JonBenet Ramsey Arrest

[donnnnnny]

might just be a very smart bloke

[stogie bear]

(donnnnnny @ Aug. 18 2006,14:03) might  just be a  very smart  bloke

I was thinking the same thing. Apparently he was being held for unrelated sex crimes in Thailand and one way to avoid doing bird in a Thai pen would be to admit to a more serious crime in his home country!

They'll probably find him innocent and he'll be charged with wasting police time and back out on the streets of the good ol' USA!

[jellybean]

(stogie bear @ Aug. 18 2006,10:50) I was thinking the same thing. Apparently he was being held for unrelated sex crimes in Thailand and one way to avoid doing bird in a Thai pen would be to admit to a more serious crime in his home country!

They'll probably find him innocent and he'll be charged with wasting police time and back out on the streets of the good ol' USA!

My sentiments exactly SB, If he is prepared to cop for that serious a crime, what else has he been up to???

[katoeylover]

In the British Times today, His ex-wife who divorced him for having kiddie porn, states she was with him all over christmas '96 - what the fuck is going on here? who or what is he covering for?

[Guest]

I also considered the possibility that he is dieing of AIDS and is taking payment from Mr. Ramsay to admit tot he killing.

Maybe Ramsay will leave the money to his family or something?

[BAM]

(grunyen @ Aug. 19 2006,01:03) I also considered the possibility that he is dieing of AIDS and is taking payment from Mr. Ramsay to admit tot he killing.

Maybe Ramsay will leave the money to his family or something?

Oh that€™s a good one...... the plot thickens

[PigDogg]

(Bam @ Aug. 19 2006,02:52) Oh that€™s a good one...... the plot thickens  

And he bears a resemblence to Lee Harvey Oswald.

[Randyman]

(PigDogg @ Aug. 19 2006,11:09)

(Bam @ Aug. 19 2006,02:52) Oh that€™s a good one...... the plot thickens  

And he bears a resemblence to Lee Harvey Oswald.    

Lee Harvy Oswald my ass

Don Knotts lives

randyman

[Snick]

Wow the story is getting even stranger, it turns out he was also going to The Pratunam Clinic and was thinking about getting a sex change.

[Snick]

Karr visited gender bender center

New twist in bizarre tale €“ creep
treated at transsexual clinic

BY MATHEW SCOTT in Bangkok
and ADAM LISBERG in Boulder, Colo.
DAILY NEWS WRITERS

The Thai sex-change clinic that alleged JonBenet Ramsey killer John Mark Karr (below) visited is famed for sponsoring the World's Most Beautiful Transsexual competition (above).
The creep who confessed to killing JonBenet Ramsey had another bizarre secret up his sleeve in the months before his arrest - he was visiting a surgical center that specializes in sex-change operations.

Staff at the Pratunam Clinic, Thailand's top transgender center, told the Daily News yesterday that 41-year-old John Mark Karr was a patient of theirs - but wouldn't say how close he was to getting "sexual reassignment" surgery.

"Yes, he had treatment here," a representative said. "He was our patient. He came a number of times. But we cannot give out details on his treatment as we are ethically bound to keep these things private."

The disclosure came a day after The News reported that Karr sought cosmetic surgeons' help changing his face in the anything-goes sex bazaars of Bangkok. In his nine months there, he made just 12 phone calls from his seedy hotel room - nine of them to plastic surgeons.

Two calls were to the Pratunam Clinic, which specializes in putting men under the knife to become "ladyboys" and also sponsors the annual World's Most Beautiful Transsexual competition. It charges $1,600 for the surgery, which could cost $25,000 in the West. Karr was nabbed in Bangkok last week for JonBenet's 1996 murder, blabbing to cops and reporters that he accidentally killed the little girl in an assault motivated by obsessive love for her.

A Thai official said Karr will be deported and sent back to the U.S. on a flight to Los Angeles this morning. "Generally he is fine, but a little bit nervous as the time of his departure approaches," immigration police head Lt. Gen. Suwat Tumrongsiskul said.

Colorado authorities tracked him down after reading four years' worth of twisted e-mails between Karr and Michael Tracey, 58, a University of Colorado journalism professor who has produced documentaries about JonBenet's murder - and who tried to draw out more details about Karr through their hundreds of messages.

"You told me once that your mother tended to raise you as a girl," Tracey wrote in one exchange obtained by the Rocky Mountain News. "This must have had a powerful effect on your developing sexuality - confusion maybe?"

"Michael, I will not discuss my sexuality as if it is a psychological disorder," Karr wrote back under an alias.

The e-mails also show Karr felt a kinship with singer Michael Jackson - who has his own experiences with facial surgery and obsessive attachments to children.

"I am trapped in a world that does not understand," Karr wrote. "I can understand people like Michael Jackson and feel sympathy when he suffers as he has. . . . I do think that he is sexually attracted to certain children but could never divulge this." The exchanges began four years ago, after Karr met a Boulder writer when they were both staying in a hostel above a famous Paris bookstore. They immediately revealed his fixation on the pageant princess.

"Until he started talking about the Ramseys, he seemed perfectly normal," Michael Sandrock, 48, told The News yesterday outside his home in the Boulder foothills, recalling his 2002 encounter with Karr.

