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I'm not the guy to post any real information, but I thought it would be GREAT to have this as a topic for all of us NOOBS to use as reference material. It would be great to have the informed BM's like JimSlim, Mardhi, Snick, Billy, NHScotsman, Stogie of course, Jadeite, etc, share with us NOOBS the secrets of how to treat ladyboys. There are cultural differences from what I've told that most of us western mongerer's won't have a clue about and rather than having to learn the hard way about how to successfully butterfly, how to successfully negotiate up front, how to have fun without causing the girls to lose face (which WILL impact our ability to have more fun!) - how to navigate these waters without falling prey to being overly manipulated or taken advantage of ourselves. Here's a few nuggets that were shared by Pacman on another thread. Pac, I hope you're ok with me turning this into the "newbie advice" thread I asked you about and using your comments (a bit out of context). It was these suggestions that got me thinking about the value of a "pinned" thread dealing with this subject:
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"Remember she's young & loves to have fun. She loves being out every night, she loves to dance & do crazy stuff. Don't assume she only goes ST, many girls are happy to be taken LT, even the stars get weary of the hunt. All you have to do is treat her with respect, the older, less hansum you are can be compensated with a few baht.
I don't mean lavish a fortune on her, it only gives the girls the message that you have plenty to waste & increases their demands. Plus they won't think any more of you, you just finish up being the guy with the reputation for blowing money. It's hard for someone in your position to know what is reasonable, I still have to draw the line when I consider they are trying it on.... is a sweet girl at heart but has now been through the mill... she has dealt with so many "big liar man" & arseholes & everything in between, she will have you sussed out in no time.
For her, it is not ALL about the money.... she really goes off with the right guy but if you are the "wrong guy", she will take care of business....
More advice I can't give, I don't know how you will present yourself in Walking Street, guys who think the dolls are just hookers & it is all about the baht really don't get the mindset of some of them. (God, I'm inviting criticism there!!)
They may sell their bodies, they work as prostitutes most days but in their mind, they want, no, they NEED to believe there is something more.
Call it romance, call it what you like, but they are simple girls at heart who appreciate a bit of respect almost as much as a thick wallet. A little understanding of Thai culture will help.
I would never claim to have the definitive answer on how to treat a ladyboy. Others have spent far more time with them, what I do offer is some life experience, relying on my wits to earn a living all my working life tends to sharpen one's people skills.
Even though Thai Transexuals are possibly at the furtherest end of the human spectrum I am likely to encounter, never lose sight of the fact they are just young, unsophisticated girls doing the best they can. With that thought in mind, it becomes easier to navigate your way through the challenges a holiday in LOS can present you with.
Everytime you reject a request, you lose a little ground, everytime you accede, your popularity improves. Nothing too sophisticated about it, but... expect them to explore the limits of your generosity, saying no, being firm with them isn't necessarily a negative. They might expect meals paid for, agreeing to new clothes or phones everytime they ask doesn't make you stronger in their eyes.
And this is not a one-size-fits-all suggestion, it depends on the girl, yourself & how she sees you, & every nuance in between.
I was a little concerned... I don't want to think of you arriving at (any bar) for a 'first date' as this is primarily a business transaction, you just want to make your offering as agreeable as possible. Young roosters who get chased every night may smile at the very idea.
There has never been a truer word said when it comes to describing the mentality of the P4P scene & Thais in general -
MONEY NUMBER ONE !!
Those of us not as blessed as our younger counterparts can always do well with the best that Thailand can offer, we just have to use our life experience, understand things from their perspective & when all else fails....
reach for the wallet with a big grin & let them see you have a jai-dee & are definitely not a cheap charlie.
If some don't like it, fuck'em...
who's holiday is it, anyway? You are there for a good time, not a long time. "
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Thanks PacMan, great start to this thread. Hopefully you others will chime in with useful info as well.
Deepthroat
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"Remember she's young & loves to have fun. She loves being out every night, she loves to dance & do crazy stuff. Don't assume she only goes ST, many girls are happy to be taken LT, even the stars get weary of the hunt. All you have to do is treat her with respect, the older, less hansum you are can be compensated with a few baht.
I don't mean lavish a fortune on her, it only gives the girls the message that you have plenty to waste & increases their demands. Plus they won't think any more of you, you just finish up being the guy with the reputation for blowing money. It's hard for someone in your position to know what is reasonable, I still have to draw the line when I consider they are trying it on.... is a sweet girl at heart but has now been through the mill... she has dealt with so many "big liar man" & arseholes & everything in between, she will have you sussed out in no time.
For her, it is not ALL about the money.... she really goes off with the right guy but if you are the "wrong guy", she will take care of business....
More advice I can't give, I don't know how you will present yourself in Walking Street, guys who think the dolls are just hookers & it is all about the baht really don't get the mindset of some of them. (God, I'm inviting criticism there!!)
They may sell their bodies, they work as prostitutes most days but in their mind, they want, no, they NEED to believe there is something more.
Call it romance, call it what you like, but they are simple girls at heart who appreciate a bit of respect almost as much as a thick wallet. A little understanding of Thai culture will help.
I would never claim to have the definitive answer on how to treat a ladyboy. Others have spent far more time with them, what I do offer is some life experience, relying on my wits to earn a living all my working life tends to sharpen one's people skills.
Even though Thai Transexuals are possibly at the furtherest end of the human spectrum I am likely to encounter, never lose sight of the fact they are just young, unsophisticated girls doing the best they can. With that thought in mind, it becomes easier to navigate your way through the challenges a holiday in LOS can present you with.
Everytime you reject a request, you lose a little ground, everytime you accede, your popularity improves. Nothing too sophisticated about it, but... expect them to explore the limits of your generosity, saying no, being firm with them isn't necessarily a negative. They might expect meals paid for, agreeing to new clothes or phones everytime they ask doesn't make you stronger in their eyes.
And this is not a one-size-fits-all suggestion, it depends on the girl, yourself & how she sees you, & every nuance in between.
I was a little concerned... I don't want to think of you arriving at (any bar) for a 'first date' as this is primarily a business transaction, you just want to make your offering as agreeable as possible. Young roosters who get chased every night may smile at the very idea.
There has never been a truer word said when it comes to describing the mentality of the P4P scene & Thais in general -
MONEY NUMBER ONE !!
Those of us not as blessed as our younger counterparts can always do well with the best that Thailand can offer, we just have to use our life experience, understand things from their perspective & when all else fails....
reach for the wallet with a big grin & let them see you have a jai-dee & are definitely not a cheap charlie.
If some don't like it, fuck'em...
who's holiday is it, anyway? You are there for a good time, not a long time. "
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Thanks PacMan, great start to this thread. Hopefully you others will chime in with useful info as well.
Deepthroat
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