The First Four Time MVP

[BlueBallz]

Peyton Manning has won the NFL's MVP award for a record 4th time!! If he wins one more Super Bowl I dont see how he cannot be regarded AT THE VERY LEAST in the top 3 QBs of all time!!! The guy is phenomenal and I dont see how you cannot like him. He is akin to Derek Jeter in class and I am a METS fan!!!!

[smuttleydfs]

What is even more significant is the Heisman trophy winner from 1997 (and future hall of famer) became the first Heisman trophy winner to win the NFL's Defensive player of the year

[BlueBallz]

I told you NOT to read this!!!!

[kevin4252]

Glad you could find a silver lining for the 2009 season, after Da Lions and Micheeeeeeeeegan,

[smuttleydfs]

(BlueBallz @ Jan. 13 2010,20:47) Peyton Manning has won the NFL's MVP award for a record 4th time!!  If he wins one more Super Bowl I dont see how he cannot be regarded AT THE VERY LEAST in the top 3 QBs of all time!!!  The guy is phenomenal and I dont see how you cannot like him.  He is akin to Derek Jeter in class and I am a METS fan!!!!

Here is another pint of view of the ?MVP?  



NFL Truths: Peyton at the crossroads
Jason Whitlock writes about the sports world from every angle, including those other writers can't imagine or muster courage to address. His columns are humorous, thought-provoking, agenda free, honest and unpredictable.
There is no more difficult job in sports writing than criticizing Peyton Manning.

He epitomizes what we want in a high-profile athlete. He loves and respects the game. He€™s committed and well-prepared. He€™s highly skilled, fun to watch and maintains an air of humility. He is easy to like and respect.

However, his accomplishments are rarely placed in their proper perspective. He just won his record fourth Associated Press MVP award. When he retires, he€™ll own just about every meaningful career passing record and some experts will argue that Manning is the greatest quarterback of all time.

I can€™t go there. Not now. Not without significantly more postseason success.

Saturday night, when the Indianapolis Colts face the Baltimore Ravens, Manning will play the most important game of his career, his 16th postseason start. A poor performance and a loss severely damage Manning€™s reputation as a champion.

Yes, he€™s battled a big-game image problem since college, and his lackluster individual performance during the Colts€™ 2006 Super Bowl run did little to quiet the critics who question Manning€™s ability to execute efficiently when pressure is the highest.

But this goes deeper than Manning€™s 7-8 playoff record, 22-17 TD-to-INT ratio and 10-point drop in QB rating during the postseason (95.2 to 85.0).

Before I go on, marinate on these comparative numbers:

Kurt Warner: 9-3 record, 31-13 TD-to-INT, 93.7 to 104.6 QB rating.

Tom Brady: 14-4 record, 28-15 TD-to-INT, 93.3 to 85.5 QB rating.

Brett Favre: 12-10 record, 39-28 TD-to-INT, 86.6 to 85.2 QB rating.

Dan Marino: 8-10 record, 32-24 TD-to-INT, 86.4 to 77.1 QB rating.

John Elway: 14-8 record, 27-21 TD-to-INT, 79.9 to 79.7 QB rating.

Joe Montana: 16-7 record, 45-21 TD-to-INT, 92.3 to 95.6 QB rating.

That€™s right. Manning compares most favorably to Marino, a great player who dominated the stat sheet but had trouble winning and producing at the same high level in January.

Now, let€™s take the discussion a step farther. Manning is playing in the QB era, which is somewhat like baseball€™s steroid era. The rules of the game so heavily favor the quarterback and the passing game that statistics are being distorted.

It€™s nearly illegal to touch the quarterback now. Since the beginning of the new millennium, the NFL has passed a series of rules aimed at assuring the players most likely to receive $100 million contracts don€™t end up on injured reserve. In the mid-1990s, the league installed radio transmitters in the helmet of QBs and renewed its commitment to stop defensive backs from touching receivers more than five yards downfield.

The purpose of the rule changes since 1978 (when the league first outlawed receiver-DB contact beyond five yards) was to create the Arizona-Green Bay shootout we watched last weekend. Kurt Warner and Aaron Rodgers completed nearly every pass they threw.

Throwing for 4,000 yards in a season used to be a very big deal. No one did it in 1997. Two guys did it in 2001. This past season, 10 QBs surpassed the 4,000-yard barrier. In 1990, three quarterbacks -- Jim Kelly, Warren Moon and Joe Montana -- completed more than 60 percent of their passes. Nineteen years later, 21 quarterbacks -- including future career backups David Garrard, Alex Smith and Chad Henne -- connected on at least 60 percent of their throws.

Playing quarterback is still the most difficult job in all of sports, but rule changes have made the task much easier. No one has benefitted more than Peyton Manning. He€™s collected four MVP trophies in seven years by taking advantage of league€™s insistence on providing quarterbacks PEDs -- performance-enhancing defenses.

The lone remaining venue where a QB can distinguish himself from the pretenders is the postseason.

Manning needs a good showing and a victory on Saturday. If not, he€™s a Dan Marino upgrade and a slice below Brett Favre. That€™s not bad company. But it€™s not Montana, Elway and Brady. Hell, Manning could fall behind Kurt Warner, if Warner wins another Super Bowl.


