9/11 Conspiracy? Or did we get the truth?

[Naang Faa]

(travis bickle @ Oct. 28 2009,14:29) Perhaps it was a missile that hit the pentagon(claimed the French secret service)and the airplane was shot down on the orders of Cheney before it reached the pentagon.I have no problem with that,

I think that's a bit daft..I can't see a plane being shot down and no one
seeing it either shot or debris on the ground..it's rather populated the NE
USA isn't it?
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[Guest]

OK did ANYONE  see fotos of the airplane debris outside the pentagon?If not,why not?Maybe if one of the planes were shot down,it was  shot down over the sea.Anyway,debris at the pentagon-anyone see evidence of a PLANE hitting the pentagon?

[Naang Faa]

What's the point of shooting a plane down to stop it hitting the pentagon just to fire a missile
into it?
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[kahuna]

To create Forum Fodder...

Yes dear NF...They did it just so we could all have this very discussion...

And here we are so obviously their plan worked...

[Guest]

(Naang Faa @ Oct. 29 2009,00:05)

 What's the point of shooting  a plane down to stop it hitting the pentagon just to fire a missile
 into it?
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Well,i said the French secret service claimed it was a missile.Maybe it was,it certainly doesnt look like a plane hit it.                       If the plane was shot down,and they didnt want to admit it(think of all the lawsuits from the relatives)then they had to have a back up plan didn't they?If they had any debris from the plane,it could/would be forensically examined wouldn't it?Was the BLACK BOX  from that plane ever recovered?If they fired a missile at the pentagon,then the shot down plane could be covered up,couldn't it?Also,by firing a missile into section of the building closed for refurbishment,then no-one was harmed.If that airplane had really struck the pentagon ,there could have been massive fatalities.                                                As i said,if there is a cover up,i think its the pentagon incident that is most suspect.Please ,i would love some proof that a plane hit the pentagon,any proof anyone?

[Naang Faa]

OK then, the plane on rout to LA..gets hijacked...the hijackers turn the plane around
over shoot Washington DC (and the state of Delaware prolly 150 miles) out to sea and out of sight to be shot
down by USAF jets so a Jet can turn around fly back towards DC and fire off a missile at the
pentagon....... don't buy that sorry.
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[kahuna]

I find it absolutely bizarre that folks actually believe these inane theories...

They have all been debunked...

There are many eyewitness accounts that describe the plane flying into the Pentagon. There
are photos of the parts of the aircraft that are all consistent with those of a large airliner There
are the remains of the passengers.

What the hell else do you want? Tell ya what. Santa will be here soon. Maybe if you ask him
really nicely, he'll bring you the answer Xmas morning. If not, I guess you'll have to wait for the
Easter Bunny.

[Guest]

(kahuna @ Oct. 29 2009,03:53) There are many eyewitness accounts that describe the plane flying into the Pentagon.  

strangely enough,all the eyewitness accounts  tell of a  smaller "aircraft"hitting the pentagon,NOT  a 757 airliner.One witness described it as a "missile with wings"Have you seen the only video evidence of  the impact? Can you honestly say that is an aircraft(757)  As i said earlier,if there has been a cover up-its at the pentagon.PS why no cctv footage taken from the pentagon?Surely it had cctv.

[Naang Faa]

All the eyewitness accounts?

Eye witness accounts




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[kahuna]

(travis bickle @ Oct. 29 2009,04:54) strangely enough,all the eyewitness accounts  tell of a  smaller "aircraft"hitting the pentagon,NOT  a 757 airliner.

Not true mate...Do a little research...

Witnesses Evidence


Most eyewitnesses who attempted to identify aircraft by model named either a Boeing 757 or a Boeing 737. Those jetliners, and the Airbus A320 named by one witness, all share the same basic shape.
Numerous eyewitnesses described a large silver twin-engine jetliner swooping down on the Pentagon. The accounts describe the aircraft on a collision course with the building, and variously describe it as disappearing into the building or into an explosion.

Among the accounts that attempt to name the plane's type, the most common are 757 and 737, with witness Albert Hemphill describing it as either a 757 or Airbus. The only accounts that relate sightings of a smaller jet, such as a commuter jet, were from witnesses who watched the attack from considerable distances.

