Bill Maher

[Lefty]

(JaiDee @ Jan. 31 2010,22:22) For my money he is the best - and the smartest- social commentator we have in the USA today by a long shot.

And funny as hell to boot.....his commentaries on Sarah Palin and that douchebag from Texas with the big ears who practically destroyed this country are national treasures.

To the same degree we do not agree on Favre, we do agree on Maher.
He is the best!!!

You 5 who voted against him are nothing but a bunch of right wing assholes.

[Lefty]

(JaiDee @ Feb. 02 2010,22:49) Don't get me wrong, I think Miller is great and have liked him ever since his SNL days;  I even saw him do stand-up once in Boston in the 90's and he was excellent and extremely smart.  His radio show IS still good today, but it goes totally against the grain of his support for the Iraq war and his weekly appearances on the O'Reilly factor, where he comes across as a shill for the right; too bad, really.  On his show he sounds like a moderate; but by appearing on FOX he loses all credibility in that department.

 He has lost a lot of friends in Hollywood these past few years, Sean Penn probably the most prominent, probably just by appearing on FOX.  But for my money he and Maher are probably the 2 smartest people in the scene today, right and left respectively.

What did you eat for breakfast this day? Man, you are on a roll!!! All your points through this thread, I totally agree with!!! Like you are reading my mind or something.

[stonefre]

I was a big Dennis Miller fan in his SNL days. I still think he is funny even though I don't agree with a lot of what he says. I'd like him more if he would stop kissing O'Reilly's ass.

[JaiDee]

(stonefre @ Feb. 04 2010,01:42) I'd like him more if he would stop kissing O'Reilly's ass.

couldn't agree more!! Of course......damn, was I pissed when I first saw him on there; I knew he was a Bush supporter and that's fine if he wants to be, but appearing on FOX has made him lose a lot of fans I am sure, while I would think gaining him practically none. Not a very good career move.

OK, Lefty....what is it that you WANT, being so nice to me??

[Lefty]

Hey, you know me better than that. I call 'em like I see 'em either way.

If I were a suck up, I'd also be telling you how smart you are re Brett Favre. You ain't, nor will see me do that.

[tomscam]

Maher on O'Reilly

[JaiDee]

I have seen that clip .....  as with many other Youtube listings the title of the clip kinda exaggerates  what really goes on in the short clip.

 O'reilly doesn't ''kick his ass'' and in point of fact it's just a typical discussion where that FOX comedy team member loses his cool, per usual.   I'd be willing to lay down 10 grand on an IQ test between these 2 people and I'd even give 2-1 odds that Maher would get the higher score.

  O'Reilly =  average intelligence

 Maher =  above average intelligence

Murdoch's shining star and his most-watched comedy network has corralled yet another blind sheep, eh? Sad.....

[pacman]

If you are judging IQ by their ability to think quickly with witty retorts, then Maher is a shoo-in & nobody would accept your bet.

However, that may not translate to a winning score in a properly conducted test. O'Reilly can be stubborn & truculent but he usually has nutted out his position carefully before he tackles the "enemies of the state". You can always tell when he feels his position has been breached by clever arguments from his guest when he starts raising his voice & shouting over the top of them thus denying them the chance to deliver the coup de grace.

It is important to remember that Bill O is a complete megalomaniac completely controlled by his vulnerable ego. He has been lauding his views over so many for so long that he must by now have a power complex that leaves him deluded to the truth. The truth is what he says it is. That he projects his happy face onto the chosen ones is just another part of how cleverly he plays the game. He can act perfectly normal until someone comes along to challenge his orthodoxy.

Beneath the smile is a clever & cunning operator who just might turn out smarter than you give him credit for. As for Sean Hannity, I will bet you a pound to a penny that anyone is smarter than he is.

[JaiDee]

(pacman @ Feb. 07 2010,12:40) It is important to remember that Bill O is a complete megalomaniac completely controlled by his vulnerable ego. He has been lauding his views over so many for so long that he must by now have a power complex that leaves him deluded to the truth.

As for Sean Hannity, I will bet you a pound to a penny that anyone is smarter than he is.

well said,  Paccie!

   I also think  that O'Reilly really BELIEVES  what he is talking about; a scary thing to be sure.

 His non-stop talk about the ratings gets so old, and yet he does it every chance he gets; ''we are the number one network in the country, blah, blah, blah....''  ''we are fair and balanced'', etc.....  and his constant tooling on his staff and other FOX comedy members;  when Beck {who will replace him at 8 o'clock soon, you watch} or some other member of the comedy team come on they all have to kneel down to Bill and be extra-nice to him just to help inflate his massive ego;  shameful, really.

   Hannity??   I have no idea how he ever got his own TV and radio shows; I would lay the same wager that about 75% of this board is smarter than he is.  Just another sheep from the far right who doesn't want any change [remember the definition of ''conservative''] and that one is even dumber than most!  

[Torurot]

"slightly off topic" but about O'Reilly
Remember, Fox (the spin begins here)

href="http://gawker.com/5465299/">'I'm Not Saying Your Mother's a Whore': How Fox News Censored Jon

O'Reilly claims he made a 'fair Cut' editing the conversation with Jon Stewart. Gawker says: 'If by 'fair cut' O'Reilly means 'cut in a manner that left some of Stewart's best lines, most effective arguments, and most convincing evidence out of the interview and hidden from the broadcast audience,' then he's absolutely right.'.....

[JaiDee]

His show is heavily edited and not run in real-time, no one can deny that.

He always says ''no one watches MSNBC and CNN at this hour''.....well, at least THEY have the balls to run their shows live.

[geezer]

(JaiDee @ Feb. 07 2010,12:47)  Just another sheep from the far right who doesn't want any change [remember the definition of ''conservative''] and that one is even dumber than most!  

I think your definition of conservatism is a little narrow. Are you suggesting that there is no change at all during a conservative government or that if a left wing governement is not changing anything that it really is a conservative government. And if we are always changing, what is it we are changing too and what happens when we get there, do we all become conservative? It doesn't make sense.

To ME conservativism means your not a big fan of big government. There is a place for government but that is not controlling every aspect of people's lives. But that's my opinion and I'm not going to write you off for having a different one. Your views on Politics may be based on your sexaulity or on your religion or any other reasson but each one is valid.

People should be free to make there own decisions but equally they should have to live by those decisions. There are some convincing positions on the left and they are not all looney but eqaully there is some good positions on the right of politics too. To frame both sides as your either a Sean Hannity ( who I dislike ) or Bill Maher is wrong. It's a lot easier to write the other side off as a bunch of nuts or rednecks than it is to work with them and that is what is wrong.

[JaiDee]

In another thread I simply put the first definition as provided by the very popular website www.dictionary.com ;

con⋅serv⋅a⋅tive
  /kənˈsɜrvətɪv/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [kuhn-sur-vuh-tiv]
€“adjective
1. disposed to preserve existing conditions, institutions, etc., or to restore traditional ones, and to limit change.


'to limit change'

I didn't make up the definition, I just quoted it!

[geezer]

Fair enough. Although I think the definition of the word is much better in the Oxford Dictionary. www.askoxford.com

conservative

€¢ adjective 1 averse to change and holding traditional values. 2 (in a political context) favouring free enterprise, private ownership, and socially conservative ideas. 3 (Conservative) relating to a Conservative Party. 4 (of an estimate) purposely low for the sake of caution.

€¢ noun 1 a conservative person. 2 (Conservative) a supporter or member of a Conservative Party.

€” DERIVATIVES conservatism noun conservatively adverb.

[strocube]

I think this works pretty well to explain the differences between progressives and you know who.