Illegal border crossings in The UK...

[Road Runner]

(Jake_Sully @ Jul. 27 2010,19:31) What I don't understand is how can someone who is so hateful and such a criminal get a UK passport while 1000's of completely harmless ladyboys cannot?

He doesn't have a passport but they can't throw him out because it would breach his human rights.

It's fine for him to preach killing British people though.      

The question 50 million of us would like answered is why it's so easy for people who inwardly hate us to get passports when the Ghuka's who have fought alongside the British Army for 150+ years and like us - cannot have them?

Treatment of Gurkhas in the United Kingdom

The treatment of Gurkhas and their families was the subject of controversy in the United Kingdom once it became widely known that Gurkhas received smaller pensions than their British counterparts. The nationality status of Gurkhas and their families was also an area of dispute, with claims that some ex-army Nepali families were being denied residency and forced to leave Britain.

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Like BS there are times when I think the Thai's have it right and we have it horribly wrong.

RR.

[Guest]

Jake Sully-what you are saying works very well in theory ,but in the practical world in the uk,things are a lot different.
The biggest social problem in the uk ,is the young white working class male.Often from single parent families,living on sink-estates in the inner cities,with no political voice,and no special interest group to lobby for them .
Their outlet is gangs ,and petty crime,and selling drugs at a very low level.Its a big problem,and getting bigger.
All your theories regarding what do do with the likes of abu hamza doesnt take into account what every native person knows in the uk-the government and councils are frightened to death of the muslims.There is definitely one law for them,and one for everybody else.
I would never dream of telling a New Yorker what ails them ,and how to solve it-why?-well because i know cock all about it.I know about the uk,the real uk,not the theoretical one.

[Jake_Sully]

The question I really would like answered is why?

Why are they so afraid to do something about it?

[Road Runner]

Why?

Partly it's self inflicted  -  we did have unfair discrimination but no worse than anywhere else in the world.
Now on instructions from Westminster we have 'positive descrimination'.

More recently it's because we have to comply with the laws of the European Socialist Republic Union.
Even though we kicked the last lot out in May nothing can/will change until we tell the EU to get stuffed.

Never mind Sharia Law will sort it all out.

RR.

[Guest]

It's political expediency Jake.
The muslims are a huge and vociferous minority,and there are cities now almost completely given over to them.They control councils,and every politician within these areas has to deal with asian elders who will block vote out anyone who doesnt toe their line.
The iraq war was engineered by Blair and Jack Straw et al.Straw was an MP in one of the largest muslim constituencies in the country,and an odds on favourite to lose his seat at the next election after the war.
He didnt,and as later emerged,he did a deal to let the extended families of the pakistani elders in his constituency, into the country!We are talking here of aunt uncles,grannies and grandads who
immediately became eligible for welfare cheques ,housing etc. Channel 4 did an expose on him,but of course nothing came of it.So,treason doth prosper it seems.
Any critiscism of this is condemned by politicians of all 3 major parties as "racism" ,and the worst thing one can be is a racist! So,I like Ivor Biggun would up sticks and leave in a minute ,given the opportunity.

[Steff]

It's all gone to hell...

[Jake_Sully]

(travis bickle @ Jul. 27 2010,17:54) It's political expediency Jake.
The muslims are a huge and vociferous minority,and there are cities now almost completely given over to them.They control councils,and every politician within these areas has to deal with asian elders who will block vote out anyone who doesnt toe their line.
 The iraq war was engineered by Blair and Jack Straw et al.Straw was an MP in one of the largest muslim constituencies in the country,and an odds on favourite to lose his seat at the next election after the war.
 He didnt,and as later emerged,he did a deal to let the extended families of the pakistani elders in his constituency, into the country!We are talking here of aunt uncles,grannies and grandads who
immediately became eligible for welfare cheques ,housing etc. Channel 4 did an expose on him,but of course nothing came of it.So,treason doth prosper it seems.
Any critiscism of this is condemned by politicians of all 3 major parties as "racism" ,and the worst thing one can be is a racist! So,I like Ivor Biggun would up sticks and leave in a minute ,given the opportunity.

Well assuming Britain has come to its senses now seeing as it voted Labor out (sorry Labour), can't the current government do something about it or it's the same old addage: the names, and faces of governments change, the lies and status quo stays the same?

And Steff it only goes to hell if good people sit idly by and do nothing. Governments are empowered only by the people which is why we Americans are so fond of keeping our guns. With enough people to vocally say and vote their ideas on this matter, change is inevitable.

