Tokyo

[Randyman]

Kinda makes it a moot point when you're standing next to her at the urinal doesn't it?

randyman

[PigDogg]

Hey man, I'm not going to do anything to embarrass a ladyboy I'm with.  I talking about the urge, not the manifestaion of the urge.  Where the urge comes from is wanting to tell the world, I like ladyboys and if you  don'tlike it go fuck yourself, with the reality that thepublic knowledge of my private business could have implications at work.  Sure, I work with gay people who have relationships with gays their age.  But my traveling halfway around the globe to pay to have sex with 21 year old girls with dicks would at the very best make me the butt of jokes and at worst make me seem like a real creep to some coworkers and damage relationships.  

So given the consequences of me being outed as a ladyboy lover, sure, I can easily see how a ladyboy wouldn't want to be outed.

On a plane ride back home I was sitting next to a good guy, non-judgemental so I was showing him photos from the trip.  He didn't seem to think I was evil for being with a girl half my age so I told him she was a he and I took a walk on the wild side.  To me this show and tell is an appropriate way of dealing with this urge.

[Guest]

Well I read your posts about "exposing" or at least wanting to "expose" the identity of your ladyboy companion with little or no amusement whatsoever ! I am therefore not surprised at all with the feelings of dismay expressed by the ladyboys concerned. I find it most bizzare and damned insensitive and frankly childish that you would wish to do this especially to a ladyboy that you like ! Can I tell you why ? These ladyboys aspire to be as femminine and as passable as real girls period. As boys growing up they dream of looking like real girls, passing as real girls and being treated as real girls. They take hormones that will eventually over a longterm harm their heart and/ or increase their risk of cancer breast, undergo painful cosmetic surgery and risk ridicule and banishment from their families and friends as well as discrimination from every quarter of thai society however tolerable it maybe. These ladyboys work damn hard for years and years to pass in what is largely a homophobic and scathing society that does not understand or accept variation from the so called "norm". We sometimes forget how easy it is for us guys to go about our daily activities without people looking at us strangely or making comments about ones particular gender or sexual orientation.

So here you have it a ladyboy who has spent years and years perfecting herself to look like the real lady she has dreamed about and infact succeeding everyday to pass more than successfully as a real girl especially in thailand were the people are so clued up to ladyboys that they can spot them easily but they cannot tell that she is a ladyboy this time because she looks so perfect as a thai lady. Here then is the crowning turd on a beautiful cake. Some guys knowing what they know about ladyboys and their struggle to femmininity decide it would be fun for their benefit to tell whoever, a honeymoon couple or an old taxi driver, that infact the beautiful lady that is with you is infact a ladyboy! How considerate is that ? Humiliating somebody in public who desperately wishes other people to percieve her as a girl but you decide that it is amusing to tell the public that this is not true ! Hey look at this folks a girl with a dick can you believe that shit ? How freaky is that eh dude ? How shocking eh ? Have you educated anyone about transexualism ? No. All you have done is made the public more confused and possibly more scared of something that they should not fear whatsoever. So many transexuals are murdered especially in the US because their real identity has been exposed ! Exposing your ladys identity to complete strangers might be fun for you but could have dire consequences for your girl if you tell the wrong person ! And I am not being oversensitive about this either ! I've seen this happen in Europe and the US.

I'm not asking that people who like ladyboys should try and change the world of predujice towards this group of people but I would humbly ask that you try to THINK about the girls feelings. These ladies are not here for our amusement or for you to shock an unsuspecting member of the general population. Personally it shows a degree of immaturity and lack of respect for a ladyboy that has too literally gone through hell to pass only for you to expose this in 10 seconds flat vs the 10 years she may have taken to cultivate her fem look.

I make no apologies to guys here who just want to use and abuse. OK do what you want but I hope that your errand behaviour will one day be visited upon you ! Yes, let us have some care free fun and butterfly if you wish there is nothing wrong with that if that is what you want to do (personally I don't) but all I ask is that you treat these ladies with at least a little respect and try to understand what they have been through even if they have been bad to you in the past(stealing etc.). There is good and bad in all people but our lives in the west are far more easier than theirs don't you think ?

I am not trying to single out any one person here but rather ask you to think about whether these actions mentioned earlier are justifiable considering as was stated that both ladyboys mentioned were "not amused". Can you understand why ?

Thank you for allowing me to have my say. I hope my thoughts on this subject are reasonable and that they stimulate some debate if members deem this necessary. It is not my intention to offend or condemn anyone but rather point out an observation i have made and make it easier for us to understand the ladies we like having fun with so that most experiences can be trouble free !!

I think you have taken this too seriously. Maybe you should go back through the archives and read some of the other posts before condemning us for people who only see ladyboys as being here for our amusement.

Nobody could accuse JD as not having the girls best interests at heart and having met him I can tell it is not all a facade.

You are not telling any of us things that we did not already know about the discrimination and subjugation faced by these ladys who are the targets of our affections. I can assure you the last thing we would do is intentionally ridicule these girls in public.

[Guest]

I know you PD and you are the same as me; we would never want to intentionally hurt these people, but we also would kind of like to share our secret with the world [outside of family and friends] not for the shock value but more to say "hey, I am proud to be with this person and I really don't care if it is a transvestite".   when I was with Aon and people would see us together and know she was a boy I actually thought it was cool.  on that same trip we were on a boat ride to Koh Tao and there were 3 Irish people, 2 guys around 25 and a chick the same age. They "read" her and I could see them snickering and making comments although they didn't know that I could see them doing it.  I just laughed inside and said to myself " ya, and my date is about 100 times cuter than the chubby, pale Irish lass you 2 are travelling with".  I have no trouble at all travelling or being seen with ladyboys and although it is rare that I would advertise it as I did with Chom [and again, that was just a joke with a 60-year old guy] I have no problems if people say "hey, that guy is gay and travelling with a transvestite".  again; fuck 'em.

[Guest]

You are not telling any of us things that we did not already know about the discrimination and subjugation faced by these ladys who are the targets of our affections. I can assure you the last thing we would do is intentionally ridicule these girls in public.

well put, Oz, and certainly most of the people here would never want to hurt any of these lovely people in any way; we are all here because we actually have great affection for them. and yes, thanks for realizing I do have the girls' best interests at heart; it is always my goal to further their 'careers' by trying to make them as popular as possible here and many have thanked me numerous times for making them  famous and getting them  boyfriends from here, etc.....  with a very small exception I have liked almost every ladyboy I have ever met and so I treat them with kindness and respect.  if I embarassed one in a taxi ride with a thoughtless statement, it was not my intention, simply an inside joke amongst friends.  kind of like if Chom said "hey, did you know you have  a fat guy on the wrong side of 40  riding in your taxi right now?"  I would have given her the same look and then moved on to something else.

 again, no big deal and this guy's post was actually well-taken and had some good thoughts in it.

[Guest]

Ozzie please read again the last paragraph of my post ! It is not my intention to condemn but make an observation on a pattern of behaviour described !!

And I really do not believe that every single member on this forum really does understand the discrimination that happens. Again you are assuming that everyone here is a seasoned veteran like you and they are clearly not !

You missed my points entirely and yes sorry but I do take this subject seriously.

As I said I am making an observation only and I do understand Jaidees point but that does not mean that ones behaviour, however experienced/reveered in the scene, is always going to be flawless !

[mrpogi]

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[katoeylover]