Old Bugger-ers

[Guest]

What is curious to me is that most of us cannot explain ourselves, me included.

I cannot explain how or why my taste suddenly changed.

It is easy to say we're all individuals and there is no answer, blah, blah, but it is bizarre that every time I've asked someone this question, they really couldn't answer it --- for themselves.

What this brings up too is the obvious --- will our tastes change again later in life?

[daveduke007]

When Im in the UK, my attractions are purely for GG's ONLY

I have never seen an attractive ladyboy yet in Manchester except for the "Ladyboys of Bangkok" show they have here every year

I'm not interested in the "Gay Village" or the crossdressers

My mood changes in    as I find the REAL ladyboys there are more "fun" to be with and the "sex" is far better than the GG's

[Torurot]

Younger people tend to run with the herd/group. Where is the line/age where running with the herd is no longer seen as a necessity for survival/acceptance?

[Guest]

this is true . in my experience many people traveling to los for the 1st time happen to be in their mid-late twenties . lots of these people also travel alone - meeting and talking to all sorts of people they wouldn't normally converse with . In turn this broadens ones mind to a lot of things.

i believe this is were many guys may have there 1st lb encounter. In my case it was the crying game all over again . after a bottle of thai whiskey at some beach party i
got a lift home from what i thought was a gorgeous girl. She was wearing one of those all in one black tight dresses. Riding on the back of her bike , i rested my hands on her smooth hips, all the while thinking i can't believe my luck- what a result. back in my apartment i got a bj off her, but she wouldn't let me feel her boobs.after numerous attempts i thought this was strange -and i told her, i know what you are. On hearing this she stood up -pulled toilet
paper from her bra and stripped off. i was in complete shock, because i still didn't really believe she was an lb. the next morning i woke up with a screaming hangover and depressed about what i had just done, but at the same time really turned on .

prior to that experience i had never in my wildest fantasies ever contemplated being with an lb; and i'm not sure if i traveled with my mates that the same situation would have happened.

[stogie bear]

(ziggystardust @ Jun. 03 2007,03:28) I cannot explain how or why my taste suddenly changed...

Maybe it's simple... The first time I tried something for the first time and liked it I simply wanted more. This follows whether it is ladyboys or lobster bisque!

At a younger age my palate wasn't ready for bisque so ministrone was always my soup de jour... as I changed so did my tastes but only by trying the bisque did I realise what I was missing.

Now instead of ministrone I almost always get the bisque!

By the way "The Ziggy Zone" is the funniest thing I've heard of for a while, although the post itself was rude and thankfully ignored by it's target.

[liisawinkler]

(moe666 @ May 31 2007,15:34) I don't need to anal-lize it. First sexual experience was with a school chum, about 13 or 14. Man talk about creating alot of shit in ones head. Went from that to fucking a lot of ladies in asia while in the Navy but was always drawn to the gay side as well. Eventually married couple of kids, and the ocasional gay lover or transvestite.
 After divorce and a couple of girlfriends back to asia and back to home. I have been in the p4p sceen off and on for over 40 years and in the course of that time have come to understand myself quite well. I like sex and will enjoy it no matter what is tossed at me.
 I have a nice Thai girl friend it could have been a ladyboy but the one I have   came along first. But when a ladyboy comes along I will not be turning her down unless it's face down.
 When I fuck a ladyboy in the ass or she fucks me, no I am not thinking am I gay or straight Iam just thinking how sweet it is.
  I guess there is a different story and a different reason for every poster on this forum.



lets fill all the orficis.

i am very fascinated with the profile of the TRANS-LOVER...it seems there is really no profile at all...of course i have been with a lot of guys but...i have never really dug deep into why men LOVE trans...cause it will really just confuse me more and more...well the beauty and aura and charm part of the tgirls are understandably one we share with the GGs but ....the actions that constitute the sexual act with Tgirls (with many of the "tgirl lovers") really fascinates me...

PLUS there is another breed of men who love TRANS and also love MEN and THEY ALSO FASCINATE ME!!! (particularly because i have a close friend who is also of this breed) ....now is there even an end in sight for the variety of permutations of men's sexual preferences?

[moe666]

What makes people tick, up for one bloke is down for another. One thing I have noticed is that young people are not that open minded. Having conversations with friends of my son over the years about an assortment of subjects the narrow outlook and opinion about many things; religion, politics, travel, and never mind talk about ladyboys.

I think as we age many of us have tried things we never would have as a young man.

[Road Runner]

I can only work on a narrow sample and most of them taken from Asian cultures.
All the cases I know find the prospect of gay sex almost abhorent  -  myself included.
I am attracted to ladyboys  -  I like to suck a ladyboy's cock and lick her pussy  -  but the though of any intimate contact with a man makes me want to  

The Thai ladyboys I have met and talked to have all described themselves as gay.
But when I have questioned them further  -  none of them would even think of having sex with girl or even another ladyboy.
They have all been strictly attracted to men only. None of them have been able to justify their own 'gay' label to me.


I'm not sure I have any answer for Ziggy's question  

One thing I do know is that when I was 10 years old I had a truely wonderful schoolteacher who used to teach us all sorts of things outside the syllabus.
One thing I learned from him was that over the years from 9 - 16 my perception of my own sexuality would change greatly.
Fortunately for a 10 year old he put it much more simply than that.

That is one lesson I will never forget.  Interpolating from that I suspect that as we progress through life that our sexuality continues to change.

RR.

[SPIRIT CRUSHER]

Well i remember this topic coming up quite sometime ago now and i made a comment then and will now. I guess im what would be considered an exception to the rule here. Still being only 23.

