Vietnam again?

[stogie bear]

Is it just me, or does anyone else think that these Middle Eastern conflicts are turning into a huge mistake?

More and more, I am hearing of soldiers being attacked in sporadic and increasingly frequent intervals, both in Iraq and Afghanistan.

When do you say that enough is enough and start making these people take care of their own business. The longer this drags on the harder G. Dubbya is going to find his popularity in The States maintain it's current high.

Of course there are no easy answers, at least that I can think of, but just recently I have been wondering whether all of the loss of life since the so called 'end of the war' is really worth this real estate.

[Thaipan]

I agree with you Stogie, the UK Sunday papers were full of it last weekend and Tony Blair's popularity is at an all time low as it appears he has misled parliament into taking us to war. I hope that your Senate launches an investigation as our was a sham set up by the government to ensure that it could not be probed too deeply!

Can you imagine what would happen in Iraq if the USA and UK simply decide to pull out now?

I'm no fan of Iraq and have beeen there numerous times on business but I think this awr was ill advised. Vietnam mark II?Probably yes!

Let's hope and pray that George Dub Yah and Tony don't decide to invade LOS!!!!!

Thaipan

[bob]

Hi from Afghanistan,
I am here doing humanitarian demining but work close with troops. As much as I hate it without the troops this place would be worse than 1996, as a victim of the Taliban earlier this year I know how bad it will get.
Bob

[stogie bear]

Well, to be honest I wasn't for or against the invasion of Iraq and the take over of Afghanistan.

But it seems that now we have lost a bit of direction at the cost of pointless lives of both Britain and America.

[stogie bear]

Well, Bob what's the answer in your view? Keep 'em there, or pull 'em out?

[bob]

I was against the invasion here in Afghanistan but now they are here they need to stay - it would be a blood bath if they pull out. Iraq? Hopefully they can pull out quicker than here as there is a btter chance there maybe have to do what the Brits are famous for divide the country up into smaller regions? Who knows in the end but once you go down a particular route you are stuck with it.

[Guest]

Hi from Afghanistan,
I am here doing humanitarian demining but work close with troops.  As much as I hate it without the troops this place would be worse than 1996, as a victim of the Taliban earlier this year I know how bad it will get.
Bob

Hi Bob, I hope that you don't do anything silly like blow your dick off before you get to use it in LOS in September!

Take care of your self!!!

[Guest]

Well, to be honest I wasn't for or against the invasion of Iraq and the take over of Afghanistan.

But it seems that now we have lost a bit of direction at the cost of pointless lives of both Britain and America.

That's the speciality of Mr Blair's government start something off and then get lost! Wonderful! Why can't they just try sorting out easy stuff like the health service, education or roads for a change?

Not getting political here honest guys, I think all politicians ought to to be lined up, bent over and shafted by JeJe! On second thoughts maybe not the buggers would enjoy that too much!!!

[Stewart]

>>>>>Not getting political here honest guys, I think all politicians ought to to be lined up, bent over and shafted by JeJe! >>>>>>

Owwww....my ass just twitched there...I spent a night with her in BKK weekend before last, can now just about sit down without a very large pillow!!

[Guest]

>>>>>Not getting political here honest guys, I think all politicians ought to to be lined up, bent over and shafted by JeJe! >>>>>>

Owwww....my ass just twitched there...I spent a night with her in BKK weekend before last, can now just about sit down without a very large pillow!!

Yeah Gazzio told me the same thing in an e-mail, I think he was still sore! Even reading it brought a tear to my glass eye

[stogie bear]

Owwww....my ass just twitched there...I spent a night with her in BKK weekend before last, can now just about sit down without a very large pillow!!

Now that's more information than I needed to know!

[bricktop]

Winjurs !

As usual more winjing with no real answers given,or attempts for that matter to how to deal with a homocidal manic and the real threat of international terrorists.

Typical - We'll be putting Saddam back in charge once these commies tells us were he's hiding ! - That would surely be the politically correct thing to do after this filthy unworthy,distasteful invasion of both the poor,innocent,destitute afganistani and iraqi peoples countries. Then we should repatriate all the known terrorists back to the West so that they can get a real sporting chance at bombing Washington, London and fuck it lets go for Western Europe too, but remember folks we will also release all the poor innocents from G. Bay Cuba to lead the assault because folks it is against their human rights to be housed in these appalling conditions . Fuck it lets just give them the keys to our nuclear arsenal and hope they do the civilised politically correct thing.

" Since most crimes are committed in a state of somnambulism,one might say that the function of the moral sense consists in wakening the dreadful dreamer in the nick of time"

Wake up fellas,

Bricktop

[bob]

Bricktop or is it Brickhead - Easy for you to spout your fat mouth off sitting in your arm chair controlling the war with your remote control, why not come out here and see the reality, some of us have lived the reality for most of our working life. As a victim of terrorists (and yes I have been blown up on more than one occassion) I at least try to do something positive and work in these hell holes not just spout off at others. Nobody has said put Saddam back - and in truth even the most liberal of liberals is probably glad he has gone. The war graves alone justified the action. The question is - how do you sustain the number of troops out here and for how long. In the case of Iraq there is a chance of real democracy but probably if they divide the country. Whereas here in Afghanistan it is a long term project - this place would collapse overnight if the American troops pull out. God Bless America (and I am British).

So Brickhead get off the armchair and come make a difference, or shut the fuck up...

[hanbali]

My $.02 here. I spent time in Iraq in the 1980s when Saddam was being sponsered by Bush Sr and was best buddies with the US. Iraq has (and potentially still has) some of the most talented people in the middle east (and had one of the most devoloped economies). It was a dictatorship, but before the embargo and with oil flowing, people basically made a good go of it. The embargo, remember, resulted from Saddam getting mixed signals from the US ambassador on going after the Kuwaitis who were stealing their oil through slanted drilling rigs (there is no question the Kuwaitis were doing this, and lying about it to everyone including the US). Saddam's only mistake was to march into the cities, Ahmadi and Kuwait City. If he'd just taken over the oil fields on the border, he would have done well. But with the embargo, and Saddam's pursuit of the cult of his idols, Stalin and Saladin, the country became one nasty dictatorship in the 1990s. I think the US went into Iraq under false pretenses. Certainly Scott Ridder made this very clear. But no one should shed a tear over the toppling of Saddam's regime. What we should do, what we now owe them, is help in realizing Iraq's potential once again.

[stogie bear]

Good thoughts... Actually I had never heard of the 'slanted oil rigs' until you mentioned it. I knew that Kuwait was no democracy, though!

Thanks for giving me another angle to think about...