Muslim Europe

[PigDogg]

(jimslim @ Aug. 08 2009,08:59) The vast majority of Muslims are decent people same as Christians .

 

It's the leaders, both East and West, that are fucked up.

[fleeing]

(Tomcat @ Aug. 08 2009,14:02) Right Wing Loony eh!.

Well you said it........  

[Dieter]

Hey Austria and Germany said No to Turkey in the EU.....
You wil find all Muslims at Heathrow.....

Dieter

Why love Muslim Germany??

[Guest]

I can't stand muslims and infact.......apart from Waros in Phuket, I refuse to do business with them.
Easy for me cos they don't drink or gamble  

[Dieter]

and you don´t get when see there girls in public,,,,,

Dieter

[anthony70]

i used to carry serious anger towards muslims, but having done some research i now feel sorry for them.
they are brought up and brain washed with so much shite , they dont have the inteligence to question what has been taught.
they will live the life dictated to them, and, even though some of them are homosexual, they still get married , and do what is expected.
they will never be able to live life to the fullest, because someone says they have to do this and that .

with all the vineyards around the world, they are not allowed alcohol. why.?
even if we believe the jesus stuff happened, him and his crew all drank wine.
how can a chemical like alcohol, brewed so easily from basic natural ingredients be so wrong.

then we get onto this virgin nonsense.
they are taught that if they behave in this life, they will be rewarded with virgins.
now lets just look at what that actually is.
it is a female , in human form , with a piece of skin stretched across the inner walls of her vagina, called a hymen.
thats the reward.
being able to pierce a piece of skin with your penis.
big deal.
kill loads of falang , get some skin.
utter bollox.

and all this is based on the fact that if there is in a next life, you will be of a human form.
but nobody will ever know.

[azza33]

(PigDogg @ Aug. 09 2009,01:39)

(jimslim @ Aug. 08 2009,08:59) The vast majority of Muslims are decent people same as Christians .

 

It's the leaders, both East and West, that are fucked up.

BUT

The extremes of the thinking of the minority few are frightening
and we have all seen what they justify as holy acts!

Now the Christians are not exactly free of blame ... the crusades are not a bright point in our history

But the interesting thing is to actually find one of these Muslims nutters and have a bit of a logical argument.
You'll find that they are so brainwashed that its impossible to reason with them

It always staggers me how the hatred of the west is directed at the US (not without blame by any stretch). But when you point out to these fools that the US issue is a minute party of history and perhaps Britain has caused more grief over the centuries they don't even want to listen. They are so programmed to hate hate hate ....

And why do they want a Muslim vs Infidel holy war... Are some of their minds in the dark ages? (that's rhetorical folks)


Anyways...

My belief on immigration is that all are welcome to cross borders and enjoy the worlds offering. But if you choose to live in another country - you must adopt its cultures and values. It should be part and parcel with immigration law.

Laws should be made so that immigrants are forcibly removed if they are not seen to be adapting and are promoting violent antisocial behavior. We will never change extremist types so the best option is to get rid of them.
None of this trial by jury crap - just let the police present the details to a judge and give them the power to make a decision based on the evidence (no need for a crime just the intent or the desire should be enough).
No chances - no questions - why take any risks - either fit in or fuck off

[BlueBallz]

Thats the big difference between immigrants now and the LEGAL immigrants that helped make America great. Most of the former dont assimilate and the latter couldnt WAIT t assimilate. he reason I dont speak Italian today is that my grandparents INSISTED their kids speak English first and last.

Also who says we have to let any immigrants, legal one, in anyway. I said right after 9-11 that there should be a moratorium on ALL immigration. Yeah that happened!!! Oh and yeah get REALLY tough on the illegal ones-yeah that happened. Its all rather depressing and frightening at the same time.

Oh yeah its not that Thailand has ANY problems at all with Muslim extremism now does it???

BE CAREFUL OUT THERE!!

