Fern at Guess Bar

[HogTied]

top class bita totty...

those new pix rock....

[harris11]

Fern looks lovely on ladyboycrush site. And she is lovely.

But now Fern has found new God and its not a farang of thai boy.

Hope she comes back to us, I for one will miss her but for the time being she is on another planet.

She is mixed up with bad people and I have tried to stop this from happening, but being 6000 miles away it is almost impossible.  

If and when she goes to Guess bar again and gets bar fined just remember where your money will end up.

Hi , guys no sacastic comments and that includes you Pacman.

Anyone see her please take care of her, over and out,

Fucking Ice, curse of the world and the end of my friendship with her

Anyone who bar fine her will have a good time and will get to fuck one of the true superstar of the LB scene in LOS so no problem there if you only want ST, I have known her 18 ,months and have not regretted anything except the last month and her new independance in her new condo. Never tried to control her but only to watch over her but her new God has taken over for sure, and I am surplus to requirements now.

[pacman]

     I am crushed by the news harris11. I have never spent time with Fern but like you I appreciate a true beauty.

Meth-amphetamine in the form of Ice is the most addictive drug going & the knowledge that this shit is going to kill such a girl is tragic beyond words.

One of the best treatment programs in the world to break addiction is right in Thailand run by the Buddhist monks.

Is there was any chance of getting Fern to one of these places? Probably not if she feels there is nothing wrong.

I hope between the girls at Guess & the BMs that something can be done to save Fern, however she is just one of many...

Sympathy not sarcasm today harris, it isn't the answer we would all like but give me some credit for knowing when to keep my gob shut.

I am truly sorry for you mate, I know you adored her.

[stogie bear]

I am crushed by the news...

News? She's been battling that demon for ages.

[kahuna]

I haven't seen her for several days...
But a few days back, she looked healthy and acted normal...
Well, normal for a ladyboy...

I hope you are wrong Harris...

[harris11]

Her habit is only affecting my friendship with her .

In no way will it affect her behaviour in the Guess bar, when she can be bothered to go, and anyone thinking of BF her should not be put off with my comments .

As we know she is not alone in this habit and like those who do it, she will not allow it to interfere with her work.

She is still a true beauty in body and soul and anyone who BF her will not be dissappointed.

[haze69uk]

Excuse my ignorance but , is 'ice'/'meth' the same thing as 'yabba' which i read about in the Bangkok post sometimes? Usually after someone loses it with a knife and the BIB gun them down.

[kahuna]

Cousins...

Yaba is a methamphetamine and caffeine mixture in pill form...

Ice is pure methamphetamine in crystal form...Much stronger than Yaba...

Both will kill you...

[haze69uk]

Shit. That's bad news. Sad to hear someone getting involved with all that.

[seamus]

Well, I heard a few weeks back that she was back on it & in a bigger way then last time.Harris, I am truely sorry to hear this & thought she had got her shite together, when she went back home for 6 weeks.I wish you both all the best in the world & hope she gets it together & it doesnt kill her.
Guys she is a great girl & this makes me sad.


Seamus

[perth_couple]

Ok, Kahuna actually saw her a couple of days ago and thought she looked ok.

Anyone else in LOS actually seen her lately - Stogie how does she seem to you?

Before everyone takes the relapse story as gospel?

Conflicts of interests and all that...

[LadyboyCrush]

No offense y'all, but I have to (respectfully) say that your being quite naive about the situation here... Methamphetamine use (via ya ba or Ice) is used by (in my opinion) 90% of the ladyboys working in the sex industry... In my time here in Thailand I can only recall 3 ladyboys (that arent brand new to the scene) that dont do drugs whether it be for moral reasons, health reasons, or whatever..

I listed the reasons (which SEEM obvious to me -- but then again, I actually have experience doing drugs, hehe) on the thread about "Porn and Ladyboys" on the General forum... but I'll list them again here for your convenience.

1. Drugs give people energy. (Energy which can be used to say, dance all night, or fuck all night)

2. Speedy drugs such as Meth and Cocaine tend to make people horny.

3. They also dull the senses in certain areas like say... an ass. Many people who think it hurts getting fucked in the ass, actually enjoy it when they do drugs. That is why drug use is ESPECIALLY prevalent with GAY sex workers.

4. Drugs give people a more "carefree" attitude which is useful in a job where fucking people that you aren't attracted to is just another day at work.

5. And then there is Xanax (a Ladyboy Zombie favorite) which is prescribed for anxiety. It numbs the mind which is also great for when you have a job in which you are fucking people that you really don't want to be. Xanax is also a ladyboy favorite because it can make it very easy to forget anything that happened while you are on it.

6. Speed is an appetite suppressant. People who sell there bodies need to control their weight if they want to be sellable.

Methamphetamine does NOT make people insane. It is the LACK OF SLEEP that makes them crazy. The ladyboys who know how to take care of themselves while taking drugs (making sure they sleep every night as well as eat every day) you can not even notice they use drugs.. Apparently this makes up a large percentage of them because it appears many of you have been fooled into thinking that Fern is the exception rather than the rule...

While I can agree that there is an evil side to drugs, I don't think many of you grasp that drugs are actually RESPONSIBLE for many of the positive aspects that you come here to experience.. I wont mention any names, but I recall chatting with one of you outside of 131 in Pattaya one night.. and there was a comment about one of the ladyboys looking thin, because she was doing ice... and how drugs are terrible... then the conversation went to the best LB experience you had... A LB from Cascade... had an insatiable sex drive, was enthusiastic about the sex, etc.... and I recall thinking to myself (I might have said it outloud as well... I dont recall) that every reason that was listed that actually MADE IT your best LB exoerience was ABSOLUTELY the effect of said ladyboy taking methamphetamines... Yes, there are people that have those qualities without ice.. but NOT MANY.

