Some useless but fun facts!

[Torurot]

>>Makes me conclude there is nothing to find and that sometimes the truth really IS that simple.>>

Time has a habit of either burying the "truth", often because the participants die/natural disaster etc, OR setting it free. Think of all the government archives that have been opened after a set period.

[Guest]

(JaiDee @ Oct. 24 2009,09:22)

(travis bickle @ Oct. 24 2009,07:00) Are you aware jd  et al,of the audiorecordings on the day of the shootings.They have proved since to within 90% certainty that the gunfire came from more than 1 direction.


I seem to recall also that the "killers" of both Martin Luther King and  RFK are now acknowledged as not the guilty men by anyone who has even a passing interests in these things

yes, well aware of the audio evidence ..... hell, one moto-cop's Mic was on the whole time. Still, however, no real proof of other shooters;  just speculation....90% doesn't mean much, really;  I need 100%.

   This is the first I have heard that anyone other than James Earl Ray shot MLK, or that Sirhan Sirhan shot RFK; ''now acknowledged as not the guilty men by anyone who has even a passing interests in these things'' ...... really? can you send up a few links to credible stories that tell us that the shooters were not guilty in those cases? Because I had never heard anything like that and I follow the news and historical events pretty closely.

 Again, controversy and disagreements about this stuff is good for boards like this;  my mind can't be changed but it's always good to see that people are at least thinking about these kind of things.  I think people simply refuse that a great man like JFK could be killed by someone so worthless and unimportant, that some other people just HAD to be involved to make it all worthwhile;  and yet, no real proof has yet to come out in 45 years.  Makes me conclude there is nothing to find and that sometimes the truth really IS that simple.

Hi jd,well i dont want to turn the debate into a martin luther king/robert kennedy thread,but in sirhans case-the fatal shot was fired from behind bobby kennedy at a distance of maximum 3 inches away-Sirhan was in front of him,no closer than 3 ft.Those are autopsy reports.Check out you tube"the cia in the assasination of Robert kennedy" Re-Martin Luther King-the man who "confessed"later retracted,and incidentally ,the King family(who undoubtedly know more about the case than you or I)do not think him guilty,and have incidentally brought a civil case against "the agents of government" responsible for the death of that great man.A case largely ignored by the US mainstream media.                                                                                    So back to JFK,the reason that people find it so hard to believe that Oswald acted alone is not because he was killed by someone so "worthless and unimportant".Jonn Lennon ,another great man was killed by a worthless and unimportant piece of shit,but i believe he acted alone.No,the reason I do not believe that Oswald acted alone is because of the Zapruder film-without that ,they would have got away with it.The Zapruder film clearly shows the kill shot comes from in front of him-from the area of the grassy knoll.If you cannot see that youre in denial.By the way -if you want a laugh,check out Bill HICKS-JFK,on youtube again.(sorry-i cant do the links things)Finally ,check out another watergate "burglar" I alluded to on an earlier thread.The infamous E Howard Hunt.Please google "watergate burglar death bed confession"There is also the full interview in rolling stone magazine ,with his son,if you want to look around for it.Howard Hunt was one of the "hoboes"fotographed at deeley plaza(acording to his son also)Look at the fotos yourself-what do you think?

[Lefty]

  Good stuff Travis. I'll buy you a drink whenever you come to Pattaya.

You are so right about the Zapruder tape. Anyone who has ever killed or seen an animal or person killed with a firearm, and I have, knows firsthand that the energy from the impact of the bullet causes the subject struck to move away from the direction they were hit from. The closer the shooter is to the subject targeted, the more obvious this will be because of the higher velocity and energy of the bullet. Also, hitting bone, such as skull, will increase the effect. Obviously when hit, JFK's head recoils backwards and to the left. I've seen that tape, dozens of times and it shows that, indicating he was struck from a right front angle. Impossible shot from where Oswald was.

[Ozzie]

I am not necessarily convinced there was a conspiracy but I am more than convinced there was more than one gunman.


I have followed the assassination for about 20 years and even went to Dallas and the JFK museum back in 2005. I would say to any interested just read all the different possibilities use common sense and logic and make your own opinion.

