Comments on above in Sunday Times (UK)
anthony gatsby wrote:
This it has to be remembered is a country under military rule. Abhisit is only a puppet installed by his military masters to give Thailand a modicum of credibility by pretending to be a democracy.
All I see on Thai television these days are people dressed in a military uniform with a shoe size larger than their IQs , telling their audience that law and order have been restored.
Doosn't this obtuse military dictatorship know that they were the cause of the loss of law and order , that for the umpteenth time in Thailands history they have took up arms against the civilian population and killed civilians to keep them in their place and by doing that also retaining omnipotence for themselves.
Everyday the military rules Thailand is a step closer to destruction.The hate is festering and becomes more pathological by the day.
Politics have failed , we will now see a deeply sinister turn in the violence as the hatred manifests itself in different ways.
May 23, 2010 6:46 AM BST
Jeff Wilcox wrote:
David Howden is absolutely right. I predicted this 3 years ago but was cried down by Thais. I recall on one occasion saying to a university graduate that Thaksin was opposed to the monarchy. Her reply was angry say that was nonsense. I then said but Thaksin wants Thailand to be a republic. Her reply was yes. I concluded by saying but their is no monarchy in a republic. The ignorance and lack of thinking here is quite unbelievable.
No the reds will not readily return to their buffalows but they will if ordered to by Thaksin. Whatever the arguments, Thailand may be safer with Thaksin than without him. His brainless followers will at least listen to him and perhaps a dictatorship is what they need as they do not have the slightest inkling of democracy that they think they are fighting for.
May 23, 2010 4:43 AM BST on community.timesonline.co.uk
Jeff Wilcox wrote:
I would say to Mcleod that he should lift his head and see the broader picture.
Politics and peaceful protest is one thing, destroying other peoples lives, businesses and property is another. This mob of anarchistic vandals should be locked away. They have cost thousands of people their jobs.
Few people seem to realise that the UDD and Thaksin have their political arm, the Puea Thai Party who boycotted parliament. They do not want democracy. It is naive to consider they do. The Puea Thai, the UDD and Thaksin did not want the elections that Abhisit offered.
When the core leaders of the red mob met with the government they demanded on thing, dissolution. It is not possible to negotiate when there is one single demand on the table. The anarchists want only one thing, the return of the convicted Thaksin.
Even uneducated people know right from wrong and the actions of this aggressive, fully-armed mob of arsonists know that throwing grenades, shooting people including ambulance workers and burning down property is wrong and counter-productive.
They had representation in parliament by way of the Puea Thai. Not to take this democratic route to solve their grievances is unforgivable and they should all pay the price. Even if they did not have this democratic route, their actions would still have been terrorism, but in these circumstances, with parliamentary representation, they have shown themselves to be thugs, destroying the livelihoods of their own people.
Education, a comprehensive education system, not the current rote system is the long term answer but even Thaksin denied the people that. He like most business people, the old elite and the establishment generally intend to keep the ordinary people submissive, subservient. This is the root of the problem that has festered for 78 years and we are now paying the price.
But this does not excuse what this mob have done.
May 23, 2010 7:42 AM BST
I would say to Mcleod that he should lift his head and see the broader picture.
Politics and peaceful protest is one thing, destroying other peoples lives, businesses and property is another. This mob of anarchistic vandals should be locked away. They have cost thousands of people their jobs.
Few people seem to realise that the UDD and Thaksin have their political arm, the Puea Thai Party who boycotted parliament. They do not want democracy. It is naive to consider they do. The Puea Thai, the UDD and Thaksin did not want the elections that Abhisit offered.
When the core leaders of the red mob met with the government they demanded on thing, dissolution. It is not possible to negotiate when there is one single demand on the table. The anarchists want only one thing, the return of the convicted Thaksin.
Even uneducated people know right from wrong and the actions of this aggressive, fully-armed mob of arsonists know that throwing grenades, shooting people including ambulance workers and burning down property is wrong and counter-productive.
They had representation in parliament by way of the Puea Thai. Not to take this democratic route to solve their grievances is unforgivable and they should all pay the price. Even if they did not have this democratic route, their actions would still have been terrorism, but in these circumstances, with parliamentary representation, they have shown themselves to be thugs, destroying the livelihoods of their own people.
Education, a comprehensive education system, not the current rote system is the long term answer but even Thaksin denied the people that. He like most business people, the old elite and the establishment generally intend to keep the ordinary people submissive, subservient. This is the root of the problem that has festered for 78 years and we are now paying the price.