My first forays into this world started in my late teen years, pretty much all from stumbling on the wrong porn sites online (well wrong at the time) And then at some point i came across this site and i think around that time seen my first ts escort, and have only ever been with ts escorts. As genetic girls are not exactly hard to come by for a male in there early twenties.

But coming across this site i guess i got the idea thailand was the place to go, and so started research on the place and was fortunate enough to chat to a fellow admirier who was going the same time i was and showed me the ropes of the scene that is.

I think a few members have already hit the nail on the head about younger people being caught up in lives that have already being mapped out for them and ive been able to relate to that and still do... as i guess the idea is still with me that i will meet the right girl to settle down with be it GG or ladyboy and we will live happily ever after just like in the movies but it seems maybe i haven't had my heart broken enough times yet or refuse to be bitter about it when i do.

At the end of the day i can't really answer the question why it seems to be more an older men thing only... i guess people are right that the older you get the more you open your mind to new ideas which i think is true... i guess i was just fortunate enough to be given alot of ideas to think about at an earlier age then most.

[Guest]

Thanks for that. Excellent feedback.

[stogie bear]

So long as we all get a mention in the forward!

[Guest]

Interesting thread...had to add my comment. I guess my first time with a TS was the Crying Game experience. Met a Chinese gal, who used to visit my apartment, we met in a bar and after work she visited my place and loved to suck my dick. Never tried to fuck, just suck/swallow cum--I was a young dude and didn't figure it out for a while. Got old after a while then finally discovered Mr Wiggly down below...it was cool and since I've loved it.

Never liked gay sex between men or tried it....but always loved the third gender. Always...always...always!!!.... I love to to fuck Thai/Phil pussy but love the LBs on the side. Nothing like getting fucked in the ass and jerked/cum at the same time, awesome!!! Weird shit, but it fucking rocks!!!

EAZY AND SLEAZY! PATTAYALOVER

[lbcrazy]

I'm in my mid-thirties and spent the first 25 of those completely interested in GGs (I was also totally unaware of shemales/ladyboys). However I was always more interested in the slightly 'exotic' girls - I always had an eye for the chinese or indian girls at school+uni+work.
I think my first interest in ladyboys happened around 10 years ago after several trips to amsterdam (primarily for smoking) where I stumbled across tranny hardcore porn and following that I developed a voracious appetite for porn on the web which extended to shemale and then more specifically asian ladyboy porn as it became more available.
In fact my first trip to thailand nearly 10 years ago was purely to satisfy my ladyboy fantasies. I had a detailed plan of action lined up with names of clubs I intended to visit casanova/kc3/limmatquai in those days. Then ironically it was my very first night walking through patpong night market towards kc3 that I was arrested by a very pretty hello girl whose attention I couldn't ignore....well that was nearly 10 years ago and I'm still married to her!
These days I satisfy my fantasies every few months in bangkok with ladyboys but I still have an eye for the pretty GGs. I'm definitely still into hot lookin asian GGs and could never consider a LB girlfriend and feel sick at the thought of sex with a guy. But I guess time will only tell, maybe in 10yrs things will be different......

[Naang Faa]

Hi,
A mid life crisis is when the toupee's,the sports car and the hanging around
trendy bars trying to fool yourself in to thinking you still have it "going on"comes
into play..
Here,i think,is nothing more than a new lease of life.
Hopefully when you've reached middle age,you have achieved your aims
you set out for yourself when you were young,the wife,maybe children,work
and the home ect..
Women stop being a mystery long ago (ie you will NEVER understand them)
they stop being a challenge.
You have traveled,seen many wonderful things,broadened your
horizons..When most of your peers are building model railways in
their attics just to get away from the nagging wife,you guys are out there
having the time of your lives,trying new challenges..
Personally i wouldn't class you guys as gay-just kinky adventurers.
This ongoing battle between the hunter and the hunted fought
behind the closed doors of Bangkok and Pattaya is not for faint
hearted.....but it is a good laugh,if you play by the rules!
You are correct about younger guys,not having the confidence to stand
out from the crowd-before i gave in to my "ism" i'd have give anything
just to be normal..I don't think money is that much of an issue-friends
of mine spend a small fortune just going to Ibiza-£30 to go into a trendy
club,£5 for a bottle of water,E's screwing some ginger haired minger from
Halifax convinced that they are "living it up"...it cost more than my trips
to Thailand.They also say if i changed my sex 10 yrs ago maybe they couldn't
understand or accept my decision,so maturity does change peoples thinking..
Thinking back to one of Stogies posts,about how to make a ladyboy feel comfortable
and at ease in your company,this thinking comes only with experience and maturity,
as 75% of the girls in my "family" prefer the gentleman experience way above the
young buck who rips your panties off before you've even shut the door....so don't
dwell on your age guys,you have a huge advantage over youth.
I gave up wondering why i am the way i am long ago,you should do the same,
just do what makes you feel good and enjoy your life..
Naang Faa
x

[TTChang]

(Naang Faa @ Dec. 23 2007,20:36)      Thinking back to one of Stogies posts,about how to make a ladyboy feel comfortable  and at ease in your company,this thinking comes only with experience and maturity,  as 75% of the girls in my "family" prefer the gentleman experience way above the  young buck who rips your panties off before you've even shut the door....so don't dwell on your age guys,you have a huge advantage over youth.
 ....   just do what makes you feel good and enjoy your life..
                                                                                                                                                                              

 Great... thanks for that post Naang Faa!  Delighted to hear confirmation that the 'comfort factor' thread by Stogie stands up to scrutiny  

The TTChangs of this world can also be useful by  introducing 'young flesh' to the other 25% ... (who prefer the panties off NOW routine)