How To Treat a Ladyboy - Hints and Tips

[doug]

(Ozzie @ Mar. 25 2009,00:07) Are you for real? You seem to think you are the authority on all things Thai.

I hope nobody coming to Thailand on a holiday even contemplates listening to your rhetoric.

No, I'm no expert on Thailand.

Heck, anyone whose lived here more than a year is going to have an opinion about what makes Thai people tick. And we base that opinion on our personal experiences.

So if I happened to have a different experience than you did, that would lead me to a different opinion, wouldn't it?

Doesn't mean that one of use has to be wrong for the other to be right. It just means that it's a big country and there's plenty of room for everyone to be right about something.

[Ozzie]

(doug @ Mar. 25 2009,06:13) No, I'm no expert on Thailand.

Heck, anyone whose lived here more than a year is going to have an opinion about what makes Thai people tick.  And we base that opinion on our personal experiences.

So if I happened to have a different experience than you did, that would lead me to a different opinion, wouldn't it?

Doesn't mean that one of use has to be wrong for the other to be right.  It just means that it's a big country and there's plenty of room for everyone to be right about something.

I apologise I was a bit harsh but I just got a bit annoyed at the what to me seems like over analysis of everything instead of just going with the flow and enjoying yourself.

I did live in Thailand for over a year and also made plenty of visits but I still really do not know what makes the Thai people tick but I don't really have to.

I made every mistake in the book on my first few trips but don't think it had had much impact on my recent trips at all. I still continue to make mistakes but I don't think much about it and just try to have fun.

If you want to live in Thailand then maybe all this effort in understanding Thai people might be worthwhile but if you just come on holiday once or twice a year then all you need is the basics.

[deepthroat]

I love this thread. Although it's as prone to getting bogged down in flame wars as any other, there's some great nuggets spread throughout it. And a high proportion of those seem to emanate from Doug.

Thanks again.

[baroncarlton]

Don't fart in bed

They really don't like it

[baroncarlton]

(Stogie @ Mar. 23 2009,05:11) I've only ever used a short time room once in my life. It was so stressful I couldn't even get it up!

Interesting. You may or may not remember but a few months back i bumped into you at the carpark outside Guess.
To cut a long story short, that evening i barfined Beer and made my one and only visit to a short time room. A soft experience ensued.
Now this might have been a result of the horrible conditions, Beers phimosis, the booze or may you have passed on some kind of Voodoo limp dick curse my way?

Either way i'm onto you

[cancer12]

How about, 'How to treat prostitute ladyboys and ordinary ladyboys?'

is there any fine difference? please honest opinions...

[halla]

For me, I would say no. Not after you've made the agreements and walked her out of the bar. After that point I would treat her like any other girl and have a fun night out. Guess I wouldn't fit the "quick in and out, here's your baht dream customer" mentioned early in this tread.

But I have to admit that my experience with non p4p ladyboys is rather limited. I've only spent one evening with a ladyboy who for sure was not a prostitute. To bad it was when me and some friends were island hopping, so we had to leave the next day.  

Basically did the same thing with her as I would with a working girl. Have some drinks, something to eat, some dancing, talking about this and that. So yeah, same thing, but I wouldn't expect sex after the first night. But that's more how they treat me, than how I treat them, I guess.

I've also had met ladyboys where there was no mention of money, but given the locations this happened and the fact that it soon lead to physical contact, I would guess they were working girls.

On a side note. The way the friends of your ladyboy treats you when there's no money involved is mind blowing. Opposed to some of the true mongers in here, I'll rather take a warm hug from a ladyboy I haven't seen for a couple of weeks than a silicone tit in the face.

[sukhumvitpoler]

wear a hazmat suit at all times

[sev7en]

(cancer12 @ Apr. 07 2009,22:22) prostitute ladyboys and ordinary ladyboys?'

No difference.

[doug]

(sev7en @ Apr. 08 2009,23:14)

(cancer12 @ Apr. 07 2009,22:22) prostitute ladyboys and ordinary ladyboys?'

No difference.

This is a classic example of a statement by someone who's lost the ability to distinguish between reality and Disneyland.

I'm not saying sev7en has lost it, I'm just saying that his statement resembles something that a "lost boy" might say.  Anyone who truly believes there is no difference between a prostitute and a non-working girl needs to come up for some fresh air.  You've been in "the scene" too long!

We've all met these guys (or been like that ourselves for a while).  They calculate every interaction with a female-type in monetary terms and weigh it against some mental "price list" to see if they got a "good deal" or not.

For example, a guy goes out on a date with a girl.  He spends 500B on a meal, 500B on a movie and popcorn, and 500B on miscellaneous transportation expenses.  After the date is over, he takes the girl home and says good night to her and her parents (this is Thailand, so no kissing good night on the doorstep, that'd be scandalous).

He does this twice a week for a month and he's still not getting laid.  That's over 12,000B he's "spent" on her and she still hasn't "put out".  In fact, they aren't even holding hands in public (that'd be scandalous too). On the other hand, depending on his P4P skills, he could have easily fucked six to twelve different girls for the same "price".

Is he getting a good deal?

Your answer to that question will determine how deep you've sunk into "Disneyland".

The P4P scene teaches us that sex is a commodity and it can be bought, sold, traded in a market economy.  

Reality teaches us that sex is an intimate interaction between two people and that connection can never be bought or sold.

Since we all hang out in the P4P scene from time to time (or fulltime for some), I'm guessing that we all have a slight malfunction in our mental make-up that predisposes us to thinking of human relationships in monetary terms.  

