 2000 BAHT!"

I walked over and put on my shoes pondering the surreal nature of what was going on here. I really couldn't believe the situation that was developing. She wasn't budging and insisted "YOU PAY", threatening and shaking the knife.

At this point I'm examining the options trying to figure what to do in real disbelief this was actually happening. I've been with hundreds of barfines in my time and never anything like this. So I offered her a 1000 baht as a tip for her trouble and hoped he/she'd move away. It didn't happen.

"I WANT 2000 BAHT! YOU PAY NOW!!" The tone really changed with her and I thought about punching her out but she seemed pretty intent on using that knife.

I've seen as many karate movies as the next guy and all the tough guys would say "I'd have cleaned her clock" but there was something off-putting about punching what looks like a lady before you and two knowing that if you decided to strike you'd have to make sure he / she would never get up because then she's coming at you with that knife justified in her mind of defending him / herself. It was really a can't win situation. I guess I just didn't want to fight a death match right there and then. It was all just so unreal.

Discretion being the better part of valour, I decided to pay what was demanded but I was bloody pissed in being squeezed to do so. So I threw the 2000 baht to the floor and as she went to pick it up (and on the way out) I pushed her head away cursing at her and went for the door. Unfortunately the left turn I made out the door had me miss the staircase (had I stayed to the right) and put me in a dead end with this screaming he / she coming at me with a knife. It was line a horror movie. I was trapped with my back up the against the wall (literally) so I snap kicked her to the chest to get away not even thinking at this point. Blam, the ladyboy drove the knife deeply into my thigh and the blood began to pour. I was certain I was going to be killed. The rest is just a blur of seeing my hand soaked in blood - then she somehow retreated or I otherwise was able to get past her and down the stairs. In case anyone is wondering what it feels like to be stabbed; the answer is absolutely nothing. The adrenaline was flowing and I don't really recall being hit but the blood flow quickly put a punctuation on what had happened.

The following day (stupidly - I shouldn't have waited) I went to the hospital and after about $500 USD in stitches and treatment later I'm more or less good as new. I subsequently went back to the mamasan at Cascade and told him what happened and they knew who I was dealing with right away. They said he / she was always fighting with the customers, demanding payment in advance etc but this was the first they had actually heard or seen of her handiwork. I was told that she'd be fired but who really knows? I didn't get back my barfine nor my 2000 baht.

As for me; I've sworn off ladyboys and won't ever be in another short time room without some kind of protection, be that pepper spray or a C2 taser (my new weapon of choice). It's amazing that it's gotten to this but as you know the police are worse than the criminals and simply of no use at all. You are on your own and left to your own devices in Bangkok, as sad as that may seem.

As your readers presumably find themselves in a room alone with a barfine they might seriously consider what they would do (and the ramifications of doing it) should they be as unlucky as I and put into the same circumstance. For all the macho guys who say they'd have killed her / him in self defence - is that really how you'd like to spend your vacation, at a police station explaining this? For those who decide I'd really hit her hard; well essential (at the end anyway after being trapped) that's what I did and I caught some knife action for doing so. This is a no-win dangerous game; fortunately your readers will have had the benefit of experience in at least having thought out or prepared for a course of action in advance. This ladyboy had a knife and by God she was going to use it. For all the damage, I guess I'm lucky to be alive.

Stickman's thoughts:

That's a really nasty situation.  Ladyboys are a funny lot and they can be awfully temperamental.  With that said, this sort of thing could happen with a girl too.  Ladyboys don't have exclusive rights to setting on customers, that's for sure!
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strait out of some crappy book. I personally dont believe it.
1st who was she? if i was stabbed by a ladyboy the whole world would know her name and number.
2nd i would have gone strait to the police and bled on there desk so they could do something. the guy knows where she works and her number etc. case solved.(dont forget to offer a tip to the cops first)
Utter crap story that never happened. just my 2 pennys worth

donnnnnnnny

[donnnnnny]

(Kuranyi @ Feb. 04 2010,20:30) Not a question of a newbie mistake or not.Could happen to anyone.

Its very hard to handle such a situation.Been into one myself last month in Pattaya.Thank god there was no knife involved.I could manage to kick her out of my apartment before she cud further damage.At the end i didnt pay what she demanded although she smashed a whole in my door which costed me 1000THB more.But u just cant tolerate these trys.

Thats how Thailand got.I give them 5 more years then the tourism will be at its end cuz of their greed for money.Cambodia,Vietnam and Laos already offer much more value for your money.

Police is useless and can cause u even more problems.

i tend to agree with your 5 year theory and the thai greed for money .

[spare wheel]

(Torurot @ Feb. 05 2010,06:21)  The REASON why it's stupid may not be clear to a first time or infrequent visitor.  

