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  • #46
    No DNA match, no JonBenet charges


    BOULDER, Colorado (CNN) -- Prosecutors abandoned their case against schoolteacher John Mark Karr on Monday, saying that DNA tests failed to link Karr to the slaying of child beauty contestant JonBenet Ramsey.

    Karr was briefly freed from jail but was quickly returned to await extradition to California, where he is wanted on five misdemeanor child pornography counts, Boulder County Sheriff Joseph Pelle said. Karr's extradition hearing is set for Tuesday afternoon.

    District Attorney Mary Lacy revealed how the case against Karr was built -- and unraveled -- in a five-page motion asking a judge to drop the arrest warrant that brought Karr from Bangkok, Thailand. (Read the documents -- viewer discretion advised.)

    DNA tests completed Saturday confirmed that Karr "was not the source of the DNA found on the underwear of JonBenet Ramsey" -- disproving his claim that he was sexually involved with the child and killed her by accident.

    Karr's family also provided "strong circumstantial" evidence he was with them in Georgia at the time of the crime, court papers stated.

    The prosecutor's motion said "no evidence has developed, other than his own repeated admissions, to place Mr. Karr at the scene of the crime." (Watch the case against Karr fall apart -- 1:17)

    Karr's Colorado public defender, Seth Temin, first disclosed that no charges would be filed and that a hearing scheduled for late Monday afternoon had been canceled.
    Defender 'distressed'

    "We're deeply distressed by the fact they took this man, dragged him back here from Bangkok, Thailand, with no forensic evidence confirming the allegations against him and no independent factors leading to a presumption that he did anything wrong," Temin said.

    Prosecutors said in Monday's motion that "there was a great risk that [Karr] might disappear if he became aware that people from his past were being interviewed about his admissions."

    "Until Mr. Karr was identified, there was no way to try to confirm or disprove his admissions," they said.

    Prosecutors said they also feared Karr could be a danger because he had expressed "sexual interest in specific young girls" at a Thai school where he had taken a job as a teacher.

    According to Lacy's court papers, University of Colorado journalism professor Michael Tracey brought Karr to the attention of investigators in April.

    Using the pseudonyms "D" and later, "Daxis," Karr began communicating in 2002 with the professor, who has produced documentaries on the 10-year Ramsey investigation.

    At first, court papers say, "Daxis" claimed to know two people who participated in the crime, but later insisted he was personally responsible.

    His story emerged slowly, through e-mails, a manuscript and nearly a dozen phone calls. Still, the writer continued to keep his true identity and whereabouts secret from Tracey, the court papers stated.

    He claimed to be sexually involved with the child, including "temporarily asphyxiating her," the court papers said.
    'Lost track of time'

    And, he said he "had 'accidentally' killed her by becoming so sexually involved that he lost track of time so that the asphyxiation lasted longer than he intended, causing her severe injury and leading him to inflict a severe blow to her head," the document stated.

    Autopsy results showed JonBenet had suffered a blow to the head and been strangled with a garrote tightened with a paintbrush handle.

    Tracey reached out to authorities in April when his contact became increasingly interested in contacting Patsy Ramsey, JonBenet's mother, who was in the final weeks of her life. Patsy Ramsey died of ovarian cancer in June. The contact also related that he was in continuing contact with young girls, the court papers stated.

    At one point, in an effort to locate Karr, investigators got Tracey to persuade him to call JonBenet's parents. "Law enforcement agencies cooperated in an unsuccessful effort to trace that call," prosecutors said Monday in their motion. The date of the call was not disclosed.

    Authorities were eventually able to trace phone calls to Tracey from "Daxis" to Karr in Thailand, court papers said.

    In a court filing last week, Boulder prosecutors said they had known Karr's identity for just five days before he was arrested and that the investigation into his possible role in the case was in its preliminary phase.

    After his arrest, Karr told reporters in Thailand he was with JonBenet the night she died, and that her death was an accident. The 6-year-old's beaten and strangled body was found December 26, 1996, in the basement of her family's Boulder home.

    Karr's arrest, nearly 10 years after the grisly crime that grew into an international media sensation, had given the Ramsey family hope that the slaying had, at long last, been solved.

    "It's another bump in the road for us emotionally, but I think we saw Lady Justice put her gavel down today," Pam Paugh, Patsy Ramsey's sister, told CNN. "I don't think that this story is over yet, and I think, again, patience is the prudent thing to desire at this point."
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    • #47
      this has become a very baffling case for me...i have been following this on TV and on the Net and many questions come to mind...