[JaiDee]

(Ozzie @ Oct. 24 2009,19:18) just read all the different possibilities use common sense and logic and make your own opinion.

Agreed, Oz .....I have done that and have come to the conclusion I have come to and that certainly hasn't been changed on this thread;  but damn it, looks like I won't be getting a drink from my buddy Lefty next time I am in Pattaya!   90% is not 100%  .....again, not conclusive proof and  multiple hand claps and buying beers for people who agree with your viewpoint isn't going to convince me differently, sorry. 

  and in any case I haven't heard that 90% number of audio certainty that someome threw out; can we get a link to that? again, actual PROOF?

 Damn it, conspiracy people just can't get around that one small word!!

  How about the picture Pacman says he has seen which shows a shooter on the grassy knoll....can't find it now?   Damn.....so the fantastical stories and wishful thinking I have been hearing since I was 5 years old still can't be 100%  backed up; only speculated on and we are TOLD THEY MUST BE SO BECAUSE I AM USING CAPITAL LETTERS AND EXCLAMATION POINTS!!!!!!!

    Lastly .....only ONE person has thrown out a name here of who may have done this; me.  Can't any of you experts tell us exactly who else did this famous crime? Surely with all the evidence  you have compiled you must know who it is by now, yes? I mean, it's been 46 years!

 This should be funny.......

[JaiDee]

(travis bickle @ Oct. 24 2009,18:55) the reason I do not believe that Oswald acted alone is because of the Zapruder film-without that   THEY  would have got away with it.

Thanks Travis, that is the key word I am looking for!!

 They ..... who is they? Please, solve the mystery for all of us!


  '' well, it could have been the Mob; it could have been Castro; it could have been the CIA; it could have been the Russians....actually; .... well,  we really don't know and we don't have any actual proof that someone else did it, we are just sure that someone else did''!

 I love reading this science fiction stuff when I wake up, starting out the day with a laugh is good for the soul.

[blake]

The military and the CIA loved Kennedy. They had no reason to kill him
He stopped the deployment of Russian missiles in Cuba (the famous Cuba crises)
He started the massive build up of troops in Vietnam (something most people like to forget)
He blocked the Russians attempt to squeeze West-Berlin to death (ich bin ein Berliner).

People who believe in conspiracy theories have a tendency to be very selective.

[Guest]

JD,if you look to any of the links ive mentioned,and googled what ive suggested to google,you will see that there are several names mentioned as those responsible for the killing. You still havent addressed the question of the direction of the kill shot.Anything that doesnt fit in with your accepted version you ignore.You have also ignored the question of why Oswald let kennedy drive by him(an easier shot) then shot him from the rear.The reason i suggest was to co-ordinate the kill with another,to maximise their chances of success.What did Oswald say when he was arrested?"I'm just the patsy"wasn't it?Also,when Jack Ruby,in the last days of terminal cancer passed a note to his trusted jailer in prison saying"there was a conspiracy-i was told to silence Oswald" These things are easily checkable with a little research.Incidentally,one of those mentioned by E howard Hunt,as being involved in the murder of Jfk,is also pictured in the lobby of the Ambassador hotel,the night Rfk  was murdered. His name is David Morales.As for the audio recordings-as i said i cannot do the uplinks thing-so here goes:-google -acoustic evidence JFK-michael o dell.Quote"The 1978 House Select Comitee concluded there was probably a conspiracy to kill JFK.This conclusion is primarily based on acoustic evidence contained in Dallas police recordings..."It goes on to say....(there is ) "95% probability a shot fired from the grassy knoll" My apologies for quoting a 90%probability on an earlier post.

[Guest]

(blake @ Oct. 24 2009,21:18) The military and the CIA loved Kennedy. They had no reason to kill him
He stopped the deployment of Russian missiles in Cuba (the famous Cuba crises)
He started the massive build up of troops in Vietnam (something most people like to forget)
He blocked the Russians attempt to squeeze West-Berlin to death (ich bin ein Berliner).

People who believe in conspiracy theories have a tendency to be very selective.

