Now it's my turn...

[thegame925]

JaiDee - Post #70 :- Unfortunately I don't have the body of a track star and the face of an angel, so no one is sending me a bunch of cash every month; but I can pretty much assure you that if some older lady WERE to start doing that I would keep telling her anything she wanted in order to keep the checks coming in.

As you know JaiDee, I most certainly don't have the body of a track star and the face of an angel, but twice a week the wife of the ex-client that I am living with is introducing me to wealthy widows and divorcees and is getting very exasperated that I am not taking the bait.

Currently I am hardly working; I€™m low on funds, but I just cannot bring myself to get involved with some older lady in order to get some money coming in.

I€™m expecting to recover physically and to get back to my old haunts and old habits, and along the way get the financial wherewithal to maintain myself in the style to which I had become accustomed.

Yeah, its but was just giving a response to your post.

[KingofNANA]

(sassy lb @ Nov. 07 2009,12:29) I have to go with fat old man

I thought we were "Hansum"?  

[kahuna]

(Lefty @ Nov. 07 2009,20:51) Being poor is no excuse for being dishonest.

There is an enormous cultural chasm between east and west...She is only being dishonest in your mind...not hers...

[JaiDee]

(thegame925 @ Nov. 07 2009,21:13) twice a week the wife of the ex-client that I am living with is introducing me to wealthy widows and divorcees and is getting very exasperated that I am not taking the bait.

not really off-topic .......sounds like you could be in the same position of a lot of these ladyboys if you were more healthy right now.

You the man, Game! Hope you get feeling better really soon......

[trobriand]

(JaiDee @ Nov. 07 2009,17:23) the bar person is doing only what is natural for them and for what will most benefit her and her family the most.  If she meets some fool who will give her tons of cash and she takes it, the westerner has more baht than brains and deserves to get played, frankly.

I understand where you are coming from, but it is the wisdom of someone who has been too close to the parallel universe of ladyboys and the depraved circle of sharks (us) who circle them, for too long.

What you state gives the right for every prick who wants to misuse, abuse, steal, mug, rape and torture the opportunity to do so.

It is wonderful that the other 90% of people in the world don't have such a jaded view of life and world.

I doubt very much if you apply the same logic to your own interactions with others.

You seem like a fairly pleasant chap.

[JaiDee]

(trobriand @ Nov. 07 2009,22:24) I doubt very much if you apply the same logic to your own interactions with others.

You seem like a fairly pleasant chap.

Quite sure that's a mild dig rather than a back-handed compliment but that's OK, I've gotten much worse around here!  

 True, I wouldn't apply these rules to my interactions with others; IN THE WEST.  But in Asia the standard rules do not apply.... all the weirdness in this thread is not only commonplace there, but fairly expected in countries where corruption, graft and lying multiple times per day just to save face are very common.

[trobriand]

(kahuna @ Nov. 07 2009,22:02)

(Lefty @ Nov. 07 2009,20:51) Being poor is no excuse for being dishonest.

There is an enormous cultural chasm between east and west...She is only being dishonest in your mind...not hers...

Actually there are plenty of people in the west who think in just the same way, you may just have been fortunate enough not to meet them.

Maybe I am lucky but I know a few ladyboys and many Thais who a surprisingly honest and generous, in fact both honesty and generosity are held in high esteem in more enlightened sectors of Thai culture, so I feel it is a bit unjustified to make generalizations about east and west based on the behavior of some in a sub culture of Thai society.

I bet you guys are going to climb into me now.

Strangely enough in the 6 or 7 years I have lived in Thailand I have not been scammed once.

My experience may be unusual but I have been constantly surprised by the good actions of those around me who could have taken me for a ride but chose not to.

[sassy lb]

[QUOTE]

Don't know why still keep back here. if it that bad.

[sassy lb]

[QUOTE]
I've gotten much worse around here!

so why you keep coming back?

[JaiDee]

(trobriand @ Nov. 07 2009,22:41) I bet you guys are going to climb into me now.