757s, 737s, and the most common Airbus models all share the same basic features: two engines, one under each wing, with the wings attached to the bottom of the fuselage, and a fuselage whose diameter is about 14 feet. The fact that 737s have been in use for much longer than 757s could account for some witnesses identifying a 757 as a 737. Conversely, some witnesses could have based their identification of the plane as a 757 on news reports that they heard before their accounts were collected. The two accounts that name both 757 and Airbus 320 as candidates are suggestive of careful identification, since the A320 has a very similar shape to the 757-200. Eric Bart's witness compilation gives ample support to the idea that a large twin-engine jetliner with American Airlines markings approached the Pentagon, but is inconclusive as to the exact model of the aircraft.

[JaiDee]

(kahuna @ Oct. 29 2009,00:14) To create Forum Fodder

exactly.....same as the JFK debacle and aliens and ghosts and other weird shit...people need shit to chat about because it makes life more interesting.  If everyone in the world were simply pragmatists like myself it would be a really boring world!

    Question;  if the french or some other people sent a missle into the pentagon that day [that was actually pretty good, I had never heard THAT particular lunacy yet] what ever happened to all the people who were on the plane that day who died?

  I guess they are all part of the conspiracy also; abandoning jobs, family and friends forever and dissapearing into oblivion just to make us all believe that it was done by foreign terrorists.

[jimslim]

The fact that the majority of the terrorists were Saudi , who also happen to be America's allies ..................

Same story the world over , there are good terrorists and bad ones , just depends what side the establishment is on and where the power and money lies at any particular time .

Now I wonder why Gaddaffi is coming in from the cold

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(JaiDee @ Oct. 29 2009,06:00)

(kahuna @ Oct. 29 2009,00:14) To create Forum Fodder

exactly.....same as the JFK debacle and aliens and ghosts and other weird shit...people need shit to chat about because it makes life more interesting.  If everyone in the world were simply pragmatists like myself it would be a really boring world!

    Question;  if the french or some other people sent a missle into the pentagon that day [that was actually pretty good, I had never heard THAT particular lunacy yet] what ever happened to all the people who were on the plane that day who died?

I consider myself a real pragmatist jai dee-i like to see evidence for everything...I am merely pointing out that if there  is any cover up in the 9/11 events,it is the pentagon incidents that draw my attention. I never said the french did it,please dont twist my words to make a cheap shot-i said they first mooted the possibility it was a missile.Have you never heard  THAT before-if so,you surprise me.There is such a lack of cctv/video incident as well-isnt that surprising?.As i said before in previous posts,the only part of the 9/11 that doesnt hold water for me ,is the pentagon incident.Is n't healthy to question what we're told ?.Did you believe the "weapons of mass destruction" bullshit they fed us from the word go? The trouble is...not enough people question what they're told.

[JaiDee]

(travis bickle @ Oct. 29 2009,07:07) please dont twist my words to make a cheap shot-i said they first mooted the possibility it was a missile.Have you never heard  THAT before

sorry, no cheap shot intended, I must have misread your statement..... and no, I had never heard that; hell, when I am in the states all I DO is watch the tube, after all there is not much else to do and I never heard anything about it.

The only camera to catch anything that day was at the gate....and it showed a large explosion, but was timed 1 second apart and you can't see if it was a plane or not. But it was, hundreds died that day inside the pentagon [would have been more if that clown was a better pilot!] and all the people on that flight have never been accounted for, same as the other 3.

If nothing else, the fact that all 500+ people missing from those 4 planes as well as their crews proves there was nothing more to this than a well-executed plan carried out by muslim fanatics from Saidi Arabia; yes, our so-called ally but same as every country on earth home to many kooks. Bin-Laden and company did it and it sucks to compliment assholes like that but there's no doubt he did what he intended to do with 3 out of 4 planes.

[JaiDee]

(travis bickle @ Oct. 29 2009,07:07) Did you believe the "weapons of mass destruction" bullshit they fed us from the word go?.

No, I didn't...... Hans Blixt and the UN people who inspected for nuclear weapons said there were not any and I believed them, and frankly even if there was mustard gas or any other biological weapons in Iraq that was not enough for us to go in there.

I feel bad for Colin Powell.....he had to embarass himself and his whole staff by going in front of the UN with that nonsense as a pretext for war; he knew then and he knows now that it was all shite, but like the good soldier that he is he did as he was told.