Getting Out Of Thailand Quickly

[PigDogg]

Have to wonder why the guy who killed he bargirl in Phuket just didn't get out of the country? Best bet would be to go to a country that doesn't have an extradition treaty with Thailand.

I would assume if the cops are looking for you then you might be in a database at border crosssings. Wonder if they all use the same computer system, is it easier to flee if crossing overland rather than from an airport?

Lastly if he authorities take your passport can you sneak across the border and report your passport stolen?

I am a clean living type of guy but curious.

Now, I suppose most of you would just be speculating but inquiring minds want to know.

[spare wheel]

If i were the guy who killed the bar girl, i would of been on a bus south or to burma as if doing a visa run then disappearing in their country and making my way as far away from the scene as possible.

But maybe he was on run from his home country that he had just run out of places to run ?

who knows but life wont be so nice in a thai jail for him and for killing one of theres it wont go down to well with his new room mates


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[EyeMahk]

Getting out of the country is not really a problem, most of the border land with Burma, Cambodia and Laos is not secured, and it would not take much skill to find yourself in another country tomorrow.  Now what to do at that point is an issue. Sooner or later, you are going to need to show a passport to do something, and if the passport doesn't have the proper entries and exits, this is an issue.  However, things like this in Laos and Cambodia can be bought for the right price with the right people, so this is not a show-stopper.

The real problem is that he killed someone, and the Thais know him by his real name and they caught him.  Any combination of these three are not good. Thinking way ahead, it would have been best for him to enter Thailand under a different name and passport, therefore they would be looking for the wrong guy.   But when he entered the country, he probably didn't do so with the thought of needing to "be a different person" after he kills a local.

It still ceases to amaze me how many guys do not see that much of what goes in in Thailand involving you is really for the amusement of the locals.  

[Road Runner]

(EyeMahk @ Jul. 19 2010,20:17) Getting out of the country is not really a problem, most of the border land with Burma, Cambodia and Laos is not secured, and it would not take much skill to find yourself in another country tomorrow.

Fully agree on this one  -  from what I have seen of the land border crossings in Thailand Taksin could walk in and out and no-one would stop him!    

(EyeMahk @ Jul. 19 2010,20:17) Now what to do at that point is an issue. Sooner or later, you are going to need to show a passport to do something and if the passport doesn't have the proper entries and exits, this is an issue.  However, things like this in Laos and Cambodia can be bought for the right price with the right people, so this is not a show-stopper.

Again I agree fully  -  but to do anything you need money.
First thing most crooks do is identify their location by using ATM's.  If you are a criminal cash is king.


Next mistake is to use your own mobile phone.  Don't be fooled by Holywood.  The mobile phone companies cannot actually work out that you are sitting on the toilet on the 7th floor.  They can only work out your position between 2 or 3 receiving aerials.  Say about 1 block (1 sq. km.) in a city or about a 5-20 sq. km block out in the country.
The US military can do rather better but I'm not exactly sure by how much.  The number of Al Qaeda people that have received unwelcome airmails is a good clue though.


Lastly transport..............but then I've probably said too much already.      


RR.

[Snick]

Bus to Udon Thani/Nongkai, Pay someone to get you across the Mekong into Laos. Make your way to US Embassy in Vientiane, say you lost your passport. Need a replacement, Fly from Laos to Kuala Lumper, then fly anywhere.

[PigDogg]

Thailand has extradition treaties with 14 countries - the US, UK, Canada, China, Belgium, Philippines, Indonesia, Laos, Cambodia, Malaysia, South Korea, Bangladesh, Fiji, and Australia

Probably even safer to settle in a country that also doesn't have an extradition treaty with your home country.

[Chinaman]

(PigDogg @ Jul. 20 2010,14:08)

Thailand has extradition treaties with 14 countries - the US, UK, Canada, China, Belgium, Philippines, Indonesia, Laos, Cambodia, Malaysia, South Korea, Bangladesh, Fiji, and Australia

Probably even safer to settle in a country that also doesn't have an extradition treaty with your home country.

Vietnam, if one wants to stay in the area.

Actually not that many Thailand has treaties with although some of the big ones are in there.
So, this would mean that the U.S. might turn the guy over should he have checked in at one of their embassies?

[Steff]

I have been reading this thread for past few days and I am curious why we are providing "how to escape Thailand" information to people who have committed (or are capable of committing) heinous crimes like murder. Why would any one want to help these people escape capture and justice? Perhaps I am missing the point of the thread...

[Road Runner]

(Chinaman @ Jul. 20 2010,10:59) So, this would mean that the U.S. might turn the guy over should he have checked in at one of their embassies?

Embassies and their grounds are sovereign territory  -  so a US embassy is the USA.

If he had made it out of  Thailand to a US embassy it's quite simple.
Thailand would have to apply for him to be extradited  -  from the US.
For a murder case provided the proof was accepted by the US then he would be handed over with perhaps one or two conditions.
(ie. As there is no capital punishment in the UK extradition will only be granted on condition that the accused is not executed but only imprisoned.)

If he got to the US embassy inside Thailand it could  get more complicated but essentially it's the same.
It would be possible for the Thais to pinch him from the embassy at risk of an international incident.
This has been done on occassions by some countries but normally only in the case of terrorists.

Probably what would happen is the ambassador would talk to the Thai police and allow them into the embassy.
The ambassador and the police would jointly pressure the accused to surrender themselves to the Thais.

From the USA's point of view would they wish to be seen harbouring a suspected murderer?

RR.

[Road Runner]

(Steff @ Jul. 20 2010,11:14) Perhaps I am missing the point of the thread...

As PD said when he started the thread he was just speculating  -  like many do.

Haven't you speculated about pulling of the perfect robbery after hearing about some spectacular heist?

Then again I've just remembered what PD's previous job was.......

RR.

[PigDogg]

(Steff @ Jul. 20 2010,02:14) Why would any one want to help these people escape capture and justice?

Bumpa, no problemo if you think it is best to delete this thread or move it to the VIP area.

[Chinaman]

Although that guy admitted to having killed the woman, a lot of details are not very clear yet.

The question is whether the accused will have the chance of a fair trial here in Thailand, and I know that one can say - Who cares?

Will he have the chance to be represented by a good lawyer (Didn't O.J. Simpson get away with murder?).

Will all evidence be present, allowed in court, will some have been tampered with?

If serving a lifelong sentence, are there chances that he will get time knocked off his sentence in case of good behavior.

So far, all we know is that he supposedly killed the woman but there are no other indications of violence or criminal behavior in his past.

What role did the victim play in this and what buttons did she push. Did she cross a line there provoking her own fate, perhaps even knowing that such line was there. I am not saying that she deserved to die, absolutely not, but the details need to be considered, otherwise people might just get lynched when presumed guilty.

[Chinaman]

Looking at this from a different angle. If that guy had been a friend or acquaintance of yours, what would you have recommended him to do?

Turn himself in to the Thai police?
Turn himself in to the US embassy?
Flee the country and turn himself in to a US embassy outside of Thailand?

[PigDogg]

Leaving the morality out of it, his best course of action would be to leave the country imediately after diposing of the body and not turn himself in anywhere.

[Chinaman]

Yes, but assuming that he would eventually have been identified as the murderer, this would turn him into a longtime fugitive as I guess Interpol or whatever would have gotten involved?

I think fleeing the country and turning himself in with a US-embassy outside Thailand might have been the right move if we don't want to ignore morality completely.