So, having said all of this, hopefully many of you will be less harsh in judging these people as far as this goes... I mean really, unless the person is stealing from you to pay for their drugs, or gets violent with you, etc, what REALLY is the problem? It is definitely sad to see someone who cannot handle their use of drugs, just as its sad to see someone who lets alcohol get the best of them.. Thats part of life... Everyone has their faults, but I do think that the singling out of Fern is quite unfair and pretty rude.

Kahuna, I can think of zero instances of methamphetamine killing a ladyboy.... Yes, it CAN do some shitty things such as make them lie cheat and steal to support their habit... but kill? I think that might be a bit drastic. I *DO* still owe you a beer for that shirt you and your sexy avatar gave to me.

[harris11]

Good post, and some points of value.

However the world would be a better place without drugs, full stop.

My only concern is for people I care about and no one else.

Thanks to the guys that I sent me PM about this with their support . Have told Fern she has many good friends in the bar and on this site and she appreciates them all.

I hope and think she will prove all her doubters wrong and she will be back on top form very soon.

[kahuna]

(LadyboyCrush @ Aug. 15 2008,05:37) Yes, it CAN do some shitty things such as make them lie cheat and steal to support their habit...  but kill?  I think that might be a bit drastic.

I didn't mean that it turns ladyboys into killers...Although many I've been with are natural born killers...And they certainly don't need drugs to allow them to lie...
That's instinctive behavior...

In fact I wasn't really referring to usage by ladyboys at all...

I don't profess to come close to being an expert in ladyboys and drugs...I'll leave that to you guys who live here and who know the girls up close and personal...

All I meant was that methamphetamine is a very dangerous drug and over time destroys brain cells and other organs....Damage that is largely irreparable...
So dangerous in fact, that even as prescribed medication in the USA it's use is very restricted...

Perhaps a poor choice of words on my part...But not my intent...It's a scary drug ...Stay away from it...

[benturpin]

(LadyboyCrush @ Aug. 15 2008,05:37) Ya de ya de ya...

Hello Mr Ladyboycrush

With some amazement I read your post about methamphetamine and xanax. First I don't see that you make a difference between a casual and a chronic user. Yes true that at least 70% ( you even say 90%) is on yabba/ice . Most are even chronic users. But it is very important to take that on account too. *So I like to give some additional information too:
point1)
yes true for a short while but every time the effect is gone you feel washed out. Also on the long term your body ( because of less eating) burns it's own energy.
Weight loss etc.

point 2)
Yes true but only in the beginning. A big misunderstanding.With chronic users and most lb's on ice/yabba are chronic users an erection becomes a problem. Also most fall into a depression and won't feel horny again by being a chronic user. Ever seen a depressive person horny or like to have sex?

point 5)
Xanax can be a popular drug by gay's or lb's but ever worried about side effects or what this drug does. Yes it works but it only depresses the symptoms of anxiety. It never takes away the cause.
Side effects are nice too:
sleepy or hangover, no feelings ( like a zombie) . tired all day, visual disorder , feeling less horny (oops) , lost of memory ( sometimes beyond repair),addiction by chronic users, agression, nightmares , depression , tolerance and rebound effects ( when you stop at once with effects like anxiety, agressive, no sleep, headache, aversion against light, sound, taste or smell)
6) sounds nice as a theory but what lb can or is willing to spend money on a doctor or is aware of that.
Also by using methamph there is a much higher risk of anorexia. The main problem with an anorexia patient is
that they always think their weight is too high. I'm afraid in thailand your point 6 simply doesn't work.
Not even mentioning that many lb's also use androcur and female hormones. In combination with methamph I can tell you it is party time
Now the rest of your post:
Methamp does make people insane. It is not the lack of sleep ( I lived for two months with a yabba/ice lb and she slept all day besides other funny things) that drives them insane because after the drug is eliminated they get very tired. On the long term a chronic user becomes psychotic or schizofrenic and addicted .Maybe a sane person to you but did you ever had to work with these kind of patients. Also this kind of psychosis is difficult to treat. The same goes for the addiction. Besides that there is *the famous *craving ( the worst part of yabba/ far worse than alcoholics or smokers) that drives a user mad. Also heard of the famous hyperthermia:
This can happen with any user (chronic or casual) within 15 minutes until 6 hours after you took the drug. Then you get hyperthermia, dehydration, hart failure, high or low blood pressure, kidney failure. Yes and with a little luck you even DIE. Ask theparents of a 14 year old girl who used yabba here in holland for the first time and died of this. Yes so much pleasure for the parents mr crush.
Also you might like to know a little bit about other side effects like:
Risk of liverdisease ( indepndant of dosage or how long you use it/ many ex lb friend caught this too/ look nice on the skin I can tell you), chronic headache, visual disorders , fear, agressive behaviour, memoryloss beyond repair and risk of getting parkinson disease ( although some doctors doubt the last )
In my opinion the positive effects don't measure against this. Sad you seem to forget this and talk about drugs like candy. A few moments of pleasure can never be a reason to take this. If you do *ok it is your decision but I think because of this thinking many lb's started with something they could't handle. I don't get harsh on the users. Look at their background: most are very poor, uneducated and sometimes childish in their behaviour. Compare that to Us or european farangs with a good education. Do you really think these poor souls ever knew what they started with. Yes you know and seek your own pleasure. They never realized until it was too late. Even then a farang finds a way out but a thai I have my doubts. Look how poorly thailand handles programs to help addicts from their addiction. I never judge on a yabba user who cannot help her addiction because it started many times to please farangs like you. But instead I ask you to look in the mirror and ask yourself why did I post this? To please yourself again maybe.
Sorry for you butI would never buy you a drink reading your post.