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  • #16
    Originally posted by (grunyen @ Jan. 24 2006,07:39)
    Hang on a second...Just trying to sort out some facts. I'm all for people table-thumping their opinions, I just like to see things be clear and not have mental mud.
    I hate when that happens... Drives me crazy.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by (grunyen @ Jan. 24 2006,19:39)
      Hang on a second.

      I don't mind political discourse and I'm not defending any specific adminsitration or party, but I can't stand when subjects are all mish-mashed and confused.

      This porn search log has nothing to do with the Patriot Act. nothing. They are completely unrelated.

      This was also not ordered by Bush or Ashcroft or Cheney. Ashcroft isn't even the Attorney General anymore.

      This information was requested by the Justice Department as part of a finding of fact in relation to research on renewing or altering the COPA. (child online protection act).
      (Now, now might argue that the JD is acting under order from the administration, and I won't necessarily disagree with you).

      The COPA was overturned by the Supreme Court, something you should all be happy about.

      The purpose of the finding of fact research is to determine whether or not private filtering software actually works as a deterent to children accessing porn online.

      Microsft and Yahoo did both turn over information, but it was only search requests and results. There is no personally identifiable information in the results.

      AGAIN - let me reiterate that I'm not debating anything here. Just trying to sort out some facts. I'm all for people table-thumping their opinions, I just like to see things be clear and not have mental mud.
      Until the records are entered into public records, there's no basis for believing the story that there is no personally identifiable information.

      But, it's not the engines I have a problem with. It's just none of the DOJ's business.

      As for the Patriot act reference, that was tongue in cheek.
      Retired the top 12.  Need a new dirty dozen.  

      Update: The new list is coming together: Nong Poy, Anita, Nok, Gif, Liisa Winkler, Kay, Nina Poon.  Is it possible to find 5 more?  Until then, GGs:  Jessica Alba, Yuko Ogura, Zhang Ziyi, Maggie Q, and Gong Li.

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