UK RIOTS

[Guest]

Hearing on the news this morning that the Secretary of State for Work and Pensions is proposing to stop(financial) benerfits for anybody convicted over the rioting

Music to my ears if that happens.

[Tomcat]

(pacman @ Aug. 15 2011,03:27) future economic prospects looking bleak for years to come,

This problem is the same in much of the EU with no solution and bound to get far far worse when Turkey gets in.

As we enter another great depression it does look bleak indeed. What the Politicians wont tell people is that the West has had its day and the wealth is going Eastwards and Southwards and that the underclass or whatever you call them have zero chance.. they are fucked .. truly

The chickens are coming home to roost and it doesnt look pretty.

[mardhi]

(Tomcat @ Aug. 15 2011,22:38)

(pacman @ Aug. 15 2011,03:27) future economic prospects looking bleak for years to come,

This problem is the same in much of the EU with no solution and bound to get far far worse when Turkey gets in.

As we enter another great depression it does look bleak indeed. What the Politicians wont tell people is that the West has had its day and the wealth is going Eastwards and Southwards and that the underclass or whatever you call them have zero chance.. they are fucked .. truly

The chickens are coming home to roost and it doesnt look pretty.

That is almost certainly at the heart of the problem IMHO. Politicians have a 4 year thinking span - i.e. winning the next election. Opening up immigration even further (in the hope of gaining votes) has been a concern of almost everyone however it is massaged by other things and spin so it gets relegated. Bit like defence really - it should be the fundamental concern of each and every government however in real terms defence spending is falling and welfare type funding increasing. The reason for this is simple - defence does not win votes, enhanced welfare payments do.

Frankly IMHO, there really is no solution - it will just continue down the path its heading as actually its electoral suicide to bring about the changes really needed - way too many people will be financially hurt and thus in reality nothing will change.

What will happen is that more people get savvy to the reality and just milk the system while they can - this has been very prevalent over the last 10-15 years - we saw it in the tail end of the last John Major government and all through the Blair years. Unfortunately it seems to be heading firmly towards a 'me first' kind of thinking and a political folk( in power and opposition) that have probably never had a job in the real private sector and thus faced up to situations where funny enough companies do go bankrupt, they see their private pensions reducing in value and not being gold plated and they really worry when a big engineering company in for example Derby does NOT win a contract for new trains. From what I can see, it has created a whole gravy train - lets face it Neil Kinnoch is a prime example - the bloke could not get a job in the real world and yet he is earning a fortune in some EU quango along with his wife. Same can be said for a lot of Tory politicians. I am sure they feel they do a lot of good, but in reality if you eliminated all of them, what frankly would change - apart from costs would tumble.

All in all, that is a major factor IMHO why people are angry, but the whole mentality of the country seems to be veering towards a 'me first' thinking and sod the rest.

[Tomcat]

i agree

also

The employment laws are so draconian and socialist that no one in his right mind would make anything in the UK anymore unless given a bribe by the Govt. I have just been stung by one such trbunal and it cost me £20,000 when my legal bills taken into account..i am more hatefull than ever of this system and the clowns in charge.. i hope the woman and her son who tried there best to take me to the cleaners both get burnt to death

anyway
Like James Dyson, he told everyone to invest in the UK and then moves all his own production to Maylasia when no more bribes turn up . Thanks for the tip James...

In Spain , Greece and France its even worse as they have the full EU Social chapter invoked

It is one big Joke and the words " fiddling while Rome burns " come to mind

[L B F]

A slow death that is disheartening to watch.

My brother still reckons he'll get a pension when he retires!

[Tomcat]

Sorry about that Q , ive changed the post. I had no idea

[L B F]

Cameron has announced a three week holiday to every 16 year old in the country.

That should fix it!

[katoeylover]

David Cameron has said tackling the "broken society" is back at the top of his agenda following last week's riots.

He said he would review all policies, speed up plans to improve parenting and education and turn around the lives of 120,000 "troubled" families.

To tackle a "moral collapse" he pledged a war on gangs, but the home secretary said there would be "no quick fixes".

Labour leader Ed Miliband accused the PM of looking for "superficial answers" instead of lasting solutions.

As the two politicians gave speeches, courts continued to hear cases of the hundreds of people involved in rioting, looting and disorder across England.

In other developments:

Total arrests across seven police forces by Monday morning were 2,772.
By noon, more than 1,179 people had appeared before the courts, the Ministry of Justice said, mostly on charges related to burglary, theft and handling, violence and violent disorder - 65% of people charged were remanded in custody.
Police investigating the death of Richard Bowes, 68, in Ealing last week say a potential witness has come forward. A 16-year-old boy has been arrested on suspicion of murder
Two men and a 17-year-old boy have appeared in court charged with the murders of three men hit by a car in Birmingham last week. Another man was arrested on Monday - three others are already on bail
Gordon Thompson, 33, has appeared in court charged with starting a fire which destroyed the 150-year-old House of Reeves furniture store in Croydon
Work and Pensions Secretary Iain Duncan Smith tells the BBC that people convicted of involvement in rioting could lose their benefits even if they are not jailed

[katoeylover]

(L B Q @ Aug. 15 2011,17:04) Cameron has announced a three week holiday to every 16 year old in the country.

