Hormone Therapy

[Guest]

(rxpharm @ Jan. 10 2007,04:54) Candyman - you are quite knowledgeable about this - are you a medical professional?

Hello RXpharm

If I remember correctly I know you from/on another forum.

Well, I have many professions:
- Pharmacologist
- Porn Actor
- Marketing analyst
- ...

Just get bored doing 1 thing only. Let you guess what job is more fun!

[Khuntibi]

Interesting tread here. even I dont understand all this medicinal therms.

My LB wife is since 15 years on Diane 35. She says in the beginig she take 4-5 daily. Later go down till 2 daily. At the moment she vary 1-2 a day. She make also sometimes a hormone break.

First she was shocket that Dianne 35 cost here in Swiss three times more than Thailand and need a receipt from a doctor. She can manage some pharmacies and get it also without a receipt.

Next week we flying again to Thailand. I think she will buy there a big year pack from Diane35.

I ask also if she want make a check here her hormone level with a doctor or try something new. She denied she think Diane is best for her body and the side efects are after 15 year use minimal.

Khuntibi

[Guest]

A new twist here.

A post-op friend of mine said after becoming post-op her emotions went a bit wild, up and down. It is now 2 months since then and she says its better now but not over. It is not because of drugs because she has been on the 'mones since 10 years old.

My guess is that it is because of the rapid drop in testosterone, however, I am asking to be sure, and also, that wouldn't explain why it gets better with time.

Any ideas?

Also, nobody picked up on why westerners are recommended anti-androgens, other than possibly just because they tend to be older and really want to kill that testosterone. Any other ideas there? Also, can you not achieve near the same effect of increasing estrogen intake as taking anti-androgens? Or are the results different?

[rxpharm]

(ziggystardust @ Jan. 14 2007,16:00) A new twist here.

A post-op friend of mine said after becoming post-op her emotions went a bit wild, up and down. It is now 2 months since then and she says its better now but not over. It is not because of drugs because she has been on the 'mones since 10 years old.

My guess is that it is because of the rapid drop in testosterone, however, I am asking to be sure, and also, that wouldn't explain why it gets better with time.

Any ideas?

Also, nobody picked up on why westerners are recommended anti-androgens, other than possibly just because they tend to be older and really want to kill that testosterone. Any other ideas there? Also, can you not achieve near the same effect of increasing estrogen intake as taking anti-androgens? Or are the results different?

Ziggy, a couple of question that might give some clues about what happened with your friend. First, did she reduce her hormone dose postop? It is important that this is done - since the testosterone production is greatly reduced, the estrogen now acts unopposed. If she did not she would have experienced the full surge effect of estrogen - quite similar to the varying levels of estrogen that happen during the menstrual cycle for ggs. No suprise that her emotions would be affected.

Usually after SRS, the hormone dosage can be reduced by roughly 50%, down to the levels that a gg would take for hormone replacement therapy.

As for why antiandrogens are so often prescribed in the west - I think it is a combination of economics, it is more ts can afford it, possibly doctors wanting to CYA in case of malpractice suits and possibly safety. Use of antiandrogens can allow estrogens to achieve feminization at lower doses. This will reduce the possibility of complications due to high dosage estrogen, blood clots, liver damage, etc.

You are right higher dose estrogen will achieve the same feminization results as combining antiandrogens with a lower dose, but the side effect risk is increased.

[Guest]

But rx, I believe anti-androgens have worse side effects if I'm not misstaken.

[rxpharm]

Some of the adverse effects of antiandrogens may be more serious than estrogens/progesterone, but typically these are dose related. The doses recommended for ts/tg feminization fall into the normal dosages recommended for testicular cancer treatment. So the adverse effect risk is very low.

However, high dose estrogen is required for tg/ts feminization and the adverse effects risk become much higher. This is probably part of the reason why antiandrogens are more commonly used in the west - also as mentioned before, cost is a factor. Western ts/tgs may be able to afford it as compared to those in Asia.

[mirimark]

So what are you  " Really trying to say "   Ziggy ?

That your a man trapped in a Womens body and you need help expressing the Real You ?    
Wana barrow my High Heels ?

 Love Ya' bro,  just Fucking with you man.
Interesting Topic by the way.  Its a good read.

[Guest]

this has gone really long and a lot of info.. but basically... three hormones are needed for optimum HRT for MTF transsexuals... antiandrogen to kill the male hormones... estrogen to increase the level of female hormones... and progesterone is needed for the body to make use of the estrogen...

there's a group in yahoo... crone.... that deals with HRT more in depth... you can read on the archives (but you have to be a member first) explains all the misconceptions and if anyone of you wants to learn more or know anyone who's having a problem with HRT you can ask the members.

[Guest]

Sorry, but you're reading too many American web-sites and books. It is not so clear cut, and many 'experts' completely disagree with each other.

I can only state as evidence the location where the most beautiful LBs in the world live, i.e., Thailand, where the vast majority do not take progesterones or anti-androgens, and none do blood tests for balancing.

I can see no better evidence of what is "right" than what beautiful LBs do, and it is unlikely any post on Yahoo, or their doctors, so I wouldn't see that as the right source of the perfect answers.

[Guest]

(francis @ Aug. 13 2006,17:54) I was started on estrogen as tablets at first but then put on implants about 5 years ago and since then my balls are really hard to find , my prostate is like a young boy meaning sex only produces water and my dick just sticks out from what little hair there is . my boobs are easy a 'B' size . the regular progesterone works wonders on my nips . i have only a tiny amount of testerone now and that is not produced by my nuts i'm told.i'm very tranquil and my woman is happy and so are the customers

Do you have any titty pictures?

[moe666]

This is a good thread lots of good info. Iwould add that progestrone is important to take, it acts as a estrogen balancer. There are 2 forms of estrogen ( I cannot remember the actual names of each) one forms does all of the good things a woman wants to happen, the negative form will cause cancer and heart diease. Progestrone acts as a balancing agent to help prevent the negative estrogen from forming.
Also I believe it is testostrone that converts to estrogen. As men age you will see older men with feminization, rounded shoulders, enlarged breast, prostate cancer( caused by excess estrogen) and a reduced testostrone level.
Getting old is hell!!!!!!!!!

[Guest]

Estradiol and estrone.

BTW, I made an incorrect statement in another post.

Thai doctors recommend estrogen and a small dose of progesterone. The progesterone was stated (by them) as being primarily for libido, i.e., so they can stay horny and hard (vs feminizing).

[Guest]

i use:

diethylstilbestrol 4mg/day
medroxyprogesterone acetate 8mg/day

is it ok?

[jimslim]

Seems fine , but do try to avoid the midday sun and wear a hat

[rxpharm]

An interesting video about black market hormone use in Canadian TS

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