Strangely enough in the 6 or 7 years I have lived in Thailand I have not been scammed once.

that's great news, keep it up....as you can see here however not as many people are quite so lucky.

No reason to tear into your posts, you haven't said anything out of whack and any comments to keep this thread going are welcome

[kahuna]

(trobriand @ Nov. 07 2009,22:41) Actually there are plenty of people in the west who think in just the same way, you may just have been fortunate enough not to meet them.

I'm not referring to a conscious cognitive process (thinking)...I am referring to a societies' construction of reality...

[Guest]

(anthony70 @ Nov. 07 2009,15:32) can we hear more about this "wood".?

mortgage.
council tax.
water rates.
house insurance.
electricity.
gas.
tv licence.
vehicle insurance.
road tax.
income tax.
national insurance.
bank charges.
accountant fees.
public liability insurance.
advertising costs.
telephone.
diesel.

then finally ............food.

everybody fights .

you forgot CSA the bastards !

stevie

[thick81]

I know a few ladyboys and many Thais who a surprisingly honest and generous, in fact both honesty and generosity are held in high esteem in more enlightened sectors of Thai culture

Agreed, and I am fortunate for it

I recall my early days as a newbie to the transgender scene

I read all the warnings here, listened to all the stories from my new BM friends, dipped my toe in the water with a few bar girls, and recognized that it was - for the most part - true

Then as now, I came to believe that 'you can take the girl out of the bar, but ...'

Still, the prospect finding a relationship with a LB in the most tolerant culture on earth was what compelled me - just like Stogie - to consider a relocation to Thailand

It was not long before I was introduced by a BM here to the LB that - for a while - became the love of my life

She was my first LB, and I her first farang

You may have read my description of her in another thread on this forum

To avoid repeating what most of you have already read, suffice to say she was (and is) a well educated professional who would never go near Nana or Patpong out of fear that one of her Thai friends by chance might see her in close proximity to those dens of iniquity

As all relationships go, it was great in the beginning

As the months went by, we both struggled with the cultural differences as well as the different 'road maps of the mind' - but we remained together as we both knew the the good outweighed the 'difficult'

That said, an open mind and a loving heart cannot always hold sway over the temptations of life

Put another way - I was a good-looking but unmistakeably older farang

She was an incredibly hot late 20's LB, on TV or in print on a monthly basis

I was traveling continuously in my work, typically home only 15 days a month

She was surrounded by beautiful people by day, and hot Thai boys in the night clubs where she sang at night

I was faithful to her when I was away, and head over heels in love when I was at home

She was having a good time with a wonderfully kind and attentive farang after being abused in her previous relationship with a Thai guy

Thank goodness she was - as described above - an honest Thai who valued her self esteem more than any material gifts I could bestow

Thus did she ask me five months into the relationship - to her credit, after giving me a couple of days to sleep off the jet lag after arriving home - how I would feel if she enjoyed a 'gik' while I was away on my next trip

This question rocked me back on my heels, but only for a moment

I recalled the time when I was her age - late 20's, flying fighters in the US military and having the time of my life, Tom Cruise's 'Maverick' before there was a 'Topgun' movie

Like her, I was at the top of my game, someone who could have had almost any girl in town

If a hot, sexy, funny, and incredibly wealthy woman - who just happened to be in her early 50's - had picked me to be her BF back then, could I have remained faithful to her?

Of course, I knew what the answer would have been:

"Thanks, but no thanks, you are wonderful but I want to have my fun..."

Could it be any different with her?

Thus was the 'beginning of the end' of my first relationship with a LB

With the benefit of hindsight and a greater understanding of Thai culture, I have since wondered - was this her way of communicating that she no longer wanted to remain in a relationship with me?

Or - given my consent - would she have continued with me half the month, and enjoyed her fun while I was away?

