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  • #46
    I didn't want to start a new thread, so I did a "search" and this title (though the thread content is rather bizarre ...) seemed the most appropriate to post to to share a new (for me) situation.

    Many old troopers on the TS/LB scene on this forum (but will they all come back and pay? ...), so I thought I'd float this and if any of you (old and new troopers alike) are interested, your comments are appreciated.

    I've been an admirer of the transgendered "forever", but I feel like a "newbie" now.  Here's why:
    When in the LOS, I always meet up with some of the gurls I've known over the years. The other day I was on the phone with one of them who had just completed a number of months as a monk (as many Buddhists in Thailand do --- that for the sake of anyone unfamiliar with the culture still). She said she had had lots of time to think during that time as a monk, and she has decided to stop being a LB and will be a man from now on (so now I switch to "he" when I refer to this person).

    I have always enjoyed this person's company (hard for me as I write this to use "he", "him, "his" --- interesting ...) in AND out of bed. This is someone I feel comfortable with (no GF pressure --- it is what it is), have a good time with and just plain like as a person. So, he (there I've used it ...) asks about meeting up. I hesitate for a split-second, but recover quickly and say of course we'll meet up. And we will ... my (selfish) concern is how I will react to this guy who I have only known as a hot (hot to me, of course) gurl.

    I've never experienced this before, so can I be cool with it, I ask myself. A kind of test of my humanity --- if I liked this person as a person before, why should his appearance make any difference? What if he suggests we go to bed as we always have? I am just not into sex with males (non-judgmental --- it is just not me ... AND LBs are male, yes, but not really ... we all(?) here(?) know what I mean ...).  So, do I lose this person's acquaintance over something like appearance? Wouldn't that be as superficial as dropping a bro who'd gained a lot of weight since the last monger there together? I wouldn't do that, I am happy to say, but will I be the same with this guy? And what about the part of me that is curious to see what he looks like as a male now? --- is that the voyeur in me objectifying him?

    In all my years involved in the TS scene, I've never experienced this.  Of course, we know anecdotally that as the LBs age they may revert to their male versions of their selves and go back to their hometown,  for example, but I've just never known someone who did it.  This is quite different --- this is a person I have known for a number of years and whom I like as a person.  

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    • #47
      Really interesting post. Thanks. Can you please let us know how the meet up goes?
      Rocky

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      • #48
        just having read this thread, I am dizzy now
        damn, that's confusing

        my take on this:
        Tomboys would not be available to or interested in most of us, I have a feeling
        why would I feel gay if I was having sex with a girl who just look a bit boyish?
        why should I feel gay if I am having sex with an lb who I really see as a girl?

        I think that we all have a straight and a gay side AND I know that since I like both, female looking lbs and boyish looking girls, my straight side has been much more tolerant on my gay side

        well, perhaps I just wanted to add my own comment of little value to this twisty thread and question ...

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        • #49
          (PILOS @ Apr. 04 2010,22:48) So, do I lose this person's acquaintance over something like appearance? Wouldn't that be as superficial as dropping a bro who'd gained a lot of weight since the last monger there together? I wouldn't do that, I am happy to say, but will I be the same with this guy?
          Your analogy of the friend who gained weight is way off, in my opinion. Unless, of course, you had sex with your friend.

          If I were in your shoes, the scenario would probably be as follows ... I developed a "relationship" with the LB because I thought that she was hot and I wanted to fuck her. She wanted me to fuck her too, so bingo, there is a match. Everyone is happy. And I continued to see her every trip, because the sex was hot and she was fun.

          Fast forward, she is no longer a LB, she is a man. So I no longer have any interest in having sex with her (now a him). Now if I really enjoyed their company totally independent of gender or the sex we used to have, then I *might* meet this person for a meal or coffee. But hanging out with Thai guys usually doesn't appeal to me, so I think I would pass.

          Carrying a baggage of western guilt around Thailand (i.e. "I really should see this guy, even though he is not the hot ladyboy I used to fuck") is a good way to put a damper on your holiday. If you see him, do so only because you really, really want to. Declining invitations is very, very easy. Act like a Thai and give some reason of plausible deniability and everyone will be happy.

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          • #50
            (PILOS @ Apr. 04 2010,07:48) --- interesting ...) in AND out of bed.
            A good reason to see him and go to bed with him if turns out you're still turned on to him.

            It's interesting just as it's interesting to go to bed with a ladyboy after she's had the chop if you've gone with her beforehand.

            Good to hear you'll be back in the LOS bro!

            Re the whole "tomboy" issue, I find androgynous looking girls a real turnon but have no interest in bulldykes.