That should fix it!  

why post the whole story when the titbits are far more interesting

[mardhi]

(katoeylover @ Aug. 16 2011,09:51) David Cameron has said tackling the "broken society" is back at the top of his agenda following last week's riots.

He said he would review all policies, speed up plans to improve parenting and education and turn around the lives of 120,000 "troubled" families.

To tackle a "moral collapse" he pledged a war on gangs, but the home secretary said there would be "no quick fixes".

Labour leader Ed Miliband accused the PM of looking for "superficial answers" instead of lasting solutions.

As the two politicians gave speeches, courts continued to hear cases of the hundreds of people involved in rioting, looting and disorder across England.

In other developments:

   Total arrests across seven police forces by Monday morning were 2,772.
   By noon, more than 1,179 people had appeared before the courts, the Ministry of Justice said, mostly on charges related to burglary, theft and handling, violence and violent disorder - 65% of people charged were remanded in custody.
   Police investigating the death of Richard Bowes, 68, in Ealing last week say a potential witness has come forward. A 16-year-old boy has been arrested on suspicion of murder
   Two men and a 17-year-old boy have appeared in court charged with the murders of three men hit by a car in Birmingham last week. Another man was arrested on Monday - three others are already on bail
   Gordon Thompson, 33, has appeared in court charged with starting a fire which destroyed the 150-year-old House of Reeves furniture store in Croydon
   Work and Pensions Secretary Iain Duncan Smith tells the BBC that people convicted of involvement in rioting could lose their benefits even if they are not jailed

There is a lot to be said for the 'broken window' or zero tolerance approach of policing in New York. Going back 15 years, I was amazed how safe the streets were in Manhattan as a result of the zero tolerance policies.

The irony is its amazing how so many people have suddenly been arrested in this last week and remanded in custody (some 65% I read) and oddly enough, its typically 10% for more 'serious' crimes (without the big headlines, things like suspected murder routinely get bail in UK these days - go figure that one).

I suspect many people are coming from the same angle - an individual house break in is not worth looking at or wasting time on as its too difficult to solve. However when it comes down to businesses another set of rules is being deployed. Last time I looked, business don't vote in politicians, but home owners do.

Reality is that the average folk in the street are peeved at this and this is the last straw as far as many are concerned. Hopefully, something good will come from this - but I am not very confident. Having said that, if he had some balls now would be a good time to call a snap election and get rid of the Liberals.

[L B F]

(katoeylover @ Aug. 16 2011,08:51) David Cameron has said...

Didn't he promise us a referendum on the EU?

Who gives a toss what that fucking muppet says.

He's just a fucking useless cunt of a liar like all those useless fucking cunts of liars before him.

Do you honestly believe that he will really change anything and turn this country around?

[Tomcat]

I agree ...

Give the people a real say.. haha.. thats never going to happen. The Public only voted for a economic union not a political one.. and what did they get. We were all conned badly . Dont ever mention the word democracy  because we dont have it.

If the majority had there say the country would never have been infested with immigrants and the death penalty would be invoked where need be. Democracy eh!  ha haha. The average Joe is considered no more than idiotic in most Politicians mindset

I think a huge number of Europeans are fucked of with the clowns in charge and thats why you will now see the rise of the Right Wing and good luck to them.  

It seems like the only option Cameron has is brainwashing . In some areas they have already resorted to busing kids in to Muslim school and vice verce... " you must integrate , you must integrate". They tried this in Holland and what happens...most of the white population will be gone by 2050, they are all emigrating. So much for freedom of choice , if you wont mix then we will force you to.

Its called social engineering or brainwashing , take your choice

[TEXASMAC]

I am just happy that politicains are much more trustworthy here in the states.

[BlueBallz]

Just a bunch of chronic welfare chavs seeing their chance to cause mayhem. Socila justcie?? Stick it to THE MAN and steal a 42 inch plasma!! Yeah right!!!

[Torurot]

Compare and contrast

Student jailed for six months for looting a case of water in London, The Journal, 11 August 2011:
http://www.thejournal.ie/student....Aug2011

A student HAS been jailed for six months today for stealing a case of water from Lidl during a looting spree in Brixton in the early hours of Sunday morning.

The Telegraph reports that Nicolas Robinson had no previous criminal record, and had taken the water as he walked home from his girlfriend€™s house. He threw the water away when he was confronted by police, and was arrested and charged.

In handing down the sentence the judge said that he was taking 23-year-old Robinson€™s previous good character and early guilty plea into consideration, but also said that the student wilfully contributed towards €œthe atmosphere of both chaos and sheer lawlessness€.

MPs' expenses: Jeremy Hunt to repay £9,500, The Telegraph, 10 December 2009:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news....00.html

Jeremy Hunt, the shadow culture secretary, is to repay more than £9,500 in second home expenses after a sleaze watchdog found him in breach of Commons rules.

But the Tory MP will escape further punishment after MPs accepted an earlier apology over allowing his agent to stay rent-free in the taxpayer-subsidised home.

The Committee on Standards and Privileges said that while public money had not been diverted to the benefit of the Conservative Party there had been a personal benefit to the agent.

So, steal £3.50, go to jail. Steal £10,000, and you just have to pay it back (oh, and you keep your cushy Cabinet job). The hypocrisy of "justice" in the UK is plain for all to see. And then they wonder why people riot...