Can you believe this?

[Lefty]

(bickers @ May 14 2009,14:10) Picked up in WS one night

Thanks Bickers!! Any more pics of her?

[PanzerPorn]

(ladyboyluva @ May 15 2009,01:34) just some customers are trying to buy something they ain't selling. Those girls though still have hearts and minds

I don't want to buy that , i rather need a younger cock but since i don't want to castrate them ( and my faggy fantasies)
i could think about buying a fresh new liver .......

Probably Diogenes "The Cynic"was the only one who ever bought a heart from a ladyboy.

How do you know if you are jaded or simply older or wiser?
Talk to a ladyboy friend (1%) and you will see you still have to learn a lot.

[JaiDee]

I'd be curious to read a Ladyboy message board!

I mean, if there was a board where the Nana and Pattaya girls read, and discussed us....I have the feeling this one and others like it would be much more flattering to the objects of our desires than one of theirs would be towards us.

  I doubt there would be threads about " did you see how hot Jim looked tonight?" "Isn't  Tom from Wisconsin a real looker"?  With photos of us various punters on the street looking all hot and sexy in our skimpy outfits  hahaha
   More like how to handle multiple boyfriends, who is a good and bad tipper, best places to work, whether to go to singapore or not,  how much to accept for LT and ST, the Japanese men, etc.... so despite the occassional wise-ass or grumpy comment here about the LB's I think the overall tone of the board is very favorable towards them.  As it should be if they are nice people

[f0xxee]

(ladyboyluva @ May 15 2009,01:13)

(PanzerPorn @ May 13 2009,03:33) Internet "dreamers"with a heart of gold willing to give it to twisted male sex workers..........

To give a ladyboy power is like to give a monkey a gun.

Pardon my newbie naivete, but I get the feeling from some of the regulars here that they almost hate ladyboys.

Is this a result of not getting the real affections they sought over so many years, or perhaps some exteriorization of their self-hatred for treating the target of their affections as meat?

This is not meant to deny the fact that naive guys let themselves get fooled by working lbs and even some non-working lbs, it is just a query into this apparent antagonism and disrespect for the very people I thought we were here to appreciate.

Well said ladyboylover,

I think you have a point. And I think you might be uncomfortably close to the truth for a few of us here.

I know my dislike of filipina LB's come from being burnt too often, and it blinds you to the good girls out there.

[Lefty]

(ladyboyluva @ May 14 2009,12:16) .

I've only done p4p once. My other experiences are relationships with non-working lbs (though that line can be thin at times), so I guess my perception is a bit skewed by that. What the future holds I can't be sure, but I don't think the p4p scene is the way to go for me. Seems a tough life to me, despite the obvious thrills. I wouldn't be surprised if such a lifestyle, over time, would harden my heart and make me feel similarly on occassion.

I think the line can be awfully thin. Many of the lbs in the Phils, that one can meet online on contact sites, such as Friendster, do not work in p4p, but are still very good and diligent in their attempts to get some lonely foreign man to help them with a little money long distance. You're not paying for sex, or future sex, just helping out a new sincere friend, right? They are as skilled as the Pinay at using the natural good nature and naivety of the foreign men against them. Generally speaking anyway, there are exceptions to every rule.
One thing about the Thai lbs, I've chatted and talked to a few long distance before and after meeting them, and I cannot recall even one asking me to send them money. Of course every lb I know there is p4p or was at the time. So, at least IMO, there is less bullshit with the Thai p4p lbs. You pay for services rendered at the time and really there is no reason and ongoing attempts to support them while you are freezing your ass off back in Falangland, dreaming of when you can get back there. However, I have been bullshitted by a Thai lb, but it is no more likely than with a non p4p white female in one's home country. Even in a setup like that we often pay for sex in some way shape or form.
I think it is still possible to have a good relationship with a Thai lb, and it can even be one you met who was working in p4p at the time. Don't tell me otherwise, just because it is not a hard and fast rule. We can't paint all Thai lbs with the same broad brush and hopefully they know, and I think most do, that they can't paint all falang with the same broad brush. Consider Jellybean and Kai. Last we heard here was that they are happy and still together. Consider the famous Natalie and her falang BF, who were introduced while she was still working p4p and now is out of the game because of her relationship with him.
To me, the #1 key besides finding one of the many lbs who are good hearted, is to be there at least half the time, if not full time.
IMO, the biggest mistake any of us make is to try to have a gf/bf relationship with a lb, while we still have to spend 10-11 months a year working back in our home country. That could work for a yr or two, depending on the ground rules agreed upon by the falang and lb, but otherwise it is likely doomed to failure.
If some guys think it is silly to even consider a relationship with one lb, then bully for them. They can be happy going on their biannual sex vacations and more power to them. I know they can be fun too. But if someone wants to be with one and can be there basically full time, I think it can work too, depending on the participants involved.

[PanzerPorn]

Probably there is such board somewhere, encrypted into a totally obscure ancient language given by homosexual aliens to ladyboys 10.000 years ago.
Being a member there wouldn't be easy same to have someone giving to you the phone number of a good yaba agent.