Never touch a another persons head.  Reason: The head is "sacred".  Someone else may have a better explanation.

Never throw money on the ground. Reason: It is disrespectful to the Thai King who all Thais love/respect is on the money, so therefore you are disrespecting the King...

Why would a "westerner" know either of these things?  So a disaster waiting to happen either through ignorance of custom or by design if the guy knew these things, which he probably did not..

i understand what your saying here Torurot with the thai culture and stuff, but FFS the last thing on my mind would be culture values when confronted with a angry pissed off lb with a knife.
its a bull shit story, the guy a monger 20yrs + would know better on how to deal with that situation.
and anyone would just pay up, walk out and back to bar, tell mamasan and forget it, and hope the bitch gets a slap from managment.

SW

[Naang Faa]

(Torurot @ Feb. 05 2010,00:21) Never touch a another persons head.  Reason: The head is "sacred".  Someone else may have a better explanation.

I'm not entirely sure how far this goes,if it's a dying out custom
or something,but touching heads has never been avoided or
frowned upon in my experience.you even see it in endless Thai soaps
and movies..Feet is still extremely taboo though.
x

[guydesavoy]

(Naang Faa @ Feb. 06 2010,03:45) Feet is still extremely taboo though.
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Where is bigmick ?

[Guest]

(Torurot @ Feb. 05 2010,06:21)  The REASON why it's stupid may not be clear to a first time or infrequent visitor.  

Never touch a another persons head.  Reason: The head is "sacred".  Someone else may have a better explanation.

Never throw money on the ground. Reason: It is disrespectful to the Thai King who all Thais love/respect is on the money, so therefore you are disrespecting the King...

I sincerely doubt that throwing money on the ground and insulting the king was at the forefront of the drug addled ladyboys mind at that particular moment. All she was thinking about was getting the money. Seriously, do you really expect when someone is threatening you with a knife that you are going to walk up to them and place it right in their hand. He likely threw it on the floor to make sure she and the knife was well away from him.  Now if james bond was there he would have picked up the mattress, charged at her and rammed her into the corner and got out pronto.

[Instant Kama]

My first entry, hi guys:

Cant go along with the five year theory, i'd settle for 15, Thailand's 'hot spots', the tourist resorts, were finished in general as decent places with reasonable people by the mid 90's, at the VERY latest.
Mess with shit and you get your hands dirty.

Cambodia is on the husp of joining them, the've joined the anti farang/barang club after only ten years of opening up to the masses.

However let's not just point the finger as Asia, i believe people do get stabbed in other parts of the world.

[Ninewives]

(donnnnnny @ Feb. 06 2010,02:45)

(Kuranyi @ Feb. 04 2010,20:30) Not a question of a newbie mistake or not.Could happen to anyone.

Its very hard to handle such a situation.Been into one myself last month in Pattaya.Thank god there was no knife involved.I could manage to kick her out of my apartment before she cud further damage.At the end i didnt pay what she demanded although she smashed a whole in my door which costed me 1000THB more.But u just cant tolerate these trys.

Thats how Thailand got.I give them 5 more years then the tourism will be at its end cuz of their greed for money.Cambodia,Vietnam and Laos already offer much more value for your money.

Police is useless and can cause u even more problems.

i tend to agree with your 5 year theory and the thai greed for money .

You don't think the predicition is a little dramatic?

[Juri]

...my add on just is.......ok, throw some money on the floor and hit on head is maybe an injure of a local law......but lock the door with a knife in the hand to order money for nothing....that excuse all kind of attack/devence.....

..she was a lucky one not meet me for try to do that... in my case i would have kick her head from the shoulders.......

but if it's true i will find out who.....not from mama san, there are some better kinds of informations aviable...

[pacman]

[quote=Ninewives,Feb. 07 2010,12:44]

i tend to agree with your 5 year theory and the thai greed for money .

  You don't think the predicition is a little dramatic?

No. It will depend on what happens to the local economy if tourists continue to stay away.

If the police get so desperate for money that farangs are just not safe from their tactics & the negative publicity keeps more tourists away, very quickly the place could descend into lawlessness.

The Volunteer Tourist Police in Pattaya could be the first casuality & whether we like them or not, they offer protection against the scammers & attacks made against farangs. Take them away & we become very vulnerable. There is a thin veneer of civility in places like Pattaya IMO & if half the barworkers were going hungry - where do you think they will look for money?

I mentioned this elsewhere but I will repeat it again - the estimated number of tourists to LOS in 2009 were reported as being up on 2008 at around 17 million. This was an invention on the part of the Tourist Office to save face or to maintain confidence. The real number of tourists last year were around 6.5 million. This year could be worse.

BTW, there are many bargirls barely getting by now. My comment about half of them going hungry, I worry that the day is not that far off if things don't pick up soon.