"I didn't get the feeling that he might have done it. I just thought he was obsessed about it," Sandrock said. "I thought he was just someone who was fanatic about the case. But when I saw he got arrested, I wasn't surprised. I don't know whether he did it or not, but I could see where he had the potential.

Karr, who identified himself only as "John," said he had been to Boulder and had come to Paris from Amsterdam. When he learned Sandrock was a sportswriter for the Boulder Daily Camera and a friend of Tracey, he wouldn't stop talking about the case until Sandrock left a few days later - mentioning Boulder landmarks, obscure pieces of evidence, even names of reporters on the story.

"I'm really not interested in the case, and when I told John Karr that, he was kind of surprised," Sandrock said. "I said, 'I think the parents did it.' He kind of just smiled and said, 'The parents. Heh.' "

"I remember thinking this is just like from a Dostoevsky novel," the writer said. "I always had the feeling that if I had pursued it more then, he was ready to tell me something. I just remember feeling that he was ready to unload, and it turned out Prof. Tracey was the one."

Sandrock put Karr and Tracey in touch by e-mail, starting their four-year exchange. Investigators working for the Ramseys used routing information attached to the messages to track Karr to the Paris area this year, and they briefly considered tracking him down there to surreptitiously obtain a DNA sample from him.

"We had traced this guy back to France, and we were getting to the point where getting DNA was a possibility," investigator John San Agustin told The News.

The Boulder County district attorney got involved in the case before they could travel to France, though, setting last week's arrest in motion.

Karr was given a mouth-swab DNA test in Bangkok, according to a law enforcement official. He will be given another DNA test when he returns to the U.S., the official said.

Meanwhile, details emerged yesterday of an earlier chance to verify or discredit Karr's claim that he killed the 6-year-old. The Sonoma County, Calif., sheriff's department eyed him in the killing in 2001, when he was busted in a child porn case.

Karr's lawyer at the time, Marie Case, said cops told her, " 'Hey, we're looking at this guy.' . . . There was possibly some involvement," but inexplicably lost interest in him before testing his DNA. "Somebody dropped the ball," Case told The Washington Post. "It never went anywhere."

Boulder prosecutors have also been slow to try to corroborate Karr's confession, the Denver Post reported yesterday, never talking to Sonoma officials, former employers or his ex-wife to compare his handwriting with the ransom note or determine his whereabouts on Dec. 26, 1996.

Meanwhile, JonBenet's father, John Ramsey, was hounded by camera crews as he took his son to college at Purdue University, attorney Lin Wood said yesterday.

"He cannot go back to his home in Michigan because it is surrounded by the media. Last night, I've never heard him so angry. He is worried about his son's physical safety."

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/sto...p-374806c.html

[post-op lover]

Those crazy teachers. Always looking for trouble.

[katoeylover]

Nice to see the Americans treat their murder suspects so well:

Business class flight from Bangkok to LA, where he enjoyed gourmet food and Champagne....

[rxpharm]

A bit more confirmation Karr was thinking about SRS (maybe the ultimate disguise?)

John Mark Karr had his sideburns and hair under his chin removed with lasers at the Siam Swan Cosmetic Clinic in downtown Bangkok during four sessions from March to July, dermatologist Dr. Setthakarn Attakonpan told reporters.

"He wanted to prepare himself to do a sex-change operation," added Setthakarn.

Meanwhile, a doctor at a Bangkok clinic specializing in sex-change surgery said Karr had come in for treatment.

"He was one of my patients," Dr. Thep Vechavisit of the Pratunam Polyclinic said on Sunday, refusing to provide further details.

Karr was being held in Los Angeles on Monday as he awaited extradition to Boulder, Colorado for questioning.

The 41-year-old landed in Los Angeles around 9:30 p.m. local time on Sunday following the 15-hour flight from Thailand, where he flew business class and sipped champagne.

He returned to the United States voluntarily, and was not handcuffed before or during the flight.

Carolyn French, a spokeswoman for the Boulder County District Attorney's office, said plans were underway to extradite the former grade-school teacher based on a murder warrant issued in Colorado.

Karr told reporters in Thailand that he was with 6-year-old JonBenet when she died in the basement of her home on Dec. 26, 1996, but that her death was an accident.

Karr told reporters he loved Ramsey and that her death was unintentional. However, when asked by a reporter if he was innocent he answered "no."

U.S. officials have been silent about what Karr told them during interrogations.

The theory that an intruder killed JonBenet is supported by unexplained evidence: a mysterious boot print found outside the house after her body was found Dec. 26, 1996; marks on her body some say could have been made by a stun gun; and signs that someone may have entered the house through a basement window.

Then there is the DNA of an unknown male found in blood in JonBenet's underpants. Tests in 1997 and 1999 indicated it was from a male who was not a member of the Ramsey family.

Karr, who was once detained on charges of possessing child pornography, travelled to Asia to look for teaching jobs. He taught in at least two Thai schools.

With files from The Associated Press

[Guest]

I wonder if he had completed the SRS surgery before they got to him, and he did go to prison (either Thai or US) if they would put him in a male or female prison?

[Randyman]

If he went full op, I bet post-op lover would bail him out

P.O.

RM