Generally ladyboys aren't gentlemen........at least i agree on this one with most of the forum members.

[PanzerPorn]

(Lefty @ May 15 2009,05:28) I think it is still possible to have a good relationship with a Thai lb, and it can even be one you met who was working in p4p at the time.

It's not a problem of gender and you can even overcome her profession if you really want to, it's a problem of nationality.

THAI RAK THAI.
THAI KATOY RAK PUCHAI THAI LOO

and can someone be involved in a gay relationship and still be faithful?

[ladyboyluva]

(PanzerPorn @ May 15 2009,04:39) I'm sorry if i offended you guys with my cynical words
( that's my fear of gay bashing speaking) but bisexuality confuses me......I hate being gay..It just sucks you know?

I know nobody loves a cynic, except maybe another cynic,that's the reason why i get along pretty good with most all "the monkeys with guns".

Only 1% for me , the other 99%  is just amazing completely unaffected emotionally mechanical sex carried on with mutual respect of our roles and no bullshit.

Guys defending their honour are trapped in their evil games, they play and manipulate our fears, compassions and secret closeted fantasies pushing the right buttons to have the reactions that not even a 500$ an hour shrink can control.
As someone once said for thai gg "they are cunning like a fox with the brain of a golfish", the brain of a gay goldfish in this case.

Envy is vicious and makes people bitter , i wish i could dress like a schoolgirl in pattaya and have people worshipping me like their only hermaphrodite God but unfortunately i can stand my ground over 1,50cm.

I'm sorry JaiDee but i cannot call you JadeDee anymore......

Thanks for explaining your position PanzerPorn.

In the life you are living it all makes some sense I guess, and is quite humorous to boot.

But for those of us who seek relationships ( I mean living with these girls ), it means opening up oneself to the highs and lows that that can bring. (I'd assume you've tried that once or twice or several scar wounds before).

Personally the sex aspect, preferable as it is, is only about 25% of what draws me to a lb partner. I could sacrifice sexual desire and live a simpler life, but what draws me most is the mental, emotional and spiritual aspect of being with them that feels right, more right than it can with any woman.

And to be compassionate about the difficult life choices they have and to know their fears and weaknesses and hopes.

This path may be a dangerous roller coaster, and it's gonna be pretty hard if you're 60 and fat and hoping to catch the heart of an 20 year old with a face like an angel.

I guess there are two different games in town and it takes a different mindset to play either game.

btw: Thanks to all for the considered responses. No doubt the wanabe lovers and the punters and those in between will bump heads from time to time. Those who have a lb close to their heart are always going to be a bit sensitive to mass generalizations of lbs that are insensitive or overly critical.

[pacman]

(ladyboyluva @ May 15 2009,10:13) And to be compassionate about the difficult life choices they have and to know their fears and weaknesses and hopes.

Now you are getting deep, talking about compassion on a porn forum...

Compassion is seen as a sign of weakness by the P4P hard nuts. While they expertly turn on the charm to play on our emotions, their ulterior motive is never, almost never, the same as ours.

Offer up one emotionally wrecked farang male still scarred by the memory of a relationship gone bad & they are like lambs to the slaughter.

I simply can't barfine the hard cases who have been on the beat for years. Their hearts are colder than stone & the over-all experience leaves me underwhelmed.

Hence my preference for the newer arrivals, not only because they still have their sweet demeanour, but because they are not just about the business.

And then I do feel compassion for the girls, it's nice to be able to let our emotions have a little holiday run, for me it is all part of my trip.

As ladyboyluva puts it - there are 2 games in town. I wish him good luck in his quest to find love, it adds a whole other dimension to a LOS holiday, but I need to remind him of the immortal line -

A female can fake an orgasm, a ladyboy can fake an entire relationship.

[Master Bator]

& &

I thought the topic here was whether Bee was actually the same girl as Emma aka Amy.
Or is this an amateur psychology forum?

[rxpharm]

To bring things back to the topic at hand, here are a couple of wonderful photos snapper took of Bee very recently.



and

Start from this post in his thread Snapper's First Trip Report

[Master Bator]

I believe some university uniform pics of Bee (snapped by Snapper) will be posted very soon

[pacman]

(Master Bator @ May 15 2009,11:26) I thought the topic here was whether Bee was actually the same girl as Emma aka Amy.
Or is this an amateur psychology forum?

Are you really upset that this thread was "threadjacked"?

Sometimes it is very annoying, other times when the subject matter has run its course, it can re-invigorate the thread.

I didn't set out to piss anyone off, I can only request you ignore the irrelevant posts & concentrate on the pictures.

BTW, Bee is a real find, she is now in demand, thanks to the power of the forum...

She's the type of girl you could fall in love with, even...    

[ladyboyluva]

@ Master Bator,
Sorry for the threadjacking, but it kind of flowed on from the derogatory quotes I pointed out.

I would have started another thread but I thought the flaming might have a little less combustion with my questions / positions hidden within an existing thread.

Ok, back to Bee and Emma and some unconstrained hedonism.

[D33]

I'm the one who shot her for YAT and a few other sites. I have a shit load of content of her that is yet to be released, real hot stuff.

She's a sweety.