MVP regular season but other hen that??? Its debatable




 

[blonde_havoc]

Could fall behind Kurt Warner? I fail to see how that's a bad thing. Warner is a football god.

Honestly, that's an interesting take on Peyton's erratic post-season play. You can't blame him for taking advantage of the rules in his favor as a QB (with at least one of those rules being named after Tom Brady haha). Peyton has a ring, 4 MVPs, and dominated his division many times during his tenure so far as Colts QB. Any team in the league is better with Peyton. He's proved himself. And I say this as a Bears fan who cheered against him in 2007.

[JaiDee]

I like Manning..... he has a good arm and his combination with Rodney Harrison was one of the best ever, along with Rice/Montana.

Still hope they lose this weekend though, I like him but not his TEAM.

[Lefty]

(smuttleydfs @ Jan. 14 2010,09:05) What is even more significant is the Heisman trophy winner from 1997 (and future hall of famer) became the first Heisman trophy winner to win the NFL's Defensive player of the year          




 

Hey the Michigan State Wolverines got the same colors as the Steelers. Black and Yellow.

[BlueBallz]

Smutts you are using the Manning stats like a drunk uses a lightpole for support and not illumination. Manning GOt the Colts to the playoffs when he started his career because of, mainly, his brilliance. In the playoffs he lost to the way better team. Lets look at the Jets who killed the Colts in his first playoff game years ago. Yes, they have had their dissappointments. He has one ring and he isnt done yet. If he wins another, he will compare favorably (I would say even better) than Elway...

[smuttleydfs]

(BlueBallz @ Jan. 19 2010,02:40) Smutts you are using the Manning stats like a drunk uses a lightpole for support and not illumination.  Manning GOt the Colts to the playoffs when he started his career because of, mainly, his brilliance.  In the playoffs he lost to the way better team.  Lets look at the Jets who killed the Colts in his first playoff game years ago.  Yes, they have had their dissappointments.  He has one ring and he isnt done yet.  If he wins another, he will compare favorably (I would say even better) than Elway...

Gee I didn't realize that I had changed my name to Jason Whitlock BB. I wish I had his money............wouldn't want his girth and hell I know you wouldn't want his color would ya BB

I post a concise clear column from a respected sports journalist from Fox Sports and I'm using Manning's chokability as light pole to lean on??? Once again the right side of your brain is narrowing your vision BB..........Hell Whitlock let Manning off easy by not posting his failures at checkerboard U.......it took him to graduate for the school to win a national championship and finally beat Bama and Florida!!!!! He isn't done yet? Not sure this is his 12th or 13th year and I don't see him carrying on for 20 like Favre.

GMAMFB BB you're grasping here

Mike and Mike were discussing greatest QBs of all time this morning which is a very subjective arguement and your country boy was way down the list and didn't improve that much if he wins this year and to say he would pass Elway is pretty presumptious considering Elway not only won 2 rings but went to the dance 5 times!!!!

One thing very telling in Whitlock's article is if Manning, Brady and Rivers had of played years ago when they let the defense play D and didn't baby the QBs they wouldn't be nearly as stat charged as they are now. IMO the only QBs that are throwback QBs are Big Ben, Donovan McNabb, and yes (sorry JaiDee) Brett. They could have played in any era especially Big Ben.

Manning is a great QB and a commercial marvel. America loves that dumbass cracker hillbilly charm but to be idolized? I don't think so.


 

[BlueBallz]

If I saw jason Whitlock on the street, I would not know who the fuck he was. You reprinted his article in order to support your opinion that Manning isnt THAT GOOD. Fine its argument like these that makes sports interesting. I think you are dead wrong though. I think Manning is deffo in the top 5 all time but we will be having talks like this til the cows come home.

I find your last lines a bit unnerving about America loving his dumbass cracker hillbilly charm. Would you ahve used a similar line about Charles Woodson or Charls barkley? methinks not but why wouldnt you???

[smuttleydfs]

(BlueBallz @ Jan. 19 2010,22:13) If I saw jason Whitlock on the street, I would not know who the fuck he was.  You reprinted his article in order to support your opinion that Manning isnt THAT GOOD.  Fine its argument like these that makes sports interesting.  I think you are dead wrong though.  I think Manning is deffo in the top 5 all time but we will be having talks like this til the cows come home.

I find your last lines a bit unnerving about America loving his dumbass cracker hillbilly charm.  Would you ahve used a similar line about Charles Woodson or Charls barkley?  methinks not but why wouldnt you???

If you wouldn't know Jason Whitlock if you saw him on the street I suggest you sharpen your debating pencil and/or simply go to www.foxsports.com (you know the only REAL fox news network) he is always on the front page.

Last lines unnerving? Why? Does the similarities to what the patron sant of football really is bother you? And yes I would say that about Barkley who is funny, outspoken ( I take it you hate that in a brother) and charismatic.

Charles on the other hand is quiet and is pretty much a family man that has kept out of the spotlight his entire athletic career. Had he been a white brash god fearing player (IE: Tim Tebow) he would have been all over the air waves. Instead he has conributed millions to U Michigan and started up youth programs in his hometown of Fremont Ohio.

But of course learning this sort of information would require you to watch or read something other then Faux News