But this does not excuse what this mob have done.
May 23, 2010 7:42 AM BST
Mark Fuller wrote:
Lets remember that underneath all the modern trappings Thailand is a patronage society and whatever is pasted over the top (democracy,law ect.) this will always shine through.Democracy took hundreds of years to develop fully in the West and while vote buying is a totally natural thing and almost something people feel they are entitled to sell its not going to function. I would like to ask weather some of the weak Western journalists that seemed to have a soft sport for the red shirt cause will still be working in this field or cleaning the offices of their employers now that we know the reds had a large weapons cash and were killing innocent people which was fairly obvious to the people caught up in attacks over the last few weeks.
May 23, 2010 7:09 AM BST
Lets remember that underneath all the modern trappings Thailand is a patronage society and whatever is pasted over the top (democracy,law ect.) this will always shine through.Democracy took hundreds of years to develop fully in the West and while vote buying is a totally natural thing and almost something people feel they are entitled to sell its not going to function. I would like to ask weather some of the weak Western journalists that seemed to have a soft sport for the red shirt cause will still be working in this field or cleaning the offices of their employers now that we know the reds had a large weapons cash and were killing innocent people which was fairly obvious to the people caught up in attacks over the last few weeks.
May 23, 2010 7:09 AM BST
Mister Blobby wrote:
As a foreigner living and working in Bangkok, there is 'inevitability' towards progress.
The saying "Square peg in around hole" seems true for the down trodden.
Just what will happen when the head of the highest institution passes away?
Just what will happen to Thailand?
I fear for that time, as there is no open debate, which surely would prove to the world progress is being embraced.
If the last week was a barometer of simmering tensions and events to come, its going to be a nightmare.
For me, I am annoyingly contemplating: Should I stay, or should I go?
May 23, 2010 7:02 AM BS
As a foreigner living and working in Bangkok, there is 'inevitability' towards progress.
The saying "Square peg in around hole" seems true for the down trodden.
Just what will happen when the head of the highest institution passes away?
Just what will happen to Thailand?
I fear for that time, as there is no open debate, which surely would prove to the world progress is being embraced.
If the last week was a barometer of simmering tensions and events to come, its going to be a nightmare.
For me, I am annoyingly contemplating: Should I stay, or should I go?
May 23, 2010 7:02 AM BS
anthony gatsby wrote:
This it has to be remembered is a country under military rule. Abhisit is only a puppet installed by his military masters to give Thailand a modicum of credibility by pretending to be a democracy.
All I see on Thai television these days are people dressed in a military uniform with a shoe size larger than their IQs , telling their audience that law and order have been restored.
Doosn't this obtuse military dictatorship know that they were the cause of the loss of law and order , that for the umpteenth time in Thailands history they have took up arms against the civilian population and killed civilians to keep them in their place and by doing that also retaining omnipotence for themselves.
Everyday the military rules Thailand is a step closer to destruction.The hate is festering and becomes more pathological by the day.
Politics have failed , we will now see a deeply sinister turn in the violence as the hatred manifests itself in different ways.
May 23, 2010 6:46 AM BST
JOE THAI wrote:
Not richest Thai in the world but among the richest of any nation. A fortune he amassed while in office having got there by paying people to vote for him.
I agree with Jeff W. Thaksin will do anything to return to power and has scarified his own people for his own power lust and greed.
If he really cared about his people and his country he should have done his time and then legally and peacefully and democratically campaigned for his money back from within Thailand and not employed a violent mob to topple the government.
His comments about underground guerrillas sounded like a veiled threat. Scenario : He then calls them off and returns as saviour and President.
He changes his tune to whatever his PR people think is best. Look at his lying cheating record to see what kind of man he is.
May 23, 2010 6:35 AM BST
Not richest Thai in the world but among the richest of any nation. A fortune he amassed while in office having got there by paying people to vote for him.
I agree with Jeff W. Thaksin will do anything to return to power and has scarified his own people for his own power lust and greed.
If he really cared about his people and his country he should have done his time and then legally and peacefully and democratically campaigned for his money back from within Thailand and not employed a violent mob to topple the government.
His comments about underground guerrillas sounded like a veiled threat. Scenario : He then calls them off and returns as saviour and President.
He changes his tune to whatever his PR people think is best. Look at his lying cheating record to see what kind of man he is.