      IS John Mark Karr at lust for publicity that he had to wade both hands into a 10 year old murder case of which this report indicate he MAY HAVE NO INVOLVEMENT of?

      or is he plain guilty of the murder of the beauty pageant talent JonBenet Ramsey?

      Does he have transgender dysphoria?

      there were allegations and reports that he did visit "Pratunam Polyclinic" in Bangkok, which is a famous plastic surgery clinic where many Thai LBs visit for bargain prices on breast implants ($1,125) and a hell of a lot of other cosmetic surgeries including SRS, to examine possibilities of him getting Sexual Reassignment Surgery...if my facts are not wrong...

      does Karr want to be a ladyboy? huh!! pretty unfair he doesn't go through the hazards of being a preop ladyboy and taking hormones and wants to take the EASY ROAD to becoming a full-fledged woman immediately!!!!! hehehehe

      ohhhh sometimes fact is indeed stranger than fiction!!!!
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      • #48
        Certainly a sick and twisted individual to admit to doing something like if he didn't. It makes you think there is more to the story.
        I don't get it, is this a magic show?

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        • #49


          Lisa he is sick wacko and I felt all along that he had nothing to do with it. The Boulder Police Dept and DA's office are all screwed up. He will do some time here in Calif. if some crazy convict does not kill him first.
          Sad, sad sicko!

          incher

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          • #50
            It really scares me that he will soon be back on the streets and to think that one day I might pick up a beautiful ladyboy in Obsessions or Cascades, take her back to my room and fuck her crazy, then when we are laying there holding each other and whispering sweet nothings to one another, I find that I have just shagged John Karr. They need to find some way to put that sicko away for life.

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            • #51
              TY for the Dow Avatar but I cant find it on the list...

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              • #52
                ...HIS (jmk) NEXT FLIGHT SHOULD BE TO BAGHDAD, JUST DROP HIM OFF DOWNTOWN!  

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                • #53
                  apparently the guy wants to free himself from charges he incurred in Thailand thats why he sensationalized himself by taking part in a 10-year old case of which he may never had a part of in the first place...

                  he got himself a free trip to the United States on business-class and with all the amenities available for a first-class traveller got his bum to the States....what a freak!!!
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                  • #54
                    Um, ya.... the guy is a little freaky I would say

                    and as usual gives normal tourists to Thailand a bad name

                    nice new avatar Salma, pretty cool-looking!

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                    • #55
                      love your my space lisa, very cool & funny,

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                      • #56
                        (liisawinkler @ Aug. 29 2006,15:20) this has become a very baffling case for me...i have been following this on TV and on the Net and many questions come to mind...

                        IS John Mark Karr at lust for publicity that he had to wade both hands into a 10 year old murder case of which this report indicate he MAY HAVE NO INVOLVEMENT of?

                        or is he plain guilty of the murder of the beauty pageant talent JonBenet Ramsey?

                        Does he have transgender dysphoria?

                        there were allegations and reports that he did visit "Pratunam Polyclinic" in Bangkok, which is a famous plastic surgery clinic where many Thai LBs visit for bargain prices on breast implants ($1,125) and a hell of a lot of other cosmetic surgeries including SRS, to examine possibilities of him getting Sexual Reassignment Surgery...if my facts are not wrong...

                        does Karr want to be a ladyboy? huh!! pretty unfair he doesn't go through the hazards of being a preop ladyboy and taking hormones and wants to take the EASY ROAD to becoming a full-fledged woman immediately!!!!!  hehehehe

                        ohhhh sometimes fact is indeed stranger than fiction!!!!
                        If you've been following this you'd know he has followed the case since the beginning,was also obsessed w/the Polly Klass case where he had a penpal relationship w/her killer.Also over the years has written letters&emails to Ramsey family members!Its known he was in a different state that nite.They interviewed a Thai dr.who said he had inquired about sex chane surgery!The guy is a pedophile&complete nutcase&is just where he belongs:IN JAIL!!!

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                        • #57
                          sawahdee ka...

                          sorry for not following my thread i miss you all


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                          • #58
                            ..jeeze.... another flat chested beerbellied billybong

                            (or whatever it is "mr. personality" calls Pi babes)

                            Will you marry me???
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                            • #59
                              can u marry me if it all ends in divorce?

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                              • #60
                                i don't want to comment on people's tastes and opinions anymore...some like balloon chests, others like flat chests...others love inflated chests...

                                Live and let live!!!!

                                randyman if you have a house and lot ready i guess you can start applying for a marriage license teheeeeeee
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