I have no love of muslims what so ever but its really hard for me to fathom a white person getting discriminated against in the UK. I mean you all pay farang prices in thailand and philippines. That is discrimination! You're willing to take that discrimination happily but not stand up for what you believe in your own homeland? I'm not lauding you on your choice of places of retirement: Thailand and Philippines seem cheaper and great places with good climates but you never want to see your home go under to where its possible to salvage the situation. I mean I plan on settling down in Philippines or possibly Thailand too. But there is plenty of discrimation and scams in these new lands. Last year, I think it was last year, an American in Cagayan de Oro, Philippines died and his filipina wife happily didn't report his death and was living it up on social security payments with her young boyfriend in Virginia and had abandoned the husband. Obvious green card and money scam.

Also I looked this up on Wikipedia since you said a huge and vociferous minority:

Demographics of England:

Ethnic group 2001 population 2001 percentage 2007 population 2007 percentage
White: British 42,747,136 86.99% 42,736,000 83.6%
White: Irish 624,115 1.27% 570,500 1.1%
White: Other 1,308,110 2.66% 1,776,300 3.5%
Asian or Asian British: Indian 1,028,546 2.09% 1,316,000 2.6%
Asian or Asian British: Pakistani 706,539 1.44% 905,700 1.8%
Asian or Asian British: Bangladeshi 275,394 0.56% 353,900 0.7%
Asian or Asian British: Other South Asian 237,810 0.48% 339,200 0.7%
Black or Black British: Caribbean 561,246 1.14% 599,700 1.2%
Black or Black British: African 475,938 0.97% 730,600 1.4%
Black or Black British: Other 95,324 0.19% 117,600 0.2%
Mixed 643,373 1.31% 870,000 1.7%
Chinese or Other: Chinese 220,681 0.45% 400,300 0.8%
Chinese or Other: Other 214,619 0.44% 376,100 0.7%
Total 49,138,831 100% 51,092,000 100%

   * Christian: 71.75%
   * No religion: 14.81%[13]
   * Not stated: 7.71%
   * Muslim: 2.97%
   * Hindu: 1.06%
   * Sikh: 0.63%
   * Jewish: 0.5%
   * Other: 0.29%
   * Buddhist: 0.28%

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_England

Why don't people blog and talk about it on talk shows in a manner that's not extreme politics like the BNP but more so a center common sense platform? You might be surprised  how many agreed with you if you openly talk about it. I mean its the difference between say Michael Moore being thought of as an idiot and Barrack Obama being thought of as a real pioneer.

From my view, it seems to be a leaking ship and no one has the will to plug up the leaks. With 83% of the people you can really change things.

But here's something you have to consider.. you might be surprised at the support you get from the immigrant community too. A lot will agree with you and want to be regarded as British of Asian origins rather than Muslims and they'll side on the common sense platform and even think of Jack Straw as a traitor.


Edit: Let me add a side note of how even though I have major problems with America and want to move.. I tend to think the IRS can sometimes be amazingly fair. Case in point, I bought some shares in 2001 and sold them in 2009. Initially the IRS audited me for not reporting my profits but when I showed them I had actually turned on loss on the transaction, they didn't just fix the problem, they actually sent me a nice addition to my income tax return. What other country would do that? The UK maybe.. certainly not where we're looking to retire.  

Edit 2: I found your comment funny as an American since we're having a good intellectual discussion, but only a Pom/ Brit would blame the Iraq War on Blair/ Straw!

[Guest]

Hi Jake,some points i would like to make

Blair and Straw et al led the UK into the iraq war.Its aim was to steal the oil of course,and george dubya/cheney had already made up their minds it was going to happen.Blair and Straw jumped on his coat tails to secure lucrative contracts for British interests ,notably BP.

Also google illegal immigration Jake,you will see that before the last election the government actually admitted they had no idea how many illegal immigrants/visa overstayers there were,and they are not even actually pursued.As they say Jake,there are lies ,damn lies ,and statistics.

As for 86% of the population being white British,thats laughable-take a walk around London,or Manchester or Birmingham or any large city and see for yourself.Illegal immigrants dont fill in census forms .

As I have said earlier,anyone who raises the subject of immigration is immediately labelled a racist/bigot,and the three largest political parties never say a bad word about it.The only party who openly oppose it,are the BNP,but they will never get anywhere,and their leader is a borderline retard,who makes a twat of himself whenever he gets a public platform.They are seen as a fascist/nazi party also,and will never get any mainstream support.