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            • #51
              and what do you call this lesbian that has been watching my private session for 3 consecutive days now?
              You Can Take Taneisha Out Of The Party, But You Can't Take The Party Out Of Taneisha  

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              • #52
                Very lucky
                If she aint got a dick, she's just a chick!  

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                • #53
                  Interesting stuff. EyeMahk nailed it for me; and like PD, I find androgynous girls a turnon.

                  Only thing I would add is that in the future, I believe it would be best to create a new thread rather than open a completely unrelated 2 year old thread and post new comments in it.
                  Making newbie mistakes since 2009 so you don't have to




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                  • #54
                    (laputanegra @ Apr. 05 2010,04:31) and what do you call this lesbian that has been watching my private session for 3 consecutive days now?
                    Hi. I would say a lesbian. She like most of us BMs is realising a broader definition of femininity. She likes you girl (and i emphasise the word girl).

                    Cheers.

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                    • #55
                      (PILOS @ Apr. 04 2010,14:48) I didn't want to start a new thread, so I did a "search" and this title (though the thread content is rather bizarre ...) seemed the most appropriate to post to to share a new (for me) situation.
                      It's a shame this 'new topic' was posted on the arse-end of a load of bollocks, especially when you consider some of the awful topics people start up a new thread with  

                      Pilos' situation is very original amongst all the LB discussions and it's a shame it hasn't got it's own thread.

                      Interesting to here what occurs before this thread goes double-off-topic.
                      Meum cerebrum nocet

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                      • #56
                        I agree with PD, meet up cause you like the person and and if they still turn you on, go for it.

                        If their (re)transition means you no longer find them sexually appealing, just be honest about it, that shouldn't be a reason to lose a friendship...

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                        • #57
                          Lots of interesting feedback, thanks, gentlemen.  [ I had figured that about starting the new thread; I just didn't want to seem presumptuous ... and it IS "yet another gay topic"  ]

                          The "interesting" part to me, PD, was that I felt uncomfortable referring to this person as a "he" [no smiley to show embarrassment?!  Have we no shame here at all??   ].  I take your point, and it will be very interesting for me to see how I feel in the situation.  We never stop learning about our simple/complicated selves, do we?    

                          EM, unfortunately, did not "nail" it, DT, as he ASSumes    I'd be carrying around guilt (interesting projection of self, EM ...).  His take on how to handle it is one way, of course, and I appreciate your time and effort of reading and posting, EM.

                          Writing this AND getting the BMs' feedback ("interesting" that the Filipino gurl who could have provided an interesting take ... didn't) has been useful.  I'll post back, DC, to follow up.  

                          Cheers.  
                          More, More, More ... how do you like it?, how do you like it? ... More, More, More ...

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                          • #58
                            Yeah, you really should move this to it's own topic, it's pretty interesting. It sort of mirrors the femboy topics, but it's not really the same since it's a guy transitioning the other way. It is something I consider when I consider older ladyboys, who may have more smarts & perspective & better engrish, but they are perhaps not as committed now to "realness" as their youthful looks fade (or in the PI they may have to get a job that demands a male/androgenous appearance.)

                            If you can handle it you may find out something about yourself.... honesty all around here.... I think he would understand if you talked it through honestly with him no matter how it ends up.

                            And I hope you are able to post your experience here to, I'd like to read it & see how it develops.

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                            • #59
                              Interesting...

                              Just yesterday a fellow BM  told me a story of a ladyboy he likes to spend a few hours with whose
                              significant other is a GG who wants to be a man...

                              The concept seemed bizarre to both of us...

                              But I found two things very interesting...

                              That guys who have no problem spending time with boys who want to be girls, would find that the
                              thought of girls who want to be boys to be a disgusting thought...Go figure...

                              Secondly, I thought it was interesting that his ladyboy friend was confiding her personal life to him...
                              You can indeed find honesty in strange places...

                              On the new topic...I personally have met a few ladyboys who go back and forth...ladyboy to boy...
                              boy to ladyboy...

                              I personally have no problem with their transitions...In my mind they are all boys...
                              "It's not Gay if you beat them up afterwards."  --- Anon

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                              • #60
                                (kahuna @ Apr. 06 2010,01:47) Interesting...

                                Just yesterday a fellow BM  told me a story of a ladyboy he likes to spend a few hours with whose
                                significant other is a GG who wants to be a man...

                                The concept seemed bizarre to both of us...
                                We had a young Japanese F2M guy stay with us in Bangkok while he
                                recovered from surgery.He was the boyfriend of one of our girls..He was
                                lovely,a really nice fella..

                                According to the girls, there are a few girls in kings corner who have
                                F2M boyfriends.

                                PILOS.. a friends a friend, no matter what.

                                x
                                Forgot how this forum works  

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