[blonde_havoc]

Why do Muslims blow EACH OTHER up? Why do Shiites hate Sunnis who hate whatever sect there is? Why did they assassinate Bhutto? What the fuck is wrong with some of these people?

It goes without saying that the west has to shoulder their share of the blame, but come fucking on. Quit blowing each other up and BE PEACEFUL. This is the shit religion does to people. It teaches people to HATE and that's wrong.

[PigDogg]

(blonde_havoc @ Aug. 08 2009,21:16) Why do Muslims blow EACH OTHER up? Why do Shiites hate Sunnis who hate whatever sect there is? Why did they assassinate Bhutto? What the fuck is wrong with some of these people?

The were doing the same thing not so long ago.

And genocide in Africa too.

Greed and hate are powerful forces.

[pacman]

(azza33 @ Aug. 09 2009,07:46) Now the Christians are not exactly free of blame ... the crusades are not a bright point in our history  

WTF! I think the Crusades are a great example of the type of level headed thinking we need today.

After Saladin seized Jerusalem, Pope Gregory called on Christians to regain the Holy Lands. This Crusade was a mission to repel Islam, the Christians didn't invade without reason.

Richard the Lionheart defeated the 2nd Islamic Uprising. The 3rd started in the 20th century, a pity that it isn't recognised for what it is. And where are our Lionhearted leaders today? Can you imagine Ban Ki-Moon trying to rally the troops?

This Crusade (it can be argued there were 23 separate Crusades) was not fought under the Geneva Convention, there were horrific atrocities performed by both sides, but to say this decisive victory was not a high point in our history misrepresents just what happened.

On the other hand, this comment I do agree with :

But the interesting thing is to actually find one of these Muslims nutters and have a bit of a logical argument.
You'll find that they are so brainwashed that its impossible to reason with them  

[Guest]

and christian religious extremists are easy to talk to and not nuts?

and all is forgiven if you repent on your death bed? that's a great way to promote good behavior. Come on, all religions have some less than logical/useful facets to them.

I'm sure glad we apparently don't allow any Muslims here as this thread might seem a bit racist otherwise.

And pacman, sorry, but what business exactly did we have in the middle east to justify the crusades? and how did they conform to the teachings of the bible?

[pacman]

    A bit racist? This topic is dangerously racist & that is the very reason why there is never any rational debate about what is happening.

I am sure there are Muslims reading the forum & I invite them to contribute to this discussion. We all stand to learn something.

As to your questions about the Crusades, you only draw attention to your lack of historical knowledge.

The Crusades have widely been thought of as a Christian invasion of the Holy Lands. That is a gross misrepresentation of the truth.

The Kings of France, Spain & England responded to the call to repel the Islamic invasion of the Holy Lands & seizure of Jerusalem.

There is your justification. As to conforming to biblical teachings, I can't answer that except to say they carried the blessing of Pope Gregory & the prayers of all good christians.

The Christian soldiers plus the Knights Templar, they were all doing "God's work", to them there was no holier cause.

I question why you would even ask such a thing. Do you hold these armies in contempt? This all happened in the 12th century & is well recorded. No-one needs to apologise for what was considered the most just of all wars.

[Guest]

I would rather be ignorant about something than not being open minded about it; I can always educate myself.

As for the pope sanctioning it equating to squaring it with the bible, I don't think so.  And NOT all of the crusades were sanctioned. I believe you are referring to the original crusades only.  And I thought those had some help from the roman empire, no?

Your level of condescension may be justified, but usually a citation is in order. Especially for "what was considered the most just of all wars."  Unless you mean considered most just solely by those who waged it in which case all wars are considered most just

As to the original topic, as someone posted their lack of assimilating the culture of europe is rather sad; although Jewish people tend to keep their own traditions as well, no?

The other point of course is that the young muslims will be the ones to support the welfare states of Europe, no?

[donnnnnny]

imagine the uprising if a christian army invaded saudi arabia and took mecca
there would be hell to pay