Just a quick one-The CIA hated Kennedy,he threatened to "break them into a thousand pieces,and scatter them to the wind" after the bay of pigs debacle. Vietnam did not get into full swing until LBJ came on the scene ,and indeed Kennedy might have ended it,who knows.The cuban missile crisis and the berlin wall-what difference would any other president made to those two things-completely irrelevent.

[pacman]

(JaiDee @ Oct. 24 2009,19:53) How about the picture Pacman says he has seen which shows a shooter on the grassy knoll....can't find it now?

If I have seen that picture, so have millions more. Would anyone here have thought to cut it out & put it in a scrapbook?

I don't like the inference that I invented it. It appears to have disappeared from history, hence my question - "have you seen it?"

It doesn't prove the case anyway, I vaguely recall grainy people holding what could be umbrellas. But it was men on the knoll in suits & sunglasses taken at the time of Kennedy's cavalcade.

Seeing the Zapruder film after all these years made me reflect on that November day & as has been stated, nothing we write makes any difference.

What is irritating is JaiDee's insistance that nothing will change his mind from what was force fed to him by an obedient media.

I would like JaiDee to address the following, regardless of who did or didn't pull the trigger -

why did Oswald have to be killed?

why have so many people who were there that day hunted down & killed?

why has the Warren Commission been so widely discredited for so many years?

how did Jack Ruby find his way into the Dallas police department at exactly the right moment when Oswald was being transferred?

Any vaguely intelligent comment would suffice, after all, we know your mind is made up...

[pacman]

(JaiDee @ Oct. 24 2009,20:33) They ..... who is they? Please, solve the mystery for all of us!

What a ridiculous question...        

How about this one - what was Oswald's motive for killing the President?

He was described as catatonic when he was taken into custody, not unlike he had been stupified by some narcotic drug.

What if Oswald was doing someone elses bidding? The CIA perhaps? Don't laugh, they orchestrated Oswald's murder so he could never reveal the truth.

[Lefty]

(JaiDee @ Oct. 24 2009,19:53)  but damn it, looks like I won't be getting a drink from my buddy Lefty next time I am in Pattaya!   90% is not 100%  .....again, not conclusive proof and  multiple hand claps and buying beers for people who agree with your viewpoint isn't going to convince me differently, sorry. 

I just took you are your word when you told me something to the effect that you would very likely never come again to Pattaya. And if you do, I just assumed you'd want to buy me a drink, since I'm such a cool guy.

Since I was the one posting the   and offering to buy drinks for those who's posts impressed me, please rest assured my doing so was in no way done as an attempt to change your mind. Promise.

[Lefty]

(travis bickle @ Oct. 24 2009,21:29)

(blake @ Oct. 24 2009,21:18) The military and the CIA loved Kennedy. They had no reason to kill him
He stopped the deployment of Russian missiles in Cuba (the famous Cuba crises)
He started the massive build up of troops in Vietnam (something most people like to forget)
He blocked the Russians attempt to squeeze West-Berlin to death (ich bin ein Berliner).

People who believe in conspiracy theories have a tendency to be very selective.

Just a quick one-The CIA hated Kennedy,he threatened to "break them into a thousand pieces,and scatter them to the wind" after the bay of pigs debacle. Vietnam did not get into full swing until LBJ came on the scene ,and indeed Kennedy might have ended it,who knows.The cuban missile crisis and the berlin wall-what difference would any other president made to those two  things-completely irrelevent.

That's a bingo...and another bingo.     (some more hand claps, since some here like them so much)  



Thanks Travis. Saved me having to respond. The CIA loved JFK? That's funny.

[kahuna]

(Lefty @ Oct. 25 2009,06:22) Since I was the one posting the   and offering to buy drinks for those who's posts impressed me, please rest assured my doing so was in no way done as an attempt to change your mind. Promise.

Buy me a drink...I'll say whatever you want me to say...I'm easy...

BTW...I hear you should be wearing that helmet in your avatar to bed these days...

Heal quickly my friend...I'll be in town in a few days...

[Lefty]

Hurry Uncle Kahuna. I need you take care me.