I have come to the conclusion that it really did not matter

This girl could have done a 'Chompoo' on me with ease - or, to use another analogy in this thread, enjoyed a great ride with 'the keys to the car' that I was offering on a monthly basis

As i turned out, many of her LB friends (both in Bangkok, and in her home town of Khon Khaen) were encouraging her to continue - if not escalate - the 'ride' I was giving her even as she had her fun while I was away

Had her family, economic, and educational background been different, I doubt she would have hesitated even for a moment

I can only conclude that something - perhaps a sense of honesty and merit - compelled her to

- talk about doing it before she actually did it, or

- having been tempted to play while I was away - and found it to be to her liking - decided it was better to end the ride before either of us was hurt

Why do I relate this here?

Put simply, this thread brought back some memories, and compelled me to offer my .02 USD worth

Jaidee - whom I have met, and like - will doubtless lump me in with the other 99% of fools, and call me lucky for having avoided losing both heart and wallet to this babe

Foxxee - whom I have not met, but would certainly like to some day - might admire my both my optimistic nature and my former GF's sense of fair play, and enjoy the irony that my ex is now 'ready' to settle down

I think  every case is different, and likely falls somewhere between those two extremes

I think also that - entertainment value to the experienced BMs aside - the value in this thread is to the new guys who are just starting out

If you are tempted to enjoy not just a Thai LB, but any TG - for more than a night, or on any basis other than P4P - please do so with your eyes wide open to what you see in her, and what you see when you look in the mirror

Do not delude yourself for even a moment that 'love' can make a long distance relationship work

If you can manage something more than an infrequent vacation, do not be tempted by wishful or optimistic thinking - as I was - that 15 days away each month is the equivalent of 15 days at home with your partner each month  

Never forget for a moment that you are in a different culture that has its own notion of honesty, merit, and fair play - and that you may not be as lucky as I was if you foolishly commit heart and wallet before the right time

Enjoy the attentions of your girl, but take it slow, be wary of the scams, and recall well stories like Socrates and others here - and, as Foxxee says, don't be afraid to give the Missus a grilling now and then lol

Many thanks to those who have contributed here, and best wishes to all

[anthony70]

this is turning out to be an excellent thread.
we all end up having a soft spot for a certain lb. its only natural.
but i always stick by my mantra.

THERE IS NO SAILING OF INTO THE SUNSET FOR US LOT.!

enjoy the ride for what it is, keep it simple. and pay as you go.
no better time to be alive.

[rxpharm]

Doubtful we'll know all the facts in this situation. However, I would like to point out something - if he offered to sponsor her, marriage, money, etc. then he's the one more at fault here. Just think of it this way - would you turn a sponsorship down?

If she asked to be sponsored, then it's a different situation.

One more thing, it's pretty clear he isn't a newbie to the lb scene, and most likely sought out Champoo after seeing her photos on the internet. It's not as if he went into this completely naive about lbs, as he's been in Thailand a number of years.

Also least you think this sort of thing is only seen in lbs, here's a bit of gossip - not sure how true it is, but sounds plausible from that upstanding news source, The Star:

Nov 3 : Hollywood actor Tom Cruise and wife Katie Holmes are reportedly renegotiating their marriage contract.

According to US magazine Star, the couple€™s contract will expire this month on their third wedding anniversary
, and Holmes is said to be increasing her demands on everything from her clothing allowance to her negotiated fee for providing a sibling for the couple''s daughter, Suri.

According to Woman''s Day, the 30-year-old actress has called in her lawyer father to help with her demands for an extra 500,000 dollars for supporting Cruise''s chosen religion, Scientology, reports The Sydney Morning Herald.

She€™s also demanding an increase in her annual clothing allowance from 750,000 dollars to 2 million dollars.

Holmes has also asked for a role in the next €˜Mission: Impossible film€™.

Famous magazine has reported that Holmes received 3-million-dollar bonus from Cruise when she gave birth to Suri.

And now wants more children and ''''increased the additional offspring offer as an incentive for Katie to get pregnant again".

Cruise is apparently ready to pay up to 5.5 million dollars to Holmes to fall pregnant, with a 2 million dollars bonus if she conceives by 2011.

However, according to the mag, Holmes wants at least 11 million dollars if she gives birth and 5.5 million dollars if she tries and fails.

If this is true, then who's the bigger "gold digger?"