If you could rank a person's degree of sociopathy from "asshole" to "psychotic killer", most of us probably hang out on the "asshole" end of the scale.  We don't seem like "assholes" to each other because we all share the same malfunction.  But I'm pretty sure the average person would look at these forums and say, "what a bunch of assholes!"

Being an asshole is fine, as long as you retain the ability to distinguish when it is appropriate behavior and when it is not.  

Asking a girl, "how much?" in Nana Plaza is perfectly fine (it's STILL an asshole thing to do, no matter what, but it's acceptable in Nana because everyone's an asshole in Nana, so we blend in).  A "shameful" transaction is taking place between two "shameful" people, but since only other assholes are watching it, nobody cares, and it feels "normal" in that environment.

However, asking a girl "how much?" on the Skytrain is sign that someone has lost their grip on reality and REAL "normal" social mores. They've moved a few notches down on the sociopathy scale from "asshole" to "motherfucking asshole".  

If you're doing shit like that, you've now become the "creepy guy" on the train who makes girls whisper to their friends, "why is that weirdo staring at me like that?"

At that point you've pretty much lost the ability to have normal human relationship and daily interactions with other people gets boiled down into a "price list" in your head.  That's pretty much the definition of sociopathy, and probably a good sign that you need to take a break from Disneyland and get a refresher course in reality.

So if you can't tell the difference between a P4P girl and a non-working girl, well, I'm not sure if I pity you or agree with you.  I guess that would depend on how big of an asshole I am at the moment.  But I do know that normal people don't compare the "cost" of a date to the amount a girl "puts out" at the end of it.

If you really and truly can't tell the difference, it's time to take a break and learn how to be a real human being again.  Whoremongering is all fine and good when it's a hobby, but it becomes rather sad (or creepy) when it becomes the full-time way you define your reality.  There IS a difference, and if you can't see it, that says more about you than anything else.

[azza33]

(baroncarlton @ Apr. 07 2009,22:14)

(Stogie @ Mar. 23 2009,05:11) I've only ever used a short time room once in my life. It was so stressful I couldn't even get it up!

Interesting. You may or may not remember but a few months back i bumped into you at the carpark outside Guess.
To cut a long story short, that evening i barfined Beer and made my one and only visit to a short time room. A soft experience ensued.

Now here is a guaranteed soft-on story!!

I read a story of how they used to tape the sex sessions in the short time rooms of some places in BKK. The ST cams were operated by the Thai mafia and the porn sent back to the good old US of A.

So Doug - you recommend ST rooms every time..
I get your point but wholly cow... no way i wanna be an unsuspecting star.

For those interested - and it will make you want to cry.. read the story of 'The blackmailed beauty' in Confessions of a Bangkok private eye. (Page 139)

http://books.google.com.au/books?i....ate+eye

[deepthroat]

fantastic post. You'll get slagged six weeks to sunday by others but I for one love the honesty and truth of it.

Bravo.

[guydesavoy]

(doug @ Apr. 13 2009,12:11)

No difference.

This is a classic example of a statement by someone who's lost the ability to distinguish between reality and Disneyland.

I think sev7en was simply stating that we shouldn't treat p4p LBs any differently to the others.

Some interesting points as usual though Doug.

I'll never look at another girl on the Skytrain again!

But what do I do when they look at me ??  

[doug]

(guydesavoy @ Apr. 13 2009,12:53) I think sev7en was simply stating that we shouldn't treat p4p LBs any differently to the others.

Yes, I was pointing out (in a rather long-winded way) that he's wrong to think that.

They are totally different situations, totally different types of people, and therefore your actions should be totally different.

My motto when it comes to P4P ladyboys is "strictly business, nothing personal".

At the same time, I have several good friends who are ladyboys. I treat them the same as any other friend, and they actually have no idea at all that I'm into ladyboys (because publicly, my girlfriend and I have a monogamous relationship).

There is no comparison between the two, they are completely different.

[doug]

(azza33 @ Apr. 13 2009,12:33) I read a story of how they used to tape the sex sessions in the short time rooms of some places in BKK. The ST cams were operated by the Thai mafia and the porn sent back to the good old US of A.  

So Doug - you recommend ST rooms every time..  
I get your point but wholly cow... no way i wanna be an unsuspecting star.

For those interested - and it will make you want to cry.. read the story of 'The blackmailed beauty' in Confessions of a Bangkok private eye. (Page 139)

The day I look to one of those trashy "true story" pulp novels about Thailand for facts is the day after I get a lobotomy to remove all my common sense.

I despise those books with a passion bordering on pure hatred. They are nothing but poorly-written barstool BULLSHIT presented as "true accounts" of REAL life in Thailand.

As a rule they are written by people with 5th grade English skills, editted by people with 6th grade English skills and read by bored travellers because there's nothing else about Thailand to buy in the airport.

We've all heard barstool stories and boosts that all start with: "I knew a guy once who..." 90% of them are urban myths that have been embellished beyond all credibility. And then what these assholes do is take those barstool tales, misrepresent them as first-hand accounts, and slap them together in some poorly-stitched documentary-style account of "their" life in Thailand.

If I could hate these guys to death, they'd all be bleeding their brains through their noses by now.

If that story about "mafia cams in short-time rooms" was even remotely true, then why haven't you seen my fat ass in a porno yet? I've used short-time rooms for DECADES and never once got a whiff of that kind of trouble.

Everything you read about Thailand (including what I write) is almost certainly going to contain a degree of bullshit. I like to keep my ratio hovering around 50%, just to add some flavor to my rantings, but I have nothing but contempt for these so-called "authors" who present garbage that is 99% BULLSHIT as if it was the god's-honest truth, verbatum.