[Ivor Biggun]

Game, set and match to Travis   http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news....hite.do

Here's a fun site i just found http://www.politicallyincorrect.me.uk/index.html

[Jake_Sully]

Well that's just retarded and also its 3 years old. But look at the first comment on there.

Look, for an asian male, even with an oxford dregree and lots of qualifications it is ery hard to get a job and if you change your name on your cv to a white one you instantly get inteviews. So stop pretending the problem is about white people having a hard time due to their race!!!!!! how mad.

I have a feeling the problem is bigger than just English being discriminated against.

Basically Affirmative Action is just wrong. That's like saying we don't like you because of the color of your skin which really is one of my pet peeves. No one has a choice of what skin color to be born under and to be judged on that basis really gets my juices flowing. Yes even if it is against whites. That's totally fucking retarded.

But Ivor, with the new government in place, don't you have hope?

[Jake_Sully]

(travis bickle @ Jul. 28 2010,04:42) Also google illegal immigration Jake,you will see that before the last election the government actually admitted they had no idea how many illegal immigrants/visa overstayers there were,and they are not even actually pursued.As they say Jake,there are lies ,damn lies ,and statistics.

As for 86% of the population being white  British,thats laughable-take a walk around London,or Manchester or Birmingham or any large city and see for yourself.Illegal immigrants dont fill in census forms .

As I have said earlier,anyone who raises the subject of immigration is immediately labelled a racist/bigot,and the three largest political parties never say a bad word about it.The only party who openly oppose it,are the BNP,but they will never get anywhere,and their leader is a borderline retard,who makes a twat of himself whenever he gets a public platform.They are seen as a fascist/nazi party also,and will never get any mainstream support.

If they're illegal, I don't think they can vote. In addition, the reason they tend to live in cities is that they're more likely to be sanctuary cities compared to the inner towns but if what you say is completely true, that's quite disturbing.

If I remember my history correctly, immigration of that sort is what led to the demise of the Roman Empire. They couldn't do what they wanted, so they imported a work force, then soldiers, then generals and eventually Rome was finished till Charles Martel remade the roman empire.

Someone should learn from lessons of history to not repeat them and I really stand by my belief of if immigrants are willing to integrate and orient themselves, then let them come but otherwise no. Sharia will not prevail in the UK easily, I don't think. There should be a lot of blood spilled on that question when it does come up. It will wake up the masses, but I still don't understand why the people are asleep right now.

[Jake_Sully]

In addition Ivor, this maybe unamerican of me but maybe I overreacted in my original comment. I think I came across as snide and curt when I didn't intend to personally. I don't enjoy fighting people I respect greatly, its just I really have a huge gripe against discrimination based on skin color as you/ others might have guessed. I'd rather people be judged on actions.

[Guest]

(Jake_Sully @ Jul. 28 2010,20:42)

Well that's just retarded and also its 3 years old. But look at the first comment on there.

Look, for an asian male, even with an oxford dregree and lots of qualifications it is ery hard to get a job and if you change your name on your cv to a white one you instantly get inteviews. So stop pretending the problem is about white people having a hard time due to their race!!!!!! how mad.

Jake ,that's bollox-if you have a degree from Oxford,you have no problem whatsoever getting a job,regardless of your colour.I suspect Harold Whiteman is a pseudonym,if it isn't he's chatting shit.
Oxford and Cambridge degrees will open any door in the country,even the dogs in the street know that.
Its like saying Harvard and Yale graduates cannot get a job because of their colour FFS.
I know very little about the Usa,but Im sure a graduation from those 2 halls of learning guarantee a good job.

[Jake_Sully]

They help but not guarantee it. There are always exceptions. =/

I have a friend from Elmhurst, who graduated from Columbia Business School in accounting and he had 5 years experience with a fashion design company but he never came up for promotion, instead according to him, they gave management jobs to "white people with a baruch college degree". He was born here but his family's from Taiwan. It pissed him off so much after a while, he left his $75,000 job to become a free lance real estate agent and loves working for himself.

Another person I know (who is white) has a degree from Princeton but has been unemployed since 2008 because of the layoffs and fiscal crisis.

[kahuna]

(Jake_Sully @ Jul. 28 2010,21:26) I'd rather people be judged on actions.

Don't we all Jake...