May 23, 2010 6:35 AM BST
Jonathan McLeod wrote:
I bet that what is to come will open the eyes of people like Wilcox, Isan Man and all those others who thought it was a good idea to employ strong-arm tactics and who were spreading their "wisdom and insight" in this column over the last few weeks. What a pity for what was in many ways one of the best places I knew.
May 23, 2010 6:16 AM BST on community.timesonline.co.uk
I bet that what is to come will open the eyes of people like Wilcox, Isan Man and all those others who thought it was a good idea to employ strong-arm tactics and who were spreading their "wisdom and insight" in this column over the last few weeks. What a pity for what was in many ways one of the best places I knew.
May 23, 2010 6:16 AM BST on community.timesonline.co.uk
Jeff Wilcox wrote:
David Howden is absolutely right. I predicted this 3 years ago but was cried down by Thais. I recall on one occasion saying to a university graduate that Thaksin was opposed to the monarchy. Her reply was angry say that was nonsense. I then said but Thaksin wants Thailand to be a republic. Her reply was yes. I concluded by saying but their is no monarchy in a republic. The ignorance and lack of thinking here is quite unbelievable.
No the reds will not readily return to their buffalows but they will if ordered to by Thaksin. Whatever the arguments, Thailand may be safer with Thaksin than without him. His brainless followers will at least listen to him and perhaps a dictatorship is what they need as they do not have the slightest inkling of democracy that they think they are fighting for.
May 23, 2010 4:43 AM BST on community.timesonline.co.uk
Jeff Wilcox wrote:
N, it is not very sad at all. It is all part of the strategy planned by Thaksin. He is determined to pave a a way for his return to power even if it means bring the country to its knees and detroying it as a state. He is a man possessed, a megalomaniac of terrifying proportions. He is forcing the country into a state of mind that will welcome him back as the lesser of two evils; the riots or him.
But this could not happen without the assistance of his misguided supporters who are against the rich people of the country. It illustrates their stupidity that they support Thaksin who is one of the richest Thais in the world. This mass of red shirts really are perhaps the most idiotic people on the planet. Even wild animals do not detroy their own dens, nests or holes,their homes, but Thai people do: they destroy their own country with a vengence, 'masochistically' because someone has told them to do so.
When tourists vist this country and see the smiles in the hotels and gift shops, they are only looking at the front cover of the book. The book has now been opened and the pages have revealed a different story - perhaps the true story, what lies beneath.
Thailand will be deemed a no-go and a no-investment area; it will retreat back towards the jungle from whence it came, its people not worthy of civilisation.
May 23, 2010 4:03 AM BST
N, it is not very sad at all. It is all part of the strategy planned by Thaksin. He is determined to pave a a way for his return to power even if it means bring the country to its knees and detroying it as a state. He is a man possessed, a megalomaniac of terrifying proportions. He is forcing the country into a state of mind that will welcome him back as the lesser of two evils; the riots or him.
But this could not happen without the assistance of his misguided supporters who are against the rich people of the country. It illustrates their stupidity that they support Thaksin who is one of the richest Thais in the world. This mass of red shirts really are perhaps the most idiotic people on the planet. Even wild animals do not detroy their own dens, nests or holes,their homes, but Thai people do: they destroy their own country with a vengence, 'masochistically' because someone has told them to do so.
When tourists vist this country and see the smiles in the hotels and gift shops, they are only looking at the front cover of the book. The book has now been opened and the pages have revealed a different story - perhaps the true story, what lies beneath.
Thailand will be deemed a no-go and a no-investment area; it will retreat back towards the jungle from whence it came, its people not worthy of civilisation.
May 23, 2010 4:03 AM BST
David Howden wrote:
This is the beginning of the the for the Monachy, the Army and big business interests as Thailand knows it. When the King dies and his croney son takes the throne Thaksin will be in there like a shot. He will be given his money back and with royal patronage will be able to continue his bid for President of Thailand. Thailand has had this coming for a long time, the Reds will not eaisly go back behind their buffalo!
May 23, 2010 3:42 AM BST
This is the beginning of the the for the Monachy, the Army and big business interests as Thailand knows it. When the King dies and his croney son takes the throne Thaksin will be in there like a shot. He will be given his money back and with royal patronage will be able to continue his bid for President of Thailand. Thailand has had this coming for a long time, the Reds will not eaisly go back behind their buffalo!
May 23, 2010 3:42 AM BST
Bill Peter wrote:
Sad. Very, very sad.
May 23, 2010 2:09 AM BS
Sad. Very, very sad.
May 23, 